Autobiography of Lee Hsien Loong
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Originally posted by cooleo:
Healthy as in keeping "Cool" - no need for artificial boosters.
Healthy? Got any vitamins involved? -
Originally posted by Atobe:
i believe i can see well enough whether or not you choose to believe depends on how stubborn you are
[b]Flaming ?
Sure you know what flaming is all about and that you can know one when you see one ?
Perhaps a Moderator can help you to see better ?
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its bloody obvious you two were hurling attacks at each other
being cynical is one thing but you on the other hand are being too negative to have people listening to your views in a subjective manner -
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
"bloody obvious" ? "hurling attacks at each other" ?
i believe i can see well enough whether or not you choose to believe depends on how stubborn you are
its bloody obvious you two were hurling attacks at each other
being cynical is one thing but you on the other hand are being too negative to have people listening to your views in a subjective manner
Can you read any gory and bloody details in the replies made by me ?
In a debate there is always some degree of firmness to even being robust, but without necessarily being rude or abusive.
Did any of my posts hurled any abusive insult or was it artful taunting that you cannot tolerate ?
If you cannot take such heat, why come near at all ?
You have the liberty to skip this thread and not get engaged.
"too negative to have people listening to your views in a subjective manner" ?
Surprisingly, the exchanges must have drawn your attention enough to excite your emotions by posting your views in a VERY SUBJECTIVE manner that has obviously been done without any objectivity. -
The makings of an Autobiography ?
Enter the son
Despite a life in the public eye, the son of Singapore founding father Lee Kuan Yew remains a mystery to many. Here's what the record shows, what colleagues say and what to expect from Lee Hsien Loong, the third prime minister in 39 years
Far Eastern Economic Review
August 19, 2004
By Barry Wain/SINGAPORE
SINGAPORE'S NEW LEADER
• During Lee's career, he has impressed many with his strongly held beliefs about economic reform
• He is seen as a facilitator: finding, developing and implementing ideas
• He is unlikely to change much of what the ruling party now does
PETER LIM RECOGNIZED a good story. It was the late 1980s, and Lim, then editor-in-chief of Singapore's Straits Times Group, was accompanying Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew to Brunei when he witnessed an episode that left him amazed. Invited to try out a new semi-automatic rifle, the prime minister sprayed bullets through the nearest target on a firing range; when it came to his son's turn, Lim reported, former Brig.-Gen. Lee Hsien Loong missed with every round.
After publishing the story, however, Lim was bawled out by an officer who told him Lee Hsien Loong hadn't been aiming at the targets. When Lim contacted Lee, he confirmed that he had been getting the feel of the rifle and wasn't trying to hit anything in particular. Lim apologized and offered to publish a correction.
Much to Lim's surprise, Lee, who had not long before left the armed forces and become a government minister, criticized the officer for his approach, and told Lim not to worry, that it wasn't important.
The typical Singaporean official of the time would likely have demanded a retraction at the slightest hint of an error. To Lim, now a media consultant, Lee's ability to accept that a mistake had been made, and his confidence that his military credentials would not be undermined by an inaccurate news report, set him apart from the previous generation.
As he takes over as prime minister, only the third since Singapore became independent 39 years ago, Lee Hsien Loong assumes the job with a great deal of such praise, from friends, colleagues and observers. But Lee, who declined to be interviewed for this article, also comes with some baggage and a few question marks.
He has been in politics for 20 years, but remains a bit of a mystery. Friends and colleagues call him a dedicated technocrat, decisive, determined and knowledgeable, but not everyone can cite occasions when he has demonstrated these traits.
He became a brigadier-general and No. 2 in the armed forces at 32, but his military skills have not been publicly demonstrated--understandably, given that Singapore's military was not truly challenged during his tenure.
In almost 14 years as deputy premier, while also serving for periods as finance minister and chairman of the Monetary Authority Of Singapore (MAS), the central bank, he has convinced many people that he is extremely capable, an effective administrator and leader in this city-state of 4.2 million people. But this record is not fully stress-tested since the Singapore government doesn't face the same scrutiny from parliament, the press and pressure groups as a government would in a more competitive political system.
He has a forceful personal style, say acquaintances, but he is also said to be a shy, private man--one whom the public tends to see as austere and aloof--more like his father Lee Kuan Yew, the republic's founding father, than Goh Chok Tong, his immediate predecessor. He enjoys a good argument, but it is said he can also be impatient with those he feels are wasting his time.
Above all, he is dogged by the perception that he might have risen to the top because he is the son of Lee Kuan Yew, whom he has named "minister mentor" in his cabinet.
Uncertainties notwithstanding, a series of interviews with and comments by individuals who feel they know him lends insight into what the new prime minister might offer Singapore now that he has his hands on the reins of power.
The natural conclusion is to expect nothing new. Although Lee's arrival is meant to mark a generational change, at 52 and after years on the job he does not offer the prospect of departure from what the ruling People's Action Party (PAP) currently provides. Goh, who now takes the post of senior minister, will chair the MAS; Lee will remain finance minister.
Indeed, Lee has promised to maintain the incremental political and social liberalization that has been a hallmark of Goh's administration. In a speech to Singapore's Harvard Club in January, Lee promised to respond to what he acknowledged was a better-educated and more-informed younger generation seeking to "express themselves freely" and "voice diverse views." But he warned that "criticism that scores political points and undermines the government's standing" wouldn't be tolerated. Nor would "crusading journalism."
"There doesn't appear to be any substantive policy or philosophical agenda that marks him off from his predecessors or current colleagues," says Garry Rodan, a professor of politics at Australia's Murdoch University. "He represents continuity in the PAP's social conservatism, scepticism about laissez-faire economics and apprehension about political competition." Or, as a Western ambassador put it, "he's a product of the system, and he defends the system." -
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Noordin Sopiee, chairman and chief executive officer of Malaysia's Institute of Strategic and International Studies, calls Lee "a good soldier"--and not because he used to be in the military. Noordin recalls Lee once speaking on a "regional strategic issue" at a closed-door meeting and taking a position that he surmises Lee disagreed with personally. "I heard him arguing something that was quite preposterous, but nevertheless he argued it with gusto and sincerity, because that was the government line," says Noordin.
Could the government line now change? Simon Tay, a law professor and chairman of the Singapore Institute of International Affairs, says that outgoing Premier Goh and Malaysia's new Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi didn't get a chance to shine until they took power. "There are reasons to hope Lee Hsien Loong will blossom in the job," he says.
Civil servants say Lee, who became junior minister for trade and industry after entering Parliament in 1984, arrived with certain strong beliefs about the economy--a reliance on markets, keeping Singapore open rather than protectionist and ensuring that people had a strong incentive to work.
Lee is closely identified with helping to rescue the Singapore economy from recession and other economic storms, and preparing the country to remain competitive in an era of globalization. He headed two special economic committees set up at critical times to write blueprints for the future. The first, prepared in 1985-86, delivered an average 10% growth a year for the following decade.
Patrick Daniel, who worked for Lee as a director in the Trade and Industry Ministry, cites an early stand on the thorny issue of wage reform as characteristic of Lee. "His speech showed a complete mastery of the subject, and he had the guts to say: 'You've got to reform'," says Daniel, who is now a newspaper executive.
In his memoirs, Lee Kuan Yew tells how, in 1997, he got his son involved in preparations to end the protection of Singapore's banks and expose them to global competition. "He began meeting bankers and fund managers and mastered the workings of our financial sector," wrote the elder Lee. Appointed chairman of the MAS in 1998, Lee Hsien Loong, with the help of a few key officers, revamped the MAS and implemented the new approach. The father had the vision, while the son was the facilitator.
Lee is what is known in management theory as an "assessor developer," say people who have studied him closely: He trawls through the marketplace of ideas, often on the Internet, and selects those he considers appropriate for Singapore. One senior civil servant reports that Lee circulates drafts of his speeches and solicits ideas and comments.
Civil servants say Lee seized on and developed a series of reforms including reform of the financial sector, a goods and services tax, and a revitalized bureaucracy. Lee designed the GST, argued for it and did a great deal to get it adopted, they say.
"He conceptualizes the need for reform from the big, macroeconomic picture, customizes it for Singapore, and goes all the way to implementing it--everything from the timing to who does what," says Daniel, who served as secretary of the first economic committee that Lee chaired.
Daniel, now a managing editor at Singapore Press Holdings, describes Lee as a task-oriented policy wonk. "If you get the task done, everything is fine," he says. "If you don't, you have to answer to him."
Outside the government, others have encountered Lee's combative side. Gareth Evans, a former Australian foreign minister who currently heads the Brussels-based International Crisis Group, clashed with Lee in the 1980s and 1990s on bilateral issues long-forgotten. "He gave no quarter in arguments, but equally expected none in return," says Evans. "He's pretty direct and frank."
Tay, the law professor, found himself in a sharp exchange with Lee 20 years ago, after Lee told students at the National University of Singapore that they shouldn't see themselves as a lobby group. Tay, then president of the students' union, disagreed. As the two young men raised their voices, organizers tried to calm them, but Lee would have none of it.
"It's a telling example about his character," says Tay, who later became a nominated member of parliament and continued to question Lee on various issues. "He believes in the substance. He felt there should be a robust debate, not just empty talk."
In expressing strong opinions, Lee can also leave others with the feeling that he thinks he alone has the answers. But based on the testimony of fellow politicians and foreign diplomats who regularly accompany visitors calling on Lee, he is keenly interested in the views of others.
Frank Lavin, the United States ambassador to Singapore, says Lee is invariably businesslike. "Sometimes this is mistaken for aloofness or arrogance," he says. "But I don't think that is true at all." Lee is "completely unpretentious and very unassuming," he adds. "There's no hubris about the man."
In part, Lee suffers from a comparison on a personal level with his predecessor. He isn't as warm or genial as Goh, say acquaintances, and doesn't engage in as much small talk. Colleagues say that while Lee isn't the back-slapping type, he has a wry sense of humour and sometimes laughs out loud with a distinctive guffaw.
Not much is known of Lee's life outside the office. He reads and spends a good deal of time on the Internet, say colleagues. Tall and slim, Lee is reported to be in good health after a battle with cancer in 1992. Pronounced cured after a course of intense chemotherapy that kept the lymphoma in remission for more than five years, he stretches and works out daily, jogging or swimming. He also tries to take a short break in the afternoon to "rest and calm down for an hour, if I can," as he told the Straits Times.
IMAGE MANAGEMENT
In Singapore, people tend to be cautious about offending a government that has shown little tolerance for criticism. Any number of locals--often grass-roots PAP officials or old friends--are quoted in local papers ascribing positive qualities to Lee, but their claims are sometimes hard to confirm.
Even the political opposition seems to tread carefully. Low Thia Khiang, one of only two opposition members of parliament, declines to comment on Lee. The other, Chiam See Tong, says it is Lee's intelligence that is at the root of the misunderstanding about him being above the heads of ordinary people. "Most people can't keep up with him," Chiam says. "That's why they find him abrupt."
Lee does have an image problem, identified by no less than Goh in his National Day address last August. "Loong's public persona is that of a no-nonsense, uncompromising and tough minister," Goh said. "Singaporeans would like Loong to be more approachable."
While Lee has been taking Goh's advice "to let his softer side show"--being filmed eating out casually with the family, for instance--"I can't say he's succeeded by all the talk I hear," says Lim, the former newspaper editor-in-chief.
Part of the problem is an undercurrent of resentment that Lee, for all his academic and political accomplishments, has had it easy because he is Lee Kuan Yew's son, and that he finds it difficult to empathize with less fortunate Singaporeans.
The cynicism surfaced with Lee's fast track through the military ranks to brigadier-general. His move into politics and rapid rise fuelled speculation that he was being groomed by his father to be premier. BG Lee, as he was then known, was widely referred to as "baby god."
"He's got the right economic vision, no doubt about that," says a Western diplomat. "The big test is getting that social and political touch for a modern society."
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my posting in a subjective manner is based on what i felt is abusive posting by you regarding other members not on your political views, maybe you should just tell us whats wrong with the pap with just facts and let us decide for ourselves instead of cramping your emotions along with itOriginally posted by Atobe:"bloody obvious" ? "hurling attacks at each other" ?
Can you read any gory and bloody details in the replies made by me ?
In a debate there is always some degree of firmness to even being robust, but without necessarily being rude or abusive.
Did any of my posts hurled any abusive insult or was it artful taunting that you cannot tolerate ?
If you cannot take such heat, why come near at all ?
You have the liberty to skip this thread and not get engaged.
"too negative to have people listening to your views in a subjective manner" ?
do not twist my words, you always seem to have a habbit of twisting words to suit your own use
since you have mentioned that
In a debate there is always some degree of firmness, i agree that is needed if not whats the point of a debate
but you , you did not come here to have a debate, look at your posts, your posts have the same message as panja V and that "TWC go fly kite guy"
i have the liberty to skip this thread and not get engaged,
I TOO have the responsibility to help stop things form getting out of hand as a member here
if your taunts were for "artful", do you think i would have felt irritated by them?
Surprisingly, the exchanges must have drawn your attention enough to excite your emotions by posting your views in a VERY SUBJECTIVE manner that has obviously been done without any objectivity. -
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
I am surprised that there are so many self-appointed guardian angels in this sgForum.
my posting in a subjective manner is based on what i felt is abusive posting by you regarding other members not on your political views, maybe you should just tell us whats wrong with the pap with just facts and let us decide for ourselves instead of cramping your emotions along with it
Are you sure that you qualify to such a post with such a poor understanding of simple English used, which has resulted in speculative and skewered interpretation of issues posted.
It was a private exchange between "tspg" and myself, where were you involved to butt your nose into our exchange ?
Who appointed you as his guardian angel ?
If you must get involve, prove my posted statements wrong instead of being personal.
Now I am wondering who is being abusive and insulting without provocation. -
self-appointed guardian angels?Originally posted by Atobe:I am surprised that there are so many self-appointed guardian angels in this sgForum.
i thought it was you who said that we singaporeans should stand up whenever we see anything wrong, or are you refering to the pap only?Are you sure that you qualify to such a post with such a poor understanding of simple English used, which has resulted in speculative and skewered interpretation of issues posted.
i thought i just mention that i'm not posting about the issues?
and who are you to judge? oh i forgot, a senior member teaching a junior member that we need to do things according to "the proper chain of command"
ok if you're doing it that way i suppose i must admit i'm wrong thenIt was a private exchange between "tspg" and myself, where were you involved to butt your nose into our exchange ?
if it was so private, maybe you should have stated it so, or at least use the pm system, unless that was not your aim at allWho appointed you as his guardian angel ?
refer to aboveIf you must get involve, prove my posted statements wrong instead of being personal.
like i said i "butted in " mainly because i felt that you're too much, and my posts here are personally aimed at you not about the points you posted
Now I am wondering who is being abusive and insulting without provocation.
, do not try to create a situation where i can't do so since that will not work
i was on your side when it began since i don't agree with tspg's views, then you got agressive because he's not agreeing with you, and from that moment on , its was no longer about politics, its was just you and him trying to see who would give up first
and you don't have to wonder about who's being abusive and insulting without provocation
i can tell you it was you -
Everyone, including you and I, has great worthy stories to write about.Originally posted by Atobe:At least Bonny Hicks had something worthy to write of herself.
Has LHL anything to write for himself, if not for his father's help ? -
I agree. This guy appointed himself as the champion of human rights and yet he don't allow other people to write their life story.Originally posted by SnowFlag:Everyone, including you and I, has great worthy stories to write about. -
Originally posted by paperchicken:
This guy ?
I agree. This guy appointed himself as the champion of human rights and yet he don't allow other people to write their life story.
Which guy ?
Will you be more specific ?
"he don't allow other people to write their life story" ?
Now should I be confused by your incoherent and trackless manner of writing ?
Who do not allow LHL to write his life story, or are you referring to "tspg" writing his Life Story, or did someone prevent you from writing your life story as a "paperchicken" ? -
Originally posted by SnowFlag:
Certainly, there is no dispute about that.
Everyone, including you and I, has great worthy stories to write about.
Unfortunately, there seems to be a lack of any worthy or great stories to be written about a supposedly brilliant person named as LHL.
It seems that his colorless background seems to have led to the present situation - resulting in this thread being created. -
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
Original post by Atobe:
You thought wrong, as I do not recall making such a grand standing statement - calling Singaporeans to stand-up whenever we see anything wrong.
I am surprised that there are so many self-appointed guardian angels in this sgForum.
self-appointed guardian angels?
i thought it was you who said that we singaporeans should stand up whenever we see anything wrong, or are you refering to the pap only?
Do you always read with your eyes open, but with your mind closed ?
Original post by oldbreadstinks:Original post by Atobe:
If you are not responding to the issue, and have such a poor understanding of the written text, are you certain that the hat that you choose is not too small for such a big head that seems to be over inflated with hot air ?
Are you sure that you qualify to such a post with such a poor understanding of simple English used, which has resulted in speculative and skewered interpretation of issues posted.
i thought i just mention that i'm not posting about the issues?
and who are you to judge? oh i forgot, a senior member teaching a junior member that we need to do things according to "the proper chain of command"
ok if you're doing it that way i suppose i must admit i'm wrong then
Original post by oldbreadstinks:Original post by Atobe:
Why does it concern you at all, which mode is preferred ?
It was a private exchange between "tspg" and myself, where were you involved to butt your nose into our exchange ?
if it was so private, maybe you should have stated it so, or at least use the pm system, unless that was not your aim at all
If you cannot even help yourself to understand the issues involved, it show how precocious you are in making all the wrong assumptions of the issues that are being discussed.
Original post by oldbreadstinks:Original post by Atobe:
Are you referring to the GOD above us ?
Who appointed you as his guardian angel ?
refer to above
Original post by oldbreadstinks:Original post by Atobe:
You are most welcome to be entertained, just be sure that you can take what you throw at others.
If you must get involve, prove my posted statements wrong instead of being personal.
Now I am wondering who is being abusive and insulting without provocation.
like i said i "butted in " mainly because i felt that you're too much, and my posts here are personally aimed at you not about the points you posted
, do not try to create a situation where i can't do so since that will not work
i was on your side when it began since i don't agree with tspg's views, then you got agressive because he's not agreeing with you, and from that moment on , its was no longer about politics, its was just you and him trying to see who would give up first
and you don't have to wonder about who's being abusive and insulting without provocation
i can tell you it was you
You are entitled to see, read and interprete the details to suit your preferred manner of thinking, and it is entirely your prerogative.
In a debate or discussion of issues, it is a matter of which idea prevails, and whose argument is more convincing.
If I can turn your view or judgment around, it is not simply me winning and you losing.
The fact that both sides can see and agree to a point of view that allow both sides to finally come to agreement, and see it as the correct view - will result in victory for both sides.
It is plain childishness and immaturity to see debate as merely winning and losing from a contest of will; when it should be an exchange of ideas, and testing these ideas by writing, to argue and debate to show the correctness or incorrectness of each other's views.
It is no disgrace to concede to logic.
It is a disgrace to be petty, small minded, pompous, self-assuming, condescending, abusive, insulting, and worse of all - to be foolishly illogical.
You certainly have alot to learn and brush up in your reading abiliity first, before you try to teach anyone something. -
Thats what I am trying to say LHL or Snowflag or Paperchicken can write their own story if they want to, even if it is bland and boring. Its a personal choice not a political one.Originally posted by Atobe:Certainly, there is no dispute about that.
Unfortunately, there seems to be a lack of any worthy or great stories to be written about a supposedly brilliant person named as LHL.
It seems that his colorless background seems to have led to the present situation - resulting in this thread being created.
You are mixing politics with other people's personal right.
If LHL wants to write a story about himself, he can do so in his own free time and published it with his own money. It a personal choice and people can then choose whether to read his book or not.
Chee wrote his own book. I have read and its available in public library.
Writing a book is a personal choice anybody can write. PAP can write, SDP can write and ordinary Singaporeans can write also. I don't see anything wrong with it. -
tspg> Welcome Back!!
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Go and die lah !Originally posted by Atobe:Certainly, there is no dispute about that.
Unfortunately, there seems to be a lack of any worthy or great stories to be written about a supposedly brilliant person named as LHL.
It seems that his colorless background seems to have led to the present situation - resulting in this thread being created.
You use a colorless avatar and you can ppl colorless. Toopid lah. You are bland and colorless yourself. -
Originally posted by tspg:
So, the 'Ta Ta' was simple soap opera to gain a few sympathetic hearts to your failing position in an on-going debate that you decide to terminate ?
Thats what I am trying to say LHL or Snowflag or Paperchicken can write their own story if they want to, even if it is bland and boring. Its a personal choice not a political one.
You are mixing politics with other people's personal right.
If LHL wants to write a story about himself, he can do so in his own free time and published it with his own money. It a personal choice and people can then choose whether to read his book or not.
Chee wrote his own book. I have read and its available in public library.
Writing a book is a personal choice anybody can write. PAP can write, SDP can write and ordinary Singaporeans can write also. I don't see anything wrong with it.
If you care to read through my postings - from the beginning of this thread up to wherever you care to stop - you will note that I have NOT prevented LHL or anyone to write their Autobiography.
The thread had opened with the question as to why there is no autobiography written about LHL.
My response was a simple point made, and that was that LHL has a colorless background, merely groomed to be in place; and it is surprising that despite all the careful grooming, no attempt was made to even write an Autobiography of him.
Do you and your "fellow polishers " actually read and understand what is written, or prefer to form conclusions based on preferred angle of thinking ?
Pathetic education that you are receiving, and hopefully we will not have you as a NSP Candidate for the next Election, when you cannot even cope with your stand in this sgForum. -
Originally posted by papertiger:
Is this the best bite that a " papertiger " can do ?
Go and die lah !
You use a colorless avatar and you can ppl colorless. Toopid lah. You are bland and colorless yourself.
Pathetic performing standards in a public forum.
A ' papertiger ' will always be just a piece of paper and will end up as trash.
Can one expect any better outcome ?
Footnote:
There seems to be a paper zoo, with ' papertiger ' and ' paperduck ' and all seem to be supporting the NSP candidate 'tspg' - I wonder if the initials 'tspg' has some paper weight to this menagerie. -
tspg> Ignore that guy. You know everyone else here welcomes you back. Use him to train up your temper. Good pratice
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Why does this bunch of 'tspg' supporters fail to read, or have a bad habit of reading more into simple statements written ?Originally posted by Qitai:tspg> Ignore that guy. You know everyone else here welcomes you back. Use him to train up your temper. Good pratice
Did I reject his return ?
What an odd way of welcoming 'tspg' back, by stopping him to make a reply in this sgForum ?
Are you not making a contradicting statement ?
You are certainly helping him alot by asking him to train his temper through sheer ignorance, some supporters do more harm than good. -
What is worthy to be written depends very much on your perspective. Personally I think LHL have something to tell about his upbringing as a son of a politician, with parents, or father with very strong opinion. Did he or did he not grow up with his own characters? He can write about being a father of a child with visible handicap, a husband who has lost his wife not long after they got married. He can also write about being a husband to a strong business woman. Being Chinese educated, was his outlook in life affected by parents who are english educated? The struggle he went through when he was suffering fron Cancer.Originally posted by Atobe:Certainly, there is no dispute about that.
Unfortunately, there seems to be a lack of any worthy or great stories to be written about a supposedly brilliant person named as LHL.
It seems that his colorless background seems to have led to the present situation - resulting in this thread being created.
Whether his story is great or worthy depend on how you view another persons experience. -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
You are certainly correct on this score.
What is worthy to be written depends very much on your perspective. Personally I think LHL have something to tell about his upbringing as a son of a politician, with parents, or father with very strong opinion. Did he or did he not grow up with his own characters? He can write about being a father of a child with visible handicap, a husband who has lost his wife not long after they got married. He can also write about being a husband to a strong business woman. Being Chinese educated, was his outlook in life affected by parents who are english educated? The struggle he went through when he was suffering fron Cancer.
Whether his story is great or worthy depend on how you view another persons experience.
It depends on how much LHL is willing to reveal of himself, his private thoughts, his private moments, his anguish, his triumphs.
An Autobiography will reveal the makings of the inner self, character, soul.
It will reveal one's strengths and weaknesses.
Much will depend on how much one is prepared to reveal to the public and to one's political opponents.
However, an Autobiography is only information of oneself that can be used as a TOOL - to benefit oneself to win hearts and minds, or it can be used by one's Opponents to psycho-analyse oneself. -
Not hopeful you will actually listen at all.Originally posted by Atobe:Why does this bunch of 'tspg' supporters fail to read, or have a bad habit of reading more into simple statements written ?
Did I reject his return ?
What an odd way of welcoming 'tspg' back, by stopping him to make a reply in this sgForum ?
Are you not making a contradicting statement ?
You are certainly helping him alot by asking him to train his temper through sheer ignorance, some supporters do more harm than good.
But most of your criticism of others really applies to yourself. Read your own messages as if it is directed to you and you will understand. But then, you will probably come back to tell me that you feel perfectly alright and we are just immatured.
You have a mixed of good points, some views that I do not agree with but can tolerate, some "hearsay facts without proof", some irrelevant replies and to top it off character assasination on almost every reply. I like to read your good points, but when it is hidden in the pile of other trash, sorry, it is time to give up.
You will probably come back with another messages with some more names calling, but I will probably ignore you since it is just wasting my time. Can't resist to waste 5 mins of my time again this time. -
Originally posted by Qitai:
The problem with self-appointed guardian angels to others, is that they become to presumptious, and assume too much into their own self-appointed roles.
Not hopeful you will actually listen at all.
But most of your criticism of others really applies to yourself. Read your own messages as if it is directed to you and you will understand. But then, you will probably come back to tell me that you feel perfectly alright and we are just immatured.
You have a mixed of good points, some views that I do not agree with but can tolerate, some "hearsay facts without proof", some irrelevant replies and to top it off character assasination on almost every reply. I like to read your good points, but when it is hidden in the pile of other trash, sorry, it is time to give up.
You will probably come back with another messages with some more names calling, but I will probably ignore you since it is just wasting my time. Can't resist to waste 5 mins of my time again this time.
If you believe that my points are based on "hearsay facts without proof" - why do you not zero in on those areas, and let us have some proof of what you claim are my "facts without proof".
By the way can "facts" be based on "hearsay", and if they are already "facts" do they need "proof" ?
What is of value will always be worthwhile to spend some time on; and am immensely grateful of the precious five minutes that you have taken to make such a directionless reply. -
I don't support anybody. I just don't like you attitude.Originally posted by Atobe:Is this the best bite that a " papertiger " can do ?
Pathetic performing standards in a public forum.
A ' papertiger ' will always be just a piece of paper and will end up as trash.
Can one expect any better outcome ?
So whats so great about your nick Atobe? You are Just as bland and boring as your avater. Get a life !