upset: cameraphone/police and republic??
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hello people! Im new here>>
as you know maybe all of us have handphones now. some with extra features like games and GPRS and WAP and Radio and Camera.
Anyway here is what happened: A stranger was taking photos of me and my sister in the public train oblivious to us as we were both sleeping. We only knew when some kind passengers woke us up and told us that the man was taking our photos and smiling.(in averu bad and pesk way) Terrified the kind passenger urged us to file a complaint to the police. But the police quite sternly accused us (me and my sister) of smiling to the stranger and that it is our fault that the man took our photos. I was very upset about this. And told us that taking photos is allowed. and that was about it. He said that this country is a republic and not a democratic and this is not the US.
I am disappointed. Many things were said.
I want to ask wether if somone took your photos and you knew about it , what would you feel about it? -
write in to the press, make them ask the police to reply
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u were sleeping yet the police accused u of smiling at the stranger ??Originally posted by meggz:hello people! Im new here>>
as you know maybe all of us have handphones now. some with extra features like games and GPRS and WAP and Radio and Camera.
Anyway here is what happened: A stranger was taking photos of me and my sister in the public train oblivious to us as we were both sleeping. We only knew when some kind passengers woke us up and told us that the man was taking our photos and smiling.(in averu bad and pesk way) Terrified the kind passenger urged us to file a complaint to the police. But the police quite sternly accused us (me and my sister) of smiling to the stranger and that it is our fault that the man took our photos. I was very upset about this. And told us that taking photos is allowed. and that was about it. He said that this country is a republic and not a democratic and this is not the US.
I am disappointed. Many things were said.
I want to ask wether if somone took your photos and you knew about it , what would you feel about it?
hmmmm, wonders where is the police post/station ?? -
okay, i supposed u should lodge a complaint against the police somehow for his poor attitude, but the story ends there.Originally posted by meggz:hello people! Im new here>>
as you know maybe all of us have handphones now. some with extra features like games and GPRS and WAP and Radio and Camera.
Anyway here is what happened: A stranger was taking photos of me and my sister in the public train oblivious to us as we were both sleeping. We only knew when some kind passengers woke us up and told us that the man was taking our photos and smiling.(in averu bad and pesk way) Terrified the kind passenger urged us to file a complaint to the police. But the police quite sternly accused us (me and my sister) of smiling to the stranger and that it is our fault that the man took our photos. I was very upset about this. And told us that taking photos is allowed. and that was about it. He said that this country is a republic and not a democratic and this is not the US.
I am disappointed. Many things were said.
I want to ask wether if somone took your photos and you knew about it , what would you feel about it?
the point is, under the law, it is okay to take pics in public places of people but they should not be used against the person, or pics like upskirts. however, private properties have their own rules, like in the person's house.
even if us, i think that is not illegal, nothing much to do with republic or democracy but thats what the law says. its what the person do with the pic and under what circumstances the pics are taken.
if it was me, i know i can't do anything about it until i see my pic being posted on the internet, edited with large boobs or wadever crap. den i can seek a civil case, erm.. im no lawyer so, that should be the case. -
i thought we all knew our police would reply like that by now?Originally posted by meggz:hello people! Im new here>>
as you know maybe all of us have handphones now. some with extra features like games and GPRS and WAP and Radio and Camera.
Anyway here is what happened: A stranger was taking photos of me and my sister in the public train oblivious to us as we were both sleeping. We only knew when some kind passengers woke us up and told us that the man was taking our photos and smiling.(in averu bad and pesk way) Terrified the kind passenger urged us to file a complaint to the police. But the police quite sternly accused us (me and my sister) of smiling to the stranger and that it is our fault that the man took our photos. I was very upset about this. And told us that taking photos is allowed. and that was about it. He said that this country is a republic and not a democratic and this is not the US.
I am disappointed. Many things were said.
I want to ask wether if somone took your photos and you knew about it , what would you feel about it?
they don't really care if no one dies -
Maybe it is Evil Clown or Wes Br0wn
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Originally posted by greengoblin:Maybe it is Evil Clown or Wes Br0wn
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the mrt station is in Bishan. actually I am not that upset about the picture taking he took 4 photos none of which is obsene or anything llike that .
I am upset the way the police handled us. you see im no singaporean here. and he said something like "you are a PR and he is a PR" now what is that supposed to mean??
I know it is not an offence but still, why wont the police give us some sympathy?? Just kindly tell us that it is not a crimw but it is not right. But i cant do anything about it.
BTW- he lied to my parents. saying the guy only took 2 photos while he took 4!! -
hhmm, i dont think so. I may get in much trouble.Originally posted by sgboy2004:write in to the press, make them ask the police to reply
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The general rule seems to be this : If MRT has displayed a signboard - no picture taking, there will be a prohibition based on contract.
Check with MRT about this. If confirmed then the police may be wrong. Just 2 cents not a lawyer. -
dun worry..u wont get into any trouble if wat u say abt the cop is true..just write in to to the press..Originally posted by meggz:hhmm, i dont think so. I may get in much trouble. -
Don't think there is a law for this since this is a very new situation and the law makers tends to be slower on this. Even if there is, the police officer may not know it yet (Yes, not all police officer knows the law well themselves). Things you can do is possibly make a big fuss out of this (newspaper, minister etc..) or/and maybe complain to Police noting down the person who gave you that reply.
What you experience might become a real big problem in the future when the mobile phone gets better and better. Countries like Japan had law which requires that all photo-taking mobile phone to make a sound when a photo is being taken so that no one is caught unaware. Even that does not cover what you highlighted here. -
I think the police officer is unprofesional in handling the matter. You should write in to complain.Originally posted by meggz:the mrt station is in Bishan. actually I am not that upset about the picture taking he took 4 photos none of which is obsene or anything llike that .
I am upset the way the police handled us. you see im no singaporean here. and he said something like "you are a PR and he is a PR" now what is that supposed to mean??
I know it is not an offence but still, why wont the police give us some sympathy?? Just kindly tell us that it is not a crimw but it is not right. But i cant do anything about it.
BTW- he lied to my parents. saying the guy only took 2 photos while he took 4!!
Next time this happens to you exert piblic pressure on the offender by shouting :" WHY ARE YOU TAKING PICTURES OF US WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION" to embaress him.
A person who takes picture of people in public in a persistent manner such that he is an annoyance to everybody around could probably be charged for being a public nuisance.
This is not a problem that is unique to SG. In US they are called papparizis.
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yes. maybe ill do that.
thanks for the advice.
The police said it is allowed. and yes it is called paparazzis. I was just upset about the way the police handled it. Like we were making a big deal out of it. as if it is nothing.
And yes it looks like it is a public nuisance as people were very shocked. Maybe I should write in to the press. -
People have already write in before regarding this. I have also start a thread regarding this problem.
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=85538
I guess the best method to deal will a public nuisance is public pressure. -
come to think about it, isn't this more like bar material ?
not speaker's corner type of thread? -
I feel that responsibility is on you to confront the person and ask him loudly in front of everyone. This way, you can know the reason and there are witnesses (ie. the nice person that woke you up). If the person attacks you in any form, verbal (vulgarities) or physically (shoving you aside), it has become a police case.
When you went to the police, it was a private case, I'm not too sure, but I think it is infrindgement of privacy and it is a civil case. The police can't even be your witness even if you deicide to sue. I'm not a lawyer, so you might want to check up on my this point.
The police handled it poorly, you could have asked to speak to the duty officer (IO) as you feel that your quiries are not being addressed. I believe that you should have asked him to take your statement, just file a report, just in case your pciture is used for generating cash or for illegal purposes. This way, no one can say you gave a verbal agreement. -
write in to complain??? u think it would change anything???Originally posted by tspg:I think the police officer is unprofesional in handling the matter. You should write in to complain.
i was faced with a reckless driver who almost knocked me down with his sports car then he tried to fight with me but i rode to the nearest NPP: the ass hole reckless driver not only did not apologize but scold all kinds of vulgarities & wantedd to fight with me at the NPP SO WHAT DID THE POLICE DO??????
N-O-T-H-I-N-G!!! he only said if u leave the NPP anything happen is your problem...
i think this bad attitude stated here is understated!!
this not the only inccident tat bad attitude ... i know of at least 2 friends who were STAB (bleeding & injured) but the police don;t even care to investigated who the criminals are ....
here safe??? i think go to iraq better -
haha.. cos the pple there no hp camera to use yet mahOriginally posted by mayham321:here safe??? i think go to iraq better -
did they like get stabbed in some gang fight or some other thing for which they were at least partly responsible?? i think the police, being human, will kinda do less about it if they feel that the person in trouble brought the trouble upon himself/herself.Originally posted by mayham321:write in to complain??? u think it would change anything???
i was faced with a reckless driver who almost knocked me down with his sports car then he tried to fight with me but i rode to the nearest NPP: the ass hole reckless driver not only did not apologize but scold all kinds of vulgarities & wantedd to fight with me at the NPP SO WHAT DID THE POLICE DO??????
N-O-T-H-I-N-G!!! he only said if u leave the NPP anything happen is your problem...
i think this bad attitude stated here is understated!!
this not the only inccident tat bad attitude ... i know of at least 2 friends who were STAB (bleeding & injured) but the police don;t even care to investigated who the criminals are ....
here safe??? i think go to iraq better
not accusing ur frens but just curious about the context...
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Go Iraq better. Got problem dun need to go police. Take out your AK and settle on the spot.Originally posted by sgboy2004:haha.. cos the pple there no hp camera to use yet mah -
haha.. right on!Originally posted by tspg:Go Iraq better. Got problem dun need to go police. Take out your AK and settle on the spot.
i decided not to write to the media. thank you for all the advice. I was upset that time and maybe I just got a lousy police officer...
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I belive you should pursue this with the police stating you dont think your case has not been handled adequately. If not, they will continue doing this wrong conduct. I belive that police that like do not deserve to be one and serve his country.
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Some police officers are just NSF, they care nothing about the job. I know it does not give them the right to have poor attitudes... Perhaps you can ask for a higher ranking officer to handle your case or queries?
I usually accept a lowest rank of SGT to handle my case because I feel they can handle the public better. If I'm not satisfied, I might ask for the duty officer. They are more professional. -
well...not all NSFs are like wat u say loh....SGT also got NSFs one...some regulars are very good but due to qualifications and some other stuff, they are stuck at corporal for quite some years...rank is not everything lah....u could have a 1 year old SC/SGT...or a 5 year old regular Corporal...stress once again dat rank is not the main concern, main concern is the officer's ability to handle complainants. if u are not satisfied with the officer handling your case, u can ask the 2nd officer for verification or ask to talk with the Team Leader....if TL also not big rank enuth, try the OO or CO, an ASP should be high rank enough liao bah...Originally posted by SilverPal:Some police officers are just NSF, they care nothing about the job. I know it does not give them the right to have poor attitudes... Perhaps you can ask for a higher ranking officer to handle your case or queries?
I usually accept a lowest rank of SGT to handle my case because I feel they can handle the public better. If I'm not satisfied, I might ask for the duty officer. They are more professional.