What So Big Deal About China
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i think we singaporean should stop looking down on china. afterall we are chinese. it the china top foreign policy to uphold one china policy. let forget about who wrong who fault during the internal war between communist and Koumingdang. in fact we singapore always follow what big player in the world are doing. it is also our govt foreign policy to always supporting the one china policy. when our DPM lee make visit to taiwan, it only natural that china make abit of hoohar. even G bush aides vist taiwan , china also make hoohar. in fact i think why DPM need to visit taiwan before his official run in to be PM of our country. he should consider china reaction. if he need to settle some issue in taiwan, he can ask his minister to go instead to lower the profile of the visit.
moreover, blame it on taiwan media, they stir up as if, singapore going to battle together with taiwan against china.
like it or not, we have to look up to china soon. only those woman in singapore from china are spoiling the image of chinese ppl. just like we look up to angmo in our country, because the good from western country are in singapore while the bad eggs from china are exported to singapore. -
sorry if i use simply english cos now i at work,,cant use good english(and my england not so powderful ) i admit..Originally posted by Blueray:I have lived in China for a few years and I never had any problems with security issues. Just what are u talking about? Your English is becoming more and more difficult to understand.... Where I stayed I get to watch CNN freely. One fine example: I visited Urumchi, provincial capital of Xinjiang years ago. I stayed in hotel and I remembered I watched a CNN broadcast of then Governer Patten's arrival in HongKong. the content of the broadcast was extremely anti-chinese but it was broadcast without interruption.
One simple question to u: if China is so bad and repressive like u said, why are there more and more Taiwanese emigrating to China? Taiwan is supposed to be a democracy. Why would they want to emigrate to a land where there are no freedom and human rights? Pls take some time to read this article to see what I am talking about:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A14284-2001Apr27?language=printer
for the taiwanese ,they are well known as'yao qian bu yao ming' even Argentina,Brazil and Africa also got taiwanese doing businese there. -
All the things I said about China is the truth. They are from my personal experiences in China. I can't help it if u don't believe me. However if u read my above post i said that taiwanese are emgrating to China like never before. Think carefully. As we all know, Taiwan is an established democracy and the Taiwanese are very vocal about politics and if that's the case, why would Taiwanese want to live in a place where there is no freedom and so much repression?Originally posted by LazerLordz:On one hand you may be right about CNN broadcasts in Urumqi..however, what do you make of the PRC trying to stem dissent on the mobile text messaging network?Sounds like a case of double standards practised by the little princes up in Beijing.China is naive in thinking it can control the information that reaches its people.There are groups out there who actively researcg ways and means to circumvent state proxies in order for the citizenry to have access to basic sites such as Google and blogsites.
CNN showed Governor Patten's handover ceremony eh?Why do you think they showed it unfettered?It's because they want the world to think that they have "matured" and big in front of the UK.Its a show, a very hollow one which they put on when they need FDI but turn around when they deal with their own populace.
I admit that china still needs to improve a lot but what I saw in China was very encouraging. -
okie..i do agree..if u say in this way..Originally posted by reyes:i think we singaporean should stop looking down on china. afterall we are chinese. it the china top foreign policy to uphold one china policy. let forget about who wrong who fault during the internal war between communist and Koumingdang. in fact we singapore always follow what big player in the world are doing. it is also our govt foreign policy to always supporting the one china policy. when our DPM lee make visit to taiwan, it only natural that china make abit of hoohar. even G bush aides vist taiwan , china also make hoohar. in fact i think why DPM need to visit taiwan before his official run in to be PM of our country. he should consider china reaction. if he need to settle some issue in taiwan, he can ask his minister to go instead to lower the profile of the visit.
moreover, blame it on taiwan media, they stir up as if, singapore going to battle together with taiwan against china.
like it or not, we have to look up to china soon. only those woman in singapore from china are spoiling the image of chinese ppl. just like we look up to angmo in our country, because the good from western country are in singapore while the bad eggs from china are exported to singapore.
compare to those pro china who live china for few year and think singaporean is begging a living from china.. -
You misinterpreted what I am trying to say. I never say that S'pore is begging china or anything. I am just trying to say that we can't shun China in today's world.Originally posted by Qkool:okie..i do agree..if u say in this way..
compare to those pro china who live china for few year and think singaporean is begging a living from china.. -
If they do improve, its good for everyone.China stands at a crossroad today.She can become a great nation, under the rule of law and a populace that is law-abiding and practises pride in whatever they do, be it commerce or international relations.Or they can become chest-thumpers.I hope the former wins in the end.Originally posted by Blueray:All the things I said about China is the truth. They are from my personal experiences in China. I can't help it if u don't believe me. However if u read my above post i said that taiwanese are emgrating to China like never before. Think carefully. As we all know, Taiwan is an established democracy and the Taiwanese are very vocal about politics and if that's the case, why would Taiwanese want to live in a place where there is no freedom and so much repression?
I admit that china still needs to improve a lot but what I saw in China was very encouraging. -
China stir hoo haa? you know what they are going to do now??Originally posted by reyes:i think we singaporean should stop looking down on china. afterall we are chinese. it the china top foreign policy to uphold one china policy. let forget about who wrong who fault during the internal war between communist and Koumingdang. in fact we singapore always follow what big player in the world are doing. it is also our govt foreign policy to always supporting the one china policy. when our DPM lee make visit to taiwan, it only natural that china make abit of hoohar. even G bush aides vist taiwan , china also make hoohar. in fact i think why DPM need to visit taiwan before his official run in to be PM of our country. he should consider china reaction. if he need to settle some issue in taiwan, he can ask his minister to go instead to lower the profile of the visit.
moreover, blame it on taiwan media, they stir up as if, singapore going to battle together with taiwan against china.
like it or not, we have to look up to china soon. only those woman in singapore from china are spoiling the image of chinese ppl. just like we look up to angmo in our country, because the good from western country are in singapore while the bad eggs from china are exported to singapore.
they are going to sell SHORT RANGE missiles to m'sia
and threaten singapore's security now.
SEE what is happening ? Chinese Chinese? they won't hesitate to use the missiles on Taiwanese and on singaporeans , by letting our potential adversaries use it..
LOL , if we lose some economic opportunities overseas never mind,cause wun affect much stuffs locally..
But if it threatens our national security it is certainly a cause for alarm...especially if the short range missiles which they are going to sell to m'sia is those which are pointing at taiwan..haiz
Who is petty now? lol...see for urself ba...
THIS is a major cause of of concern now!
This is definitely going to be very heat up ! IMAGINE missiles which they are pointing at taiwan are now going to be pointed at us..in the future.
Please lor chinese chinese...just think CN's civil wars so many chinese kill chinese u think they give a damn? LOL.
I believe those missiles are from those russian tech and if our potential adversaries fire it on us..there will not be any time to react or whatever..
unlike Taiwan who got AEGIS and ARROW and some time to react..we got none..and when the missile is fired...u will know that lives will be lost.
Must protest against the sales!
Cause its a new form of introduction of new weapons in SEA!
LoL anyway 7 trillion in debt is indeed very huge. But anyway they are prepared for a super scale conflict.
Anyway , i just wanna tell u all something , i studied history and cold war..
NATO and USA have a agreement in which 1 of their main duties is to prevent countries from being swallowed by communism.(as long as NATO exists)
They dared to intervene against Soviet union and China together..(previously
at afghanistan, at taiwan, at korea, at vietnam , and give out plenty of monetary aid..what makes you think that US won't intervene?
If US don't intervene, that will be the day whereby freedom dies..
Why? Cause pple in tW don't have the right to choose whether they wanna be with CHINA/STATUS QUO
PLEASE lor..if u say that USA is under local debt of 7 trillion
den lemme tell u something , about 5 years before WW II , they were also in debt and thats the Great Depression , in which their economy is experiencing
trouble and guess what saved the Economy ? WAR. if u want me to explain about it can.. i can go on for ages.
Anyway if china+russia and taiwan and jap and sg and blah blah blah
go challenge US + Nato , the latter will win. Why?
US believes in a policy of overwhelming , and im not following against the side of biased against who ever or whatever..
Anyway China is not really as tough as SU during the peak of the cold war..
cause Russia at that time already has conducted tons and tons of space launch and spy satellites..lol...and developed tit for tat counters for every plane made..like MIG-21,MIG-23,MIG-25,MIG-27,MIG-29,MIG-31,SU-27,SU-24,
SU-30,SU-33 and those T-60 , T-91 and blah blah ,HIND and don't forget Kiev and Typhoon class subs..i can go on for ages
China got some jets some J-6 sheng yang, F-7 and J-10
just look at the variety of planes which could be manufactured by SU..
Do you know how much resources has to be dedicated any how much production has to be achieved in order to get something called "RESULT"?
The famous RPG-7 and AK-47 is oso invented by them..
USA and SU that time is very very comparable in terms of military size..
if compare the time between 1st space manned craft and CN's 1st manned craft its about 40+ years..LOL
anyway CN is still using cold war technology..which is the decomissioned stuff, enuf said. ECONOMICALLY i admit they are like a roaring dragon ,within 10 to 20 years, NGF will appear and those aircraft like SU-30 and SU-33 will be obsolete..and btw there' isn't a aircraft to rival on F-22 and YF-35 , aiyah i just wanna know the results of a dogfight between J-10 and YF-35 and see the results..
Anyway You need NEXT Generation Craft to fight in a enviroment right?
Say that China's NGF is equivalent to the F-16 C/D , and that means to draw with the F-22 they must make NNGF to challenge.. and to Win they need NNNGF , Next next next generation fighter which will take many years
Still though 3 million cannot be underestimated , but the quality and morale of the troops must be there , ground forces should be reduced , cause no adversary will ever land in Chinese soil !! a very big risk , naval forces should quadruple in size and the if possible Europe should have more military contact with CN , the reason why pple rather choose MIG cause they have been tested in various wars.. and some conflicts =/ ...anyway overall MIGS vs US-made jets , i believe overall MIGs get downed more..wonder why? I rather take a battle proven's country jets to the test or French Rafale , thank you , at least i know about the specifications and the arnaments ..rather den a country whose jets are not really tested and technology based on a previous superpower =) -
I am actually living in Shanghai now and have never experienced problems too. Satellite dishes are everywhere, and I'm not even living in an expatriate compound (only an upper middle class one).Originally posted by Blueray:I have lived in China for a few years and I never had any problems with security issues. Just what are u talking about? Your English is becoming more and more difficult to understand.... Where I stayed I get to watch CNN freely. One fine example: I visited Urumchi, provincial capital of Xinjiang years ago. I stayed in hotel and I remembered I watched a CNN broadcast of then Governer Patten's arrival in HongKong. the content of the broadcast was extremely anti-chinese but it was broadcast without interruption. -
shen dun (god shield, literally) = Aegis. Aegis was the shield of Artemis, I believe. Anybody can correct me if I made an error?Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:shen dun warship? -
what i say is internet..(cnn.com , bbc.com and so on)of-cos they can't block the satellite...and tons of unpay and 'fei fa' install satellite dishes ...Originally posted by StMichael:I am actually living in Shanghai now and have never experienced problems too. Satellite dishes are everywhere, and I'm not even living in an expatriate compound (only an upper middle class one).
prove me wrong... -
Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:
Hmm...SSK, are you referring to the Aegis Missile Defence System that is available on cruisers like the Ticonderoga? Because if you do, I don't think you are entirely correctly...
[b]Aegis is operated with satellites , which explain the sibei super huge radar they got above thier ship's hull
the satellite den later scan the area...satellites can scan a huge area at once
once they detect heat from launch..they will alert Mr.Aegis..b]
The Aegis system is a phased array radar system, unlike our ordinary rotating radar system. The beams are directed by phase differences which can only be worked out by a sophisticated computer. The huge radar above the hull is probably another fire control radar? The phased array normally consists of 4 panels mounted in the radar tower.
The satellite link is available in almost any vessel with a good Command and Control System/Action Information System and a satellite antenna. Nothing to do with Aegis really. Aegis is powerful because the phased array radars can track multiple targets simultaneously, something that most fire control radars are limited by the speed of the servo-motor systems and the number of radars itself.
Of course, if there's another Aegis system that I have never heard of, consider myself as having spoken rubbish...and I apologise. -
oh so u were saying Aegis ar..
i wish singapore could have 1 of those..but too expensive , if sunk by submarine ...heart sibei gek sim..
Aegis needs response time..to deploy and to detect and receive info from satellite , hence the huge radar , i read in a magazine saying aegis can actively track down 100 targets , u can read up if u dun believe me..
Anyway if singapore deploys aegis...it will be dumb lol...unless singapore is kinda isolated away from potential adversaries like 2000km den prolly aegis and patriot makes sense.
opps i believe the super huge radar which they have on thier ship is for satellite uplink and simultaneous tracking of 100 targets leh...
cuz u see ar at home i got a book of ships..there's 1 ship which is built specially to have uplink with satellite in space.. and that radar size is very very huge! about 3 times the size of the radar on aegis
anyway donno if it is related anot..pple who travel on expressways see those radars which singtel to send signals thru satellite
The AEGIS weapon system is billed as the most capable surface launched missile system the Navy has ever put to sea. Its weapons can be trained on targets at a wide range of altitudes from wave top to directly overhead, and is capable of engaging anti-ship cruise missiles and manned aircraft flying in all speed ranges from subsonic to supersonic. The AEGIS system has been employed in all environmental conditions, having both all-weather capability and the abilitt to operate in chaff and jamming environments.
The surface Navy's AEGIS system provides area defense for the battle group as well as a clear air picture for more effective deployment of F-14 and F/A-18 aircraft. AEGIS enables fighter aircraft to concentrate more on the outer air battle while cruisers and destroyers assume a greater responsibility for battle group area defense. Technological advances in missile and computer battle management systems make it possible for AEGIS equipped ships to join carrier air assets in outer air defense, and the increased accuracy of AEGIS weapon systems results in minimizing the expenditure of assets.
The heart of the AEGIS systems is the AN/SPY-1, a multi-functional phased-array radar capable of automatic detection and tracking of targets. This high-powered (four megawatt) radar is able to perform search, track and missile guidance functions simultaneously with a capability of over 100 targets. The first Engineering Development Model (EDM-1) was installed in the test ship, USS Norton Sound (AVM 1) in 1973.
The system's computer- based command and decision element is the core of the AEGIS combat system. This interface makes the AEGIS combat system capable of simultaneous operation against a multi-mission threat: anti-air, anti-surface and anti-submarine warfare. [/img] -
Hmm...I believe you are mistaken. It was Israel. Which also explains our close ties to them. Singapore remembers her friends and stands by her allies.Originally posted by Qkool:we alway remember who help us to set our army when no one wanna to help ? IRAN -
haha thank you for pointing my mistake..i know already... just abit mix up with iran..just read too much Iran new before writing the post..heeheeOriginally posted by StMichael:Hmm...I believe you are mistaken. It was Israel. Which also explains our close ties to them. Singapore remembers her friends and stands by her allies. -
israel sent a batch of pple to help singapore out..
and train our army..thru training the instructors and den
so on and so on..
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/weapons/wep-aeg.html
it shows that aegis can engage 100 targets blah blah blah
i oso abit not really clear on the huge white stuff on aegis equipped ships
can anyone explain?
but 1 think is for sure..it fits inside the "Star Wars" system of engaging missiles -
rem the day 1999 when i in army..my CSM tell me about singapore navy is buliding a super ship with france..i still think he talking coc*k again...and what happen last month..own build one of the highest tech warship .
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i intro u a URL if u really like know more US weapon ..lot of posting abt USAF latest weapon discussion.. like YF22/F-35 also have.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:israel sent a batch of pple to help singapore out..
and train our army..thru training the instructors and den
so on and so on..
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/weapons/wep-aeg.html
it shows that aegis can engage 100 targets blah blah blah
i oso abit not really clear on the huge white stuff on aegis equipped ships
can anyone explain?
but 1 think is for sure..it fits inside the "Star Wars" system of engaging missiles
http://forums.military.com/1/OpenTopic?a=frm&s=78919038&f=986194012
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highest tech warship?? if US got involvement in making that warship den i think it might be stealthy..anyway when it comes to shipbuilding these 4 countries are necessary to be involved in the building in order to be stealthOriginally posted by Qkool:rem the day 1999 when i in army..my CSM tell me about singapore navy is buliding a super ship with france..i still think he talking coc*k again...and what happen last month..own build one of the highest tech warship .
France,UK , Singapore and USA ..anyway it is touted to be stealth
remember nothing is stealth until test..should test..
Eh remember must never over-estimate the "highest tech warship"!
cause in order to be stealth u need plastic composites
plastic composites is those black black stuff which u see on F-117..
F-117 plastic composites if touch by bare hands can cause cancer 1..
and when u use plastic composites vs steel...steel more likely to be detected..
but leh if plastic composites kana hit by missile u can say bye bye to ur crew and ur ship
cause plastic composites + metal really really low defense ..and somemore RSN always wanna go for speed so if kana smack by missile
plastic good oso 1 thing , reflect less "stuff" back to the radar.. -
i mean one of the highest tech..Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:highest tech warship?? if US got involvement in making that warship den i think it might be stealthy..anyway when it comes to shipbuilding these 4 countries are necessary to be involved in the building in order to be stealth
France,UK , Singapore and USA ..anyway it is touted to be stealth
remember nothing is stealth until test..should test..
at that time 1999 ,how can a green army boy know much about stealth..only know f-117(full stealth with heat stealth which is top secret) have only.. -
Oh yeah Shanghai... a nice place to work and Chiong. I hope u like it there.Originally posted by StMichael:I am actually living in Shanghai now and have never experienced problems too. Satellite dishes are everywhere, and I'm not even living in an expatriate compound (only an upper middle class one). -
my CSM say.. it good for only 1st missile shot,if dont kana..they can detect the heat of the missile and know where our ship..Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:highest tech warship?? if US got involvement in making that warship den i think it might be stealthy..anyway when it comes to shipbuilding these 4 countries are necessary to be involved in the building in order to be stealth
France,UK , Singapore and USA ..anyway it is touted to be stealth
remember nothing is stealth until test..should test..
Eh remember must never over-estimate the "highest tech warship"!
cause in order to be stealth u need plastic composites
plastic composites is those black black stuff which u see on F-117..
F-117 plastic composites if touch by bare hands can cause cancer 1..
and when u use plastic composites vs steel...steel more likely to be detected..
but leh if plastic composites kana hit by missile u can say bye bye to ur crew and ur ship
cause plastic composites + metal really really low defense ..and somemore RSN always wanna go for speed so if kana smack by missile -
Loose talk can kill ...
i think must edit ur post la..don't post whatever ur csm say leh
cause wadever ur csm post , i think i oredi know liao
wah look at this page..power!
http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/J-10_J-11_FC-1.htm
eh..i was stumped man..i thought F-22 is invincible..
wahhh...wonder if they are really good anot... -
sorry friend..i really hate to read and understand for info write in this format +somemore in the screen....Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Loose talk can kill ...
i think must edit ur post la..don't post whatever ur csm say leh
cause wadever ur csm post , i think i oredi know liao
wah look at this page..power!
http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/J-10_J-11_FC-1.htm
eh..i was stumped man..i thought F-22 is invincible..
just tell me what about..
F-22 actually consider old for me already.. -
wah so many chinese variants of Russian jets..Originally posted by Qkool:sorry friend..i really hate to read and understand for info write in this format +somemore in the screen....
just tell me what about..
F-22 actually consider old for me already..
kaoz..i compare the pictures of China's jets and Russia jets..if nobody told me it's built by China..i won't know which 1 it belongs to sia..
wah looks like i must correct my previous posts...
china's hardware is indeed high in quantity..
pretty impressive i must say...but leh the level of technology and research ...USD 50 billion and USD 360+ billion
anyway we won't know unless we get to test F-22 and those type of planes -
yalo...dont forget china like to steal and improve from Russian jet design..then they will alway following other.. althought i know very little about military(but interested)Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:wah so many chinese variants of Russian jets..
kaoz..i compare the pictures of China's jets and Russia jets..if nobody told me it's built by China..i won't know which 1 it belongs to sia..
wah looks like i must correct my previous posts...
china's hardware is indeed high in quantity..
pretty impressive i must say...but leh the level of technology and research ...USD 50 billion and USD 360+ billion
the fact is,they never test it on real war..
They still have too much to learn! see below.
http://www.sci.fi/~fta/aviat-6.htm