Die lah...new PM and DPMs all cold blooded human being
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Maybe Sammyboy and his team will be more to your liking.Originally posted by Gazelle:LHL (PM and Minister of Finance)
He is likely to be the one who decide when to increase your tax, levy and etc..., and continue the PAP tradition of Pay And Pay
Prof Jayakumar (DPM, Minister of Law)
He will dictate what is right and what is wrong and PAP is always right
WKS (DPM, Minister of Home Affair)
Which go hand in hand with Jayakumar, and will issue you all the summons or put your behind bars.
I feel that this new cabinet is too rigid for my liking.
Have a free to air X-rated channel.
Sell playboy at all newstands.
Thats more liberal for you rite ?
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Maybe to you being liberal is just about sex and pornography, which is the total opposite of what I think. In my opinion, Singapore is already very liberal about sex, just that you dont see it in the open.Originally posted by tspg:Maybe Sammyboy and his team will be more to your liking.
Have a free to air X-rated channel.
Sell playboy at all newstands.
Thats more liberal for you rite ?
What I wish for is that this new government will listen to the people and I dont see it in this team -
oh well....if their reign turns out bad.....than u cannot blame singaporeans from leaving .... than we might end up like indonesia...go thru a period in time whereby our leaders act like dictators.... sometimes i think that the way we were educated just does not allow us to be able to analyse our condition well enuff to consider rebelling against the system....we r 2 comfortable with wat we have....too comfy being spoon feed.... but e truth is..... that's preventing from growing mentally n become Creative or entreprenuers like e government want us to be.....
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There are many people here who feel that there shortcomings in the current govt. Its one thing to jump onto the bandwagon and start off a round of senseless govt bashing to vent their frustration. Its another thing if ppl raise specific issues and constructive solutions to solve present problems.
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These 3 ministers have been serving PAP for the past 20 years, and I dont think they are any new to Singaporeans who have been reading the newspaper and listen to their TKSS session in the parliment.Originally posted by tspg:There are many people here who feel that there shortcomings in the current govt. Its one thing to jump onto the bandwagon and start off a round of senseless govt bashing to vent their frustration. Its another thing if ppl raise specific issues and constructive solutions to solve present problems.
In my opinion, I think they are extremely capable people, but I just feel that none of the 3 have got the human touch and carisma like GCT and Tony Tan, and like is say before, one-sided.
Lets get ready to see an era of IRON FIST!!
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duh..im starting to feel that u dun really read much right..Originally posted by Gazelle:LHL (PM and Minister of Finance)
He is likely to be the one who decide when to increase your tax, levy and etc..., and continue the PAP tradition of Pay And Pay
Prof Jayakumar (DPM, Minister of Law)
He will dictate what is right and what is wrong and PAP is always right
WKS (DPM, Minister of Home Affair)
Which go hand in hand with Jayakumar, and will issue you all the summons or put your behind bars.
I feel that this new cabinet is too rigid for my liking.
read the above post u wrote...all the thing they do...all that are their responsible right..damn obvious right...
the thing abt summons n putting behind bars..they will do that unless u commit a crime right..this is still very obvious..
oh wait..let me guess if u were WKS..u leave up all double yellow line..let people park every where..let the rapist run amok..
n lastly...u cant do crap if u dun like the new cabinet..if i were u i stop whining like a ger n get on with my life n vote the opposition at the next election if u like... -
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This aint no whining, this is just expressing my view about the new cabinet. I am sure you can sing praises about the PM and DPM if you like, no one is stoping you. I got this feel that you might be offended by me for highlighting Jayakumar cause he is an indian. Sorry about that NathanOriginally posted by NathanG5:duh..im starting to feel that u dun really read much right..
read the above post u wrote...all the thing they do...all that are their responsible right..damn obvious right...
the thing abt summons n putting behind bars..they will do that unless u commit a crime right..this is still very obvious..
oh wait..let me guess if u were WKS..u leave up all double yellow line..let people park every where..let the rapist run amok..
n lastly...u cant do crap if u dun like the new cabinet..if i were u i stop whining like a ger n get on with my life n vote the opposition at the next election if u like...
voting? I am unfortunate that i dont have the chance cause PAP have reshuffle the zone of GRC and it has always been walk over sinces. And I will not vote of opposition just for the sake of it. I read, just for you info.
I did not condem that role of WKS, just feel that the top 3 men's character is too rigid to promote a liberal singapore. I may be wrong, but thats my view. -
Free speech—Singapore-style
By Carol Divjak
20 June 2000
Use this version to print
By August 2000 Singapore is to have a speakers' corner! Is this a chance for Singaporeans to experience free speech? It hardly seems likely, given that the city-state has been ruled for the last 40 years by a single party using police state methods to quash political opposition.
The project is intended to give the impression that democratic rights are being granted, if ever so gradually, by a benign government that has everyone's interests at heart.
The issue provoked a “lively and light hearted” debate in Parliament according to the Straits Times of April 26. Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng told the Opposition: “Actually we don't think it's a good idea but if that's what is wanted and if we can manage the risk, we will provide for it. We'll let you try it out.”
The venue will be Hong Lim Park, from 7am to 7pm daily. Speakers must register at the Kreta Ayer Police Post, show ID and bring their own soapbox. No licence will be required under the Public Entertainment Act and, according to Wong Kan Seng, no subject will be taboo—apart from religion and topics that will incite racial hatred. Orators will be bound, however, by the existing internal security and libel laws.
The ruling Peoples Action Party regularly uses the defamation laws to bankrupt those who dare to criticize the government. And the Internal Security Act has been used to detain, without trial, anyone seen as a threat to the government. In some cases offenders have been jailed for years. This has created a climate of fear and submission.
Joshua Jeyaretnam, one of only three opposition MPs, commented: “People get all sorts of false ideas about liberalisation in Singapore. I'm sorry—it's a mirage.” Keeping speakers bound by the existing limits would make the free speech venue a “contradiction in terms”.
The very fact that speakers must register with the police will be sufficient to deter any critical debate, and reinforce the claim that Singaporeans have nothing to complain about.
When asked if speakers will be recorded or videotaped, the Home Affairs Minister said people should not be surprised if curious onlookers, research students or journalists turned up with recorders. Given the history of Singapore most people would rightly suspect that the internal security police will also be keen recorders of the proceedings.
The government controls and manipulates political expression in every sphere. There is no right to strike or protest. Films, TV and pop music are heavily censored. Many books and magazines are banned, and home satellite TV antennae are illegal. The tolerated news media is totally subservient to the government, which issues open threats of recriminations if the official line is not followed.
The establishment of a speakers' corner is a cynical exercise for letting off steam over the increasingly difficult lives of middle class and working class people. Singapore has not gone unscathed in the wake of the Asian economic breakdown. Mass retrenchments and wage cuts have been coupled with an extremely high cost of living. A fiercely competitive education system puts enormous pressures on students and families.
Such a safety valve has been discussed in official circles for more than a year following the arrest of Singapore Democratic Party secretary general Chee Soon Juan, who was jailed twice last year for speaking in public without a permit and then refusing to pay the fine.
In front of crowds of up to 600, his speeches included reading quotes from the Singapore Constitution guaranteeing free speech. His colleague Wong Hong Toy faced fines or jail for assisting Chee by adjusting a microphone and speaker. They were charged under the Public Entertainment Act, which has now been relaxed for the purposes of the Speakers' Corner.
Chee's fate provoked considerable unfavourable comment in the Western media, as well as disquiet among business and professional people in Singapore. Like others in the pro-democracy movement throughout the Asian region, Chee is attempting to replace an autocratic government with one less subject to cronyism and more accountable to the demands of international capital.
The Singapore government, sensitive to developments such as the fall of Suharto in neighbouring Indonesia, and aware of seething resentment over the lack of democratic rights, is being forced to make some cosmetic changes—hence Speakers' Corner. -
I'm happy with the government and what it has done for us.
Although there are blemishes here and there, I'm happy because I have a safe place to live in, a roof over my head, clean water supply, freedom of movement amongst other things.
Though the government sometimes makes decisions that disturb the people, I believe it does start off with good intentions.
It's not easy to run a country. It IS like managing a company, except it's alot more complicated, having to touch on very sensitive issues and ensure that all the sides are well-taken care of.
I don't blame anyone for complaining, because I think it's only a human nature to complain. But I hope it really stops there, at plain complaining. Otherwise, you can complain and really dislike the way the government does things, but make sure you take a pro-active approach dealing with it.
There is no total freedom in this world. You can steer a ship in an ocean and go whereever you want, or you can fly a spaceship and go to the ends of the universe, but can you really get out of the universe, or row your boat away from the Earth? -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
I assume the person is an ang mor from another country. How well would she know the SG ? Does she live here ? Does she really know how Singaporeans feel ?
[b]Free speech—Singapore-style
By Carol Divjak
20 June 2000
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And note the date 20 June 2000. Now is August 2004. A lot have change since then.
If you want say something, speak your mind. Its really lame to post an article by an ang mor to support your view points. -
Did it change?Originally posted by tspg:I assume the person is an ang mor from another country. How well would she know the SG ? Does she live here ? Does she really know how Singaporeans feel ?
And note the date 20 June 2000. Now is August 2004. A lot have change since then.
If you want say something, speak your mind. Its really lame to post an article by an ang mor to support your view points.
If I can recall correctly, it was last year that police has arrested those peaceful protesters who were protesting outside US embassy for invading Iraq.
If I can recall correctly just 2 years ago, Dr Chee was arrested by police for giving speech at outside Istana.
If Singapore government wanna encourage the new generation of people to step into Singapore politics, I think they should allow more room for expression. -
oh cmon..u are obviously whining..dun deny it..when u whine like a ger..act like one..Originally posted by Gazelle:This aint no whining, this is just expressing my view about the new cabinet. I am sure you can sing praises about the PM and DPM if you like, no one is stoping you. I got this feel that you might be offended by me for highlighting Jayakumar cause he is an indian. Sorry about that Nathan
voting? I am unfortunate that i dont have the chance cause PAP have reshuffle the zone of GRC and it has always been walk over sinces. And I will not vote of opposition just for the sake of it. I read, just for you info.
I did not condem that role of WKS, just feel that the top 3 men's character is too rigid to promote a liberal singapore. I may be wrong, but thats my view.
singing praises abt them? i much prefer to sing them praise if they can do good to the country in th future..so i wont be like u to so fast whine n condemn..i'ii take my time sit back n relax..
Nathan=indian name?
this prove to all that u dont read much..its a english name...so silly of u
btw..u are starting to sound like a racist...is there anything wrong with being an indian?
u read? aiyo stop bluffing yourself..u even tot my name a indian name...
so silly...
of cos i respect your view...n its also my view that your view is abit dumb..
y? u know them personally as a friend? u worst u even bring prison n summons into the picture..issuing summons n sending criminals to jail is rigid? -
Which ministry control freedom of speech in Singapore?Originally posted by NathanG5:oh cmon..u are obviously whining..dun deny it..when u whine like a ger..act like one..
singing praises abt them? i much prefer to sing them praise if they can do good to the country in th future..so i wont be like u to so fast whine n condemn..i'ii take my time sit back n relax..
Nathan=indian name?
this prove to all that u dont read much..its a english name...so silly of u
u read? aiyo stop bluffing yourself..u even tot my name a indian name...
so silly...
of cos i respect your view...n its also my view that your view is abit dumb..
y? u know them personally as a friend? u worst u even bring prison n summons into the picture..issuing summons n sending criminals to jail is rigid? -
Although the article is written by an ang moh, but the ang mo may live here for a long time. Anyway, i agreed on the part where the speakers' corner setup. The speakers' corner is built where only a few people live there or none and its quite inaccessible. Since the government wanted to build a speakers' corner, why not build it at Orchard Road?? The issue has been discussed last time during ch 8 show "qian xian zhui zhong"..
Obviously the government worry that will encourage more pple to speak up (tok sumthing bad bout goverment to be specific) and more pple will listen and one of the speakers' view may start to influence the listeners and anti-government feelings will slowly arised.
Building a speakers' corner at "fang ling gong yuan" will shut pples' mouth bout government not allowing pple having freedom of speech and of coz no need to worry too much coz noone will actually go there.
Government's meaning of freedom of speech means we can tok watever we want, can be praising PAP, say how it will benefit us by raising GST etc.., as long anything not anti-government u are all right.
The idea of setting the speakers' corner in my opinion is lame. Did any minister ever went to listen to the speakers?
Or maybe all of us are too happy with our government that we don't need to go speakers' corner to voice out anything? -
I managed to catch the BBC's John Simpson coverage on Singapore speakers corner and it was really funny. They were showing a few ah peh taking their afternoon nap under the shade, and was asking WHO? really listen to the people here? cause mostly are China Town ah peh hanging out there playing chess.Originally posted by sans-culotte:Although the article is written by an ang moh, but the ang mo may live here for a long time. Anyway, i agreed on the part where the speakers' corner setup. The speakers' corner is built where only a few people live there or none and its quite inaccessible. Since the government wanted to build a speakers' corner, why not build it at Orchard Road?? The issue has been discussed last time during ch 8 show "qian xian zhui zhong"..
Obviously the government worry that will encourage more pple to speak up (tok sumthing bad bout goverment to be specific) and more pple will listen and one of the speakers' view may start to influence the listeners and anti-government feelings will slowly arised.
Building a speakers' corner at "fang ling gong yuan" will shut pples' mouth bout government not allowing pple having freedom of speech and of coz no need to worry too much coz noone will actually go there.
Government's meaning of freedom of speech means we can tok watever we want, can be praising PAP, say how it will benefit us by raising GST etc.., as long anything not anti-government u are all right.
The idea of setting the speakers' corner in my opinion is lame. Did any minister ever went to listen to the speakers? -
so its abt freedom of speech..hit on the issue then..y beat round the bush?Originally posted by Gazelle:Which ministry control freedom of speech in Singapore?
if u start this topic on freedom ofspeech..i might even agree with u..
but for me i prefer to hit on the issue "High Cost Of Living"..not toking abt cigerettes, alcohol or able to buy a Lamboghini..but daily stuff we use n do..Busfare, MRT fare, daily product n blah blah blah..so it mainly hit out on GST..i dun want Singapore to be another Japan.. -
Actually i would really like to know exactly whats the government's definition of "freedom of speech''.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/country_profiles/1143240.stm
Singapore is south-east Asia's hi-tech city-state which is famed for its obsession with cleanliness, the conservatism of its leaders and its rules covering activities from chewing gum to bungee-jumping.
The country comprises the main island - linked by causeways to the southern tip of Malaysia - and around 50 smaller islands.
Once a colonial outpost, Singapore has developed into one of the world's most prosperous places - with glittering skyscrapers and a thriving port.
OVERVIEW
The vast majority of the island's population lives in public-housing tower blocks.
The citizens enjoy one of the world's highest standards of living, but also a system of punishments for acts such as busking without a licence or not flushing a public lavatory.
Government-led initiatives encourage Singaporeans to have more babies, be more courteous to each other, and "Speak Good English".
Chinese make up more than 75% of the community, along with Malays and Indians. Singapore also has a large number of foreign workers.
Although a multiparty nation, the People's Action Party (PAP) has been the dominant political force since independence.
Singapore is often referred to a one of Asia's "economic tigers", although it slipped into recession after the 1998 Asian markets crisis.
The country was referred to - less kindly - by the writer William Gibson as "Disneyland with the death penalty". -
My definition is 'You are allow to talk about anything, just make sure you are only talking to yourself'Originally posted by sans-culotte:Actually i would really like to know exactly whats the government's definition of "freedom of speech''. -
Will I be right to say that Singaporeans aren't interested in listening to free speech enough to travel to Hong Lim Square?
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Originally posted by Gazelle:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/country_profiles/1143240.stm
Singapore is south-east Asia's hi-tech city-state which is famed for its obsession with cleanliness, the conservatism of its leaders and its rules covering activities from chewing gum to bungee-jumping.
[b]Chewing gum banning is no choice...the cleanliness problem caused is no joke.
Bungee-jumping..need further detail on this...
The country comprises the main island - linked by causeways to the southern tip of Malaysia - and around 50 smaller islands.
Once a colonial outpost, Singapore has developed into one of the world's most prosperous places - with glittering skyscrapers and a thriving port.
OVERVIEW
The vast majority of the island's population lives in public-housing tower blocks.
The citizens enjoy one of the world's highest standards of living, but also a system of punishments for acts such as busking without a licence or not flushing a public lavatory.
[color=red]Not flushing public toilets will not get fined....[/color]
Government-led initiatives encourage Singaporeans to have more babies, be more courteous to each other, and "Speak Good English".
This issue is our main problem now and also the major factor in future growth of Singapore. This going to be hard on how government going to encourage us to have more babies. This issue is involved in other factors. Cost of living, education etc..
Nothing wrong about courtecy campaign..Its a must if we need to leave a good impression to other people.
Speak Good English--- Hmm, this will be hard to change...
Chinese make up more than 75% of the community, along with Malays and Indians. Singapore also has a large number of foreign workers.
Although a multiparty nation, the People's Action Party (PAP) has been the dominant political force since independence.
Totally true..
Singapore is often referred to a one of Asia's "economic tigers", although it slipped into recession after the 1998 Asian markets crisis.
true
The country was referred to - less kindly - by the writer William Gibson as "Disneyland with the death penalty".
Our law need to be harsh...else you will not be in sgforums reading posts without worry your safety.
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Originally posted by Gazelle:
WTF after reading this , i felt like i've been oppressed my whole life and i didn't even know it!?! sounds like the westerners think that we're all living in a prison?
[b]Free speech—Singapore-style
By Carol Divjak
20 June 2000
Such a safety valve has been discussed in official circles for more than a year following the arrest of Singapore Democratic Party secretary general Chee Soon Juan, who was jailed twice last year for speaking in public without a permit and then refusing to pay the fine.
In front of crowds of up to 600, his speeches included reading quotes from the Singapore Constitution guaranteeing free speech. His colleague Wong Hong Toy faced fines or jail for assisting Chee by adjusting a microphone and speaker. They were charged under the Public Entertainment Act, which has now been relaxed for the purposes of the Speakers' Corner.
Chee's fate provoked considerable unfavourable comment in the Western media, as well as disquiet among business and professional people in Singapore. Like others in the pro-democracy movement throughout the Asian region, Chee is attempting to replace an autocratic government with one less subject to cronyism and more accountable to the demands of international capital.
The Singapore government, sensitive to developments such as the fall of Suharto in neighbouring Indonesia, and aware of seething resentment over the lack of democratic rights, is being forced to make some cosmetic changes—hence Speakers' Corner.
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and well what do you know? Chee's a hero now in the eyes of the western media ?
and about the fining for not flushing toliets?
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Who do you suggest as an alternative before you decide they were bad choices?
In the first place, did we have alternatives? -
As least put some candidates of your choice for a more lenient government and state their credentials and achievements and contrast the benefits of another candidate. I'm tired of listening to problems. We can see them.
Solutions, gentlemen! Solutions! Don't be Dr. Chee Soon Juan and rave madly. Speak with necessary evidence and provide enough credits and solutions to solve our daily situations.
You know what my boss used to tell me at the meeting?
"So you identified the problem, have you got a solution?"
You know why PAP is still supported by Singaporeans? Because A=Action. They aim to achieve. Even if they achieve little.
I admit I'm not capable of leading a country, but I'm at least smart enough to see that there's no point in electing a mad man raving at the Government's shortcomings compared to someone doing the job badly. It is better having a job done, than no job done.