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Can we trust the Singapore Press Holdings for printing this line of opinion ?Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:local papers have mentioned that due to opening up of the local banking scene
we now have to pay charges cos our banks are good banks
at least that was the message i think i've gotten from the straits times
The Chairman of the Singapore Press Holding was a former PAP stalwart, also a PAP Central Committee Member, also a Finance Minister and for a short time as a Minister in the National Development Board and Defense; and was a DPM, and acting President.
Will there be an independent Newspaper Group that can have an alternative and INDEPENDENT view printed, where news reporters not only spy and tell on the Citizens but also the Government as well ? -
It's amazing how everything is a conspiracy to u. Do u think there's a conspiracy when your newspaper get stolen in the morning?Originally posted by Atobe:Can we trust the Singapore Press Holdings for printing this line of opinion ?
The Chairman of the Singapore Press Holding was a former PAP stalwart, also a PAP Central Committee Member, also a Finance Minister and for a short time as a Minister in the National Development Board and Defense; and was a DPM, and acting President.
Will there be an independent Newspaper Group that can have an alternative and INDEPENDENT view printed, where news reporters not only spy and tell on the Citizens but also the Government as well ?
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The media has the responsibilities to present accurate and timely information to the public. This includes the explanation as to the stand taken by the government on certain policies.Originally posted by Atobe:Can we trust the Singapore Press Holdings for printing this line of opinion ?
The Chairman of the Singapore Press Holding was a former PAP stalwart, also a PAP Central Committee Member, also a Finance Minister and for a short time as a Minister in the National Development Board and Defense; and was a DPM, and acting President.
Will there be an independent Newspaper Group that can have an alternative and INDEPENDENT view printed, where news reporters not only spy and tell on the Citizens but also the Government as well ?
Letters from the public who has raised concern and opposition to certain policies have been published before. The articles written by ex-civil servant Ngiam were not exactly pro-govt either. The opposition wards decision not to raise S & C charges was also reported in the papers.
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ahem ahem.Originally posted by cooleo:Think before i post indeed. Well, it seems u ain't thinking much when u post either. Firstly, do u know what is banking legal reserve ratio? By decreasing this legal reserve ratio, banks have more freedom to lend money, which is considered as an example of liberalising the banking sector and i dun see how the FTA is related to this.
As for American banks being better than local banks, do we have to be ashamed? In terms of size, we are of vast difference and it is stupid to compare apples with durians. The least u can do is pick an Asian bank and pit it against local ones.
Before u shoot, try to process what u are going to say thru your brain first.
Legal reserve ratio and liberalisation is a bit different. The reserve ratio and interest rates are fiscal tools use by the govt to stimulate the economy in times of a recession and to rein in inflation when necessary. It applys across the board, not just Singapore banks.
The liberalisation of the banking sector in Singapore refers to the lifting of curbs on foreign banks which has given the local banks an advantage. Under the Banking Act, the local retail banking sector is mostly dominated by local banks because of the minimun deposit requirements and restriction on number of branches or ATMs as well as other restrictions.
We shd compare our banks with global players because they are the ones that we will be completing against in future. -
Is it so amazing when the a PAP stalwart is planted into the ONLY Newspaper Group in Singapore ?Originally posted by cooleo:It's amazing how everything is a conspiracy to u. Do u think there's a conspiracy when your newspaper get stolen in the morning?
If someone steals my morning paper, surely it must be a conspiracy on the part of someone to deny me the opportunity to be a skeptic ? -
its not his fault that you take things for granted and do not think critically.Originally posted by cooleo:It's amazing how everything is a conspiracy to u. Do u think there's a conspiracy when your newspaper get stolen in the morning?
truth be told, it is not a good thing to have the ruling party have its paws everywhere...
u wanna talk about "opening up" now? but open up to what? its like giving u a ballot paper with 2 lightning bolts on it... one red and one blue... u are free to choose the one u like...
i love my country. and i hate the way the ruling party acts as if it owns the place and treats the citizens like idiots. -
By saying so you are insulting every editor and journalist in the SPH group.Originally posted by Atobe:Is it so amazing when the a PAP stalwart is planted into the ONLY Newspaper Group in Singapore ?
If someone steals my morning paper, surely it must be a conspiracy on the part of someone to deny me the opportunity to be a skeptic ?
Are you saying that they are unable to write articles in an objective and unbiased manner ? Are you saying that they are the mouthpeiece of the govt ? -
Do I need to insult every editor and journalist in the SPH Group ?Originally posted by tspg:By saying so you are insulting every editor and journalist in the SPH group.
Are you saying that they are unable to write articles in an objective and unbiased manner ? Are you saying that they are the mouthpeiece of the govt ?
Those who are frustrated and have left SPH Group will probably differ from your position.
They have tried to be honest and defend their right to be editors and journalists with an independent and critical mind, but have been threatened with the Internal Security Act and other Legislations.
Those who remained had decided to look after their very well filled rice bowl, and prefer not to question the status quo that has existed since LKY came into power and made sure that there is no longer any independent Press that can challenge the Government's position on any issue.
Surely, you would have known this trademark of LKY after reading his memoirs, and autobiographies written by local and foreign authors ? -
You just did and you have done so again.Originally posted by Atobe:Do I need to insult every editor and journalist in the SPH Group ?
Those who are frustrated and have left SPH Group will probably differ from your position.
They have tried to be honest and defend their right to be editors and journalists with an independent and critical mind, but have been threatened with the Internal Security Act and other Legislations.
Those who remained had decided to look after their very well filled rice bowl, and prefer not to question the status quo that has existed since LKY came into power and made sure that there is no longer any independent Press that can challenge the Government's position on any issue.
Surely, you would have known this trademark of LKY after reading his memoirs, and autobiographies written by local and foreign authors ? -
Well, if you insist, then they deserved it - for whatever it is worth.Originally posted by tspg:You just did and you have done so again. -
i would venture to suggest that u are quite correct in your second point... SPH journalists are not very good journalists and SPH is a very narrow and rigid gov't mouth-piece.Originally posted by tspg:By saying so you are insulting every editor and journalist in the SPH group.
Are you saying that they are unable to write articles in an objective and unbiased manner ? Are you saying that they are the mouthpeiece of the govt ?
in order to write in an objective and unbiased manner, u first need to have a variety of sources from different perspectives, the investigative and analysis zeal to pick them apart and re-assemble them to write your story and last but not least, the moral courage to write it and stand by it...
of course, that's just WRITING it... to publish it, u need a free press unhampered by OB markers, ultra-sensitive pro-gov't editors and a public that appreciates and consumes good investigative journalism.
in Sg, u have NONE of the above. sources comes in the form of ministry press releases that are taken wholesale without any editorial opinion or intepretation. journalists write about trivial, mundane and sensational local news that draws the common reader... traffic accidents, crime, sex scandals...
for international news, just cut and paste Reuters, AFP and BBC cables...
i don't know every single journalist in SPH, but i read 4 - 5 online newspapers every day and i frankly think that the print edition of the ST is rubbish. -
Letters from the public who has raised concern and opposition to certain policies have been published before. The articles written by ex-civil servant Ngiam were not exactly pro-govt either. The opposition wards decision not to raise S & C charges was also reported in the papers.Originally posted by CX:i would venture to suggest that u are quite correct in your second point... SPH journalists are not very good journalists and SPH is a very narrow and rigid gov't mouth-piece.
in order to write in an objective and unbiased manner, u first need to have a variety of sources from different perspectives, the investigative and analysis zeal to pick them apart and re-assemble them to write your story and last but not least, the moral courage to write it and stand by it...
of course, that's just WRITING it... to publish it, u need a free press unhampered by OB markers, ultra-sensitive pro-gov't editors and a public that appreciates and consumes good investigative journalism.
in Sg, u have NONE of the above. sources comes in the form of ministry press releases that are taken wholesale without any editorial opinion or intepretation. journalists write about trivial, mundane and sensational local news that draws the common reader... traffic accidents, crime, sex scandals...
for international news, just cut and paste Reuters, AFP and BBC cables...
i don't know every single journalist in SPH, but i read 4 - 5 online newspapers every day and i frankly think that the print edition of the ST is rubbish.
Changes takes time. I do feel that there has been an increase in the diversity in views and sources. It takes two hand to clap. The public must dare to voice their views if they want to be heard. When you see reporters looking for people to interview, ppl always siam. Then in private they complain no freedom of speak.
There are policies changes due to public feedback also, such as Chek Jawa. The public need to play its part and give good feedback too. Lets just hope that this happen more often in future.
Btw a lot of what is posted on online newspapers are rubbish too.
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Originally posted by tspg:
yes yes yes... and were we not talking about independent investigative journalism? a few complaints and opinion pieces in the forum page does not make a free press.
Letters from the public who has raised concern and opposition to certain policies have been published before. The articles written by ex-civil servant Ngiam were not exactly pro-govt either. The opposition wards decision not to raise S & C charges was also reported in the papers.
also, one might add that SPH reserves the rights to edit before publishing anything contributed by the public. how much of what is published is really unadulterated freedom ?Changes takes time. I do feel that there has been an increase in the diversity in views and sources. It takes two hand to clap. The public must dare to voice their views if they want to be heard. When you see reporters looking for people to interview, ppl always siam. Then in private they complain no freedom of speak.
what is the point of entertaining a press they do not trust and respect? time? how long are u willing to wait? till hell freezes over?There are policies changes due to public feedback also, such as Chek Jawa. The public need to play its part and give good feedback too. Lets just hope that this happen more often in future.
how cool... we have issues of terrorism, political transparency, structural unemployment, and many, many other issues worth talking about...
and we get to talk about a mud pit...Btw a lot of what is posted on online newspapers are rubbish too.
have u read the NY Times? or the London Times? or BBC Online? -
How about someone here create an online news for Singapore? Can always register in U.S. but in reality report exclusively on News that interest Singaporean. Surely, in that case, there is nothing this Singapore Government can do about it.
Just a suggestion for those who complain about lack of freedom of press. Here is something you can do. Better do something then to just complain right? -
It's another breeding place for Sammy fellas who will anyhow whack and hurl wild accusations cos they know they are safe...but then maybe not. The arms of the law will catch up with those smart alecks who think they can hide behind their monitors and whack PAP.Originally posted by Qitai:How about someone here create an online news for Singapore? Can always register in U.S. but in reality report exclusively on News that interest Singaporean. Surely, in that case, there is nothing this Singapore Government can do about it.
Just a suggestion for those who complain about lack of freedom of press. Here is something you can do. Better do something then to just complain right? -
I never said the purpose of that is to whack PAP. The contend will have to be determine by it"s creator. Ideally, of course, we like to see objective reports about things in Singapore not reported by the current existing few newspapers.Originally posted by cooleo:It's another breeding place for Sammy fellas who will anyhow whack and hurl wild accusations cos they know they are safe...but then maybe not. The arms of the law will catch up with those smart alecks who think they can hide behind their monitors and whack PAP.
It could even be a watchdog on various government policies and ministries' activities? Things like looking through HDB, LTA, MOH, MOM accounts and would be of great interest value.
Anyway, I was expecting opposition parties to look into these and have reports on any possible inadequancies. But it looks like they are not doing this too. -
they can block the URL...Originally posted by Qitai:How about someone here create an online news for Singapore? Can always register in U.S. but in reality report exclusively on News that interest Singaporean. Surely, in that case, there is nothing this Singapore Government can do about it.
Just a suggestion for those who complain about lack of freedom of press. Here is something you can do. Better do something then to just complain right?
furthermore, its not easy to set up a news site... u need writers, access to information and credibility...
if u don't have any of those, u'll just end up like the thousands of complain sites out there. -
i always have coffee with Low Thia Kiang at Hougang Ave 7 and sometimes i have rally-race with Chiam See Tong's decade's old Volkswagon and Low Thia Kiang's blue MPV......Originally posted by drawer:I vote for Liu Cheng Qiang or Chiam Chee Tong!!!
they r very nice people...they asked me no need to vote for them....... -
seems that way to me, ever since someone told me about that i've been reading the newspapers and watching the news on tv carefully because i really don't don't what to believe anymoreOriginally posted by tspg:By saying so you are insulting every editor and journalist in the SPH group.
Are you saying that they are unable to write articles in an objective and unbiased manner ? Are you saying that they are the mouthpeiece of the govt ?
after watching out for a while, i've noticed that the news really is crap, it almost makes you believe that you're in heaven
so i've stop reading straits times regularly, as for watching news on tv, i'm even more disappointed with the reporting,
FOR GOD'S SAKE, HOW THE HELL DID AN ESCAPED LOBSTER MADE IT INTO THE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IS THERE REALLY NOTHING TO REPORT AT ALL!!!
IS IT SO BAD THAT A GOD DAMN LOBSTER MANAGED TO GET REPORTED JUST BECAUSE IT APPEARED IN A HDB ESTATE???
if this the type of news we're getting , i think it is they who are insulting our intelligence and not us who are insulting
and btw i recalled that some govt guy said that the media should be the "mouthpiece" of the govt and should not report news that's against the govt
since that can cause instabliity and that is not good
and the media has a responsibility to ensure social order
I don't like pap but i think even the sammyboy people are too much, most of what they're doing is just senseless bashingOriginally posted by cooleo:It's another breeding place for Sammy fellas who will anyhow whack and hurl wild accusations cos they know they are safe...but then maybe not. The arms of the law will catch up with those smart alecks who think they can hide behind their monitors and whack PAP. -
For those who are familiar with the Romance of the Three Kingdom....
One day Cao Cao was leading his army on an expedition. The soldiers were tired and thirstyand moving at a very slow speed putting them in a vulnerable position. Cao Cao told them, there are plum trees ahead I see sweet juicy plums growing on them. Motivated, the soldiers move fast and out of the area. Of course there were no plum trees, it was a white lie told by Cao Cao.
Whenever I go on BN exercise, my PC would tell me we are still two click from the objective I would think : " Damn it that was what you said three hours ago." When I ask again he would say almost reaching. I would be skeptical but I also want to believe at the same time.
A few years ago when GCT said the economy was recovering I didnt believe him either. Our fundalmentals and external demand were still weak. The recovery was weak and will be brief. But I believe he said so to motivated, and not to misled Singaporeans.
A important element required in a recovery is confidence. A lot of times businessman makes decision based on sentiments. If he feels that business is not going to pick up, he cuts down on investment and hiring. The consumer will also spend less resulting in factories producing less and less workers being hired and more being retrenched. The recesson will be prolonged.
If the media and govt were to paint an overly bleak picture, thats whats going to happen. If I were a retrench worker would I still have the confidence to look for a new job if I see in the media everyday that there are many more unemployed and that there are hardly any jobs around ? Or would I be more motivated after seeing sucess stories of ppl who are re-employed after retraining ? Its the same for business sucess stories.
There are only a few bright sparks. But if we were to concentreated on the gloom instead of the bight sparks, we would have been enveloped by the darkness.
My last post for the thread.
Thank You for reading such a long post.
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There is a difference between 'white lies' to motivate and energise the people to higher goals, and the 'white lies' to mislead and redirect people's attention to the errors made or government policies that are controversial.
When news reporters only spy on the Citizens - reporting on a family preference of walking naked within their HDB flats, or where teenage groups hang out to smoke and drink beer, or where illegal activities takes place - but neglect on reporting the failings and shortfalls of government policies, can there still be any objectivity left in news reporting ?
News reporters will put local opposition politicians in a microscope and loudly announce any mishaps, but will hardly subject politicians from the Ruling Party to the same treatment.
When any failings from an Opposition Politician is reported, the same news will be in the headlines for the following weeks, months and rehashed a few years later when deemed suitable to the Ruling Party.
Any failings from any politician from the Ruling Party will get short term publicity, and will never be brought up again.
Can we ever find quality investigative type reporting to the effects of any Government Policies ?
Will there be any honest publication of editorials on the present unemployment situation that is attributed to an abstract term - "STRUCTUAL UNEMPLOYMENT" ?
What is the consequences of the current employment policy that is being promoted by NTUC, in which employment is based on term contract, and with wages and/or bonuses paid out in two stages subject to the performance of the Employer ?
Will there be any honest reporting of the necessity and effects to the various families in the lower, middle and higher income groups, from the increase of GST rate (from THREE PERCENT to FIVE PERCENT) ?
There are many issues that demand independent and critical investigative work that an independent Newspaper Group can perform, so as to inform the Singapore Public that is growing skeptical to the upbeat talk of the economy improving but the unemployment rate remains at 4.5% for the last six months. -
If you fail to see the light, you will continue to live in the darkness.Originally posted by Atobe:There is a difference between 'white lies' to motivate and energise the people to higher goals, and the 'white lies' to mislead and redirect people's attention to the errors made or government policies that are controversial.
When news reporters only spy on the Citizens - reporting on a family preference of walking naked within their HDB flats, or where teenage groups hang out to smoke and drink beer, or where illegal activities takes place - but neglect on reporting the failings and shortfalls of government policies, can there still be any objectivity left in news reporting ?
News reporters will put local opposition politicians in a microscope and loudly announce any mishaps, but will hardly subject politicians from the Ruling Party to the same treatment.
When any failings from an Opposition Politician is reported, the same news will be in the headlines for the following weeks, months and rehashed a few years later when deemed suitable to the Ruling Party.
Any failings from any politician from the Ruling Party will get short term publicity, and will never be brought up again.
Can we ever find quality investigative type reporting to the effects of any Government Policies ?
Will there be any honest publication of editorials on the present unemployment situation that is attributed to an abstract term - "STRUCTUAL UNEMPLOYMENT" ?
What is the consequences of the current employment policy that is being promoted by NTUC, in which employment is based on term contract, and with wages and/or bonuses paid out in two stages subject to the performance of the Employer ?
Will there be any honest reporting of the necessity and effects to the various families in the lower, middle and higher income groups, from the increase of GST rate (from THREE PERCENT to FIVE PERCENT) ?
There are many issues that demand independent and critical investigative work that an independent Newspaper Group can perform, so as to inform the Singapore Public that is growing skeptical to the upbeat talk of the economy improving but the unemployment rate remains at 4.5% for the last six months. -
Originally posted by tspg:
Exactly, but seeing the light from the bottom of a well, is no better than being in the dark too.
If you fail to see the light, you will continue to live in the darkness. -
Even if I were in the deepest well I still see a glimmer of light and a piece of the sky. It is better than someone who is blinded by hatred and refuse to see the truth.Originally posted by Atobe:Exactly, but seeing the light from the bottom of a well, is no better than being in the dark too. -
Originally posted by tspg:
If you are in the deepest well, and can only see a glimmer of light from a clear blue sky, you are certainly myopic.
Even if I were in the deepest well I still see a glimmer of light and a piece of the sky. It is better than someone who is blinded by hatred and refuse to see the truth.
At least, you should see a bright blue sky, even though it is limited by the opening of the well, and not just a "glimmer of light".
Why be so negatively emotive with your expressions towards someone who bear no malice, but only try to show you right from wrong.
Truth ? What is the Truth ?
LKY once said " A lie repeated often enough, will slowly be taken as the truth - especially when said by someone with authority".
This is a frightening statement coming from someone with authority.
The truth remains clear in published accounts of the various Directors in Government Linked Companies that are related to the First Family and their Extended Family.
Are the published account lies written by anyone without Authority ?
Do you not see what was posted, or prefer only to see what you want to see, and meanwhile sweep the rest under the carpet ?
Typical attitude of Politicians who cannnot help on issues that they are impotent to.