Autobiography of Lee Hsien Loong
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You are not going to find the type of audience who will support you in Sgforums. Oh maybe there could be a few, but try your luck at sammyboy. That is THE place for your type.Originally posted by Atobe:The problem with self-appointed guardian angels to others, is that they become to presumptious, and assume too much into their own self-appointed roles.
If you believe that my points are based on "hearsay facts without proof" - why do you not zero in on those areas, and let us have some proof of what you claim are my "facts without proof".
By the way can "facts" be based on "hearsay", and if they are already "facts" do they need "proof" ?
What is of value will always be worthwhile to spend some time on; and am immensely grateful of the precious five minutes that you have taken to make such a directionless reply. -
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,.......eh? when did we get a paper tiger?Originally posted by papertiger:Go and die lah !
You use a colorless avatar and you can ppl colorless. Toopid lah. You are bland and colorless yourself.
speaker's corner's turning into a zoo with all these paper animals like chicken ducks and tigers
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Originally posted by Atobe:
if my mind is closed , do you think i would have said anything on this?
You thought wrong, as I do not recall making such a grand standing statement - calling Singaporeans to stand-up whenever we see anything wrong.
Do you always read with your eyes open, but with your mind closed ?
and yes unfortunately you HAVE asked for singaporeans to stand up to be counted and not to let the pap continue to rule singapore with policies which you do not think are "right"Originally posted by Atobe:
the issue i'm refering to is your hat not mine, as i have stated my concern is the way you post not the issues you are trying to add in right now
If you are not responding to the issue, and have such a poor understanding of the written text, are you certain that the hat that you choose is not too small for such a big head that seems to be over inflated with hot air ?
if i am having a poor understanding of the written text it must be due to the irrelevant text thats seems to be spread out all over the placeOriginally posted by Atobe:
your words do not seem match your actions judging by whats been going on fro the last few pages
You are most welcome to be entertained, just be sure that you can take what you throw at others.
You are entitled to see, read and interprete the details to suit your preferred manner of thinking, and it is entirely your prerogative.
In a debate or discussion of issues, it is a matter of which idea prevails, and whose argument is more convincing.
If I can turn your view or judgment around, it is not simply me winning and you losing.
The fact that both sides can see and agree to a point of view that allow both sides to finally come to agreement, and see it as the correct view - will result in victory for both sides.
It is plain childishness and immaturity to see debate as merely winning and losing from a contest of will; when it should be an exchange of ideas, and testing these ideas by writing, to argue and debate to show the correctness or incorrectness of each other's views.
It is no disgrace to concede to logic.
It is a disgrace to be petty, small minded, pompous, self-assuming, condescending, abusive, insulting, and worse of all - to be foolishly illogical.
You certainly have alot to learn and brush up in your reading abiliity first, before you try to teach anyone something.
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but of course i am entitled to see, read and interprete the details to suit my preferred manner of thinking, and it is entirely my prerogative.
and since as you said that is my right
why then is this
"The fact that both sides can see and agree to a point of view that allow both sides to finally come to agreement, and see it as the correct view - will result in victory for both sides."
by my own judgement(naturally) not what i see in the course of your actions
and why has my judgment led me to perceive that the "debate" has turned away from politics? and into the childish act you have mention?
It is a disgrace to be petty, small minded, pompous, self-assuming, condescending, abusive, insulting, and worse of all - to be foolishly illogical. yes of course , you agree too don't you?
then tell me WHY ARE YOU ACTING THIS WAY?
and i believe that i have nothing to learn concerning reading ability as of now
but unless i am one of those " need to learn their place, is there any hope for sgforums newbies"newbies you were talking about, then i have nothing to say then -
Originally quoted by oldbreadstinks:
if my mind is closed , do you think i would have said anything on this?
Originally posted by Atobe:
You thought wrong, as I do not recall making such a grand standing statement - calling Singaporeans to stand-up whenever we see anything wrong.
Do you always read with your eyes open, but with your mind closed ?
and yes unfortunately you HAVE asked for singaporeans to stand up to be counted and not to let the pap continue to rule singapore with policies which you do not think are "right"
Yes, you have said alot, but did you say anything of any substance, or simply filling the space on the server - which seems to be your style "????" ?
Were you reading blindly, even when you think your mind was not closed to whatever you are reading, since you have already made up your mind towards a specific direction despite whatever you are reading ?
Did I ask Singaporeans to stand and be counted ?
Where have you read such a statement from my postings ?
Or did you simply infer from your own reading of my statements and come to your own preferred conclusions ?
Again, the question of reading with eyes open but the mind closed ?Originally quoted by oldbreadstinks:
the issue i'm refering to is your hat not mine, as i have stated my concern is the way you post not the issues you are trying to add in right now
Originally posted by Atobe:
If you are not responding to the issue, and have such a poor understanding of the written text, are you certain that the hat that you choose is not too small for such a big head that seems to be over inflated with hot air ?
if i am having a poor understanding of the written text it must be due to the irrelevant text thats seems to be spread out all over the place
Am I correct to understand that you have appointed yourself as the guardian angel to tspg, or simply to be my 'watch dog' ?
You prefer to take issue with my style and approach in challenging the ideas from tspg, but have no alternative ideas to the issues themselves ?
Are you sure you qualified enough to take on such a role ?Originally quoted by oldbreadstinks:
your words do not seem match your actions judging by whats been going on fro the last few pages but of course i am entitled to see, read and interprete the details to suit my preferred manner of thinking, and it is entirely my prerogative.
[quote]Originally posted by Atobe:
You are most welcome to be entertained, just be sure that you can take what you throw at others.
You are entitled to see, read and interprete the details to suit your preferred manner of thinking, and it is entirely your prerogative.
In a debate or discussion of issues, it is a matter of which idea prevails, and whose argument is more convincing.
If I can turn your view or judgment around, it is not simply me winning and you losing.
The fact that both sides can see and agree to a point of view that allow both sides to finally come to agreement, and see it as the correct view - will result in victory for both sides.
It is plain childishness and immaturity to see debate as merely winning and losing from a contest of will; when it should be an exchange of ideas, and testing these ideas by writing, to argue and debate to show the correctness or incorrectness of each other's views.
It is no disgrace to concede to logic.
It is a disgrace to be petty, small minded, pompous, self-assuming, condescending, abusive, insulting, and worse of all - to be foolishly illogical.
You certainly have alot to learn and brush up in your reading abiliity first, before you try to teach anyone something.
and since as you said that is my right
why then is this
"The fact that both sides can see and agree to a point of view that allow both sides to finally come to agreement, and see it as the correct view - will result in victory for both sides."
by my own judgement(naturally) not what i see in the course of your actions
and why has my judgment led me to perceive that the "debate" has turned away from politics? and into the childish act you have mention?
You seem to be having a problem with an inability in judgment or perhaps simply taking on issues that you can barely cope.
So far you have been making many statements but without any substantive directions.
General statements are useless, you take the trouble to quote from my piece, and make general statements of my mistaken behaviour of intolerance towards 'tspg' in my other posts; and yet you have not even shown which paragraphs or statements or posts that you have found my behavior to be offensive.
Amazing way of quoting an article that bears no relevance to the one that you are referring to. Are you certain of your own position or simply working on your 'Tai Chi' style of debating ?continuing post by oldbreadstinks:
yes of course , you agree too don't you?
It is a disgrace to be petty, small minded, pompous, self-assuming, condescending, abusive, insulting, and worse of all - to be foolishly illogical.
then tell me WHY ARE YOU ACTING THIS WAY?
and i believe that i have nothing to learn concerning reading ability as of now
but unless i am one of those " need to learn their place, is there any hope for sgforums newbies"newbies you were talking about, then i have nothing to say then
Which post of mine have you found to be abusive, insulting and foolishly illogical ?
Are you now attempting to behave in a foolishly illogical, abusive and insulting manner by making unsubstantiated claims from my posts that you claim to be offensive ?
It remains your prerogative to learn nothing when you cannot recognise the tip of your own nose from your own face.
If such is the standard of understanding and writing about politics in this sgForums, then is there any hope of any kind of quality discussion - when supposedly abstract replies take the form of "????" , and nonsensical kiddie jokes about "how many ministers does it take to change a light bulb ?" -
Originally posted by cooleo:
I do not need nor seek nor crave to be supported.
You are not going to find the type of audience who will support you in Sgforums. Oh maybe there could be a few, but try your luck at sammyboy. That is THE place for your type.
The process is informing and educating, and to be informed and educated in return.
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Please dun elevate yourself to a position whereby you feel that u are qualified to teach and educate others. The most you can do is influence, but pls dun go around telling... "i want to educate Singaporeans...blah blah blah".Originally posted by Atobe:I do not need nor seek nor crave to be supported.
The process is informing and educating, and to be informed and educated in return.
This will be more than sufficient. -
Originally posted by cooleo:
Did I write "TEACH" ?
Please dun elevate yourself to a position whereby you feel that u are qualified to teach and educate others. The most you can do is influence, but pls dun go around telling... "i want to educate Singaporeans...blah blah blah".
"Education" is informing, and how does one influence others, WITHOUT informing ?
My post will not and cannot help someone, who has no capacity to think deep, and reflect their shallow mental capacity by willingly and uncritically worshipping the Ruling Party.
Any post by anyone wanting to inform and influence your type will find it near impossible, as you have no or little capacity for any further information, as judged from the incoherent and nonsensical empty posts that you can only make in the form of "....blah blah blah" . -
so u are the one who think deep? and reflect your open mental?Originally posted by Atobe:Did I write "TEACH" ?
"Education" is informing, and how does one influence others, WITHOUT informing ?
My post will not and cannot help someone, who has no capacity to think deep, and reflect their shallow mental capacity by willingly and uncritically worshipping the Ruling Party.
Any post by anyone wanting to inform and influence your type will find it near impossible, as you have no or little capacity for any further information, as judged from the incoherent and nonsensical empty posts that you can only make in the form of "....blah blah blah" .
do u feel
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It never fails to amaze me how delusions can lead on to hallucinations in the more severe stages. From a couple of postings, you are able to conclude someone is shallow, which is remarkably DEEP.Originally posted by Atobe:Did I write "TEACH" ?
"Education" is informing, and how does one influence others, WITHOUT informing ?
My post will not and cannot help someone, who has no capacity to think deep, and reflect their shallow mental capacity by willingly and uncritically worshipping the Ruling Party.
Any post by anyone wanting to inform and influence your type will find it near impossible, as you have no or little capacity for any further information, as judged from the incoherent and nonsensical empty posts that you can only make in the form of "....blah blah blah" . -
I think his emotions range fromOriginally posted by paperduck:so u are the one who think deep? and reflect your open mental?
do u feel [/u]
to this . I think dun have . Wow...i am getting DEEP! I can actually assume so many things now!! -
uh-oh... its getting HOT in here... quick everyone run...
TAKE COVER....
ren yi shi... fen ping lang jing...
tui yi bu, hai kuo tian kong....
kis and make-up now... I was once "disturbed", but I've learnt to let it off by taking it out on my cat.... nah..only joking, don't report me to SPCA... I only meant I complained to my cat... -
Originally posted by cooleo:
Delusions can only happen to someone who believe in blindly supporting policies that disenfranchise the Singapore Citizens of their rights, and still believing that those rights are still available.
It never fails to amaze me how delusions can lead on to hallucinations in the more severe stages. From a couple of postings, you are able to conclude someone is shallow, which is remarkably DEEP.
Hallucination is with those who having been deluded remain unaware that they are living in a controlled state of existence, with everything dependent on the good grace of the performance of the Ruling Establishment.
No, not simply from a couple of postings only, but the self revealing shallow standard that you have shown of your thought process, in some of the issues that you defend without any gusto; and by your adoption of a post that you have claimed to be written by 'great minds' prepared to uncritically defend the positions of the Ruling Party - when they are no better then emotional outbursts from someone frustrated by the facts of the real world being hurled at them and the Ruling Party. -
I totally have to agree with you on that point.There are lots of people who will not move out of their comfort zone because it might hurt them or cause some discomfort.I'd rather have the birth pangs now then later.
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Originally posted by paperduck:
I feel
so u are the one who think deep? and reflect your open mental?
do u feel [/u] when I have to respond to some piece of paper that even dare to attempt to be a quack duck.
Should I be talking to any paper or duck that have been crossed by some wierd genetic treatment ? -
Resorting to pun intended remarks ain't too DEEP. Is this a case of hitting below the belt when the going gets too tough to handle?Originally posted by Atobe:I feel when I have to respond to some piece of paper that even dare to attempt to be a quack duck.
Should I be talking to any paper or duck that have been crossed by some wierd genetic treatment ? -
It stinks with you around.Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:,.......eh? when did we get a paper tiger?
speaker's corner's turning into a zoo with all these paper animals like chicken ducks and tigers 
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What kind of rights do Singaporeans deserve? They even need a nanny on standby to watch and make sure they dun fall down mrt platforms. Govt need to shove a pacifier into their mouths when there's a blackout. I'm afraid freedom is something everyone wants, but not necessarily something they can handle.Originally posted by Atobe:Delusions can only happen to someone who believe in blindly supporting policies that disenfranchise the Singapore Citizens of their rights, and still believing that those rights are still available.
Hallucination is with those who having been deluded remain unaware that they are living in a controlled state of existence, with everything dependent on the good grace of the performance of the Ruling Establishment.
No, not simply from a couple of postings only, but the self revealing shallow standard that you have shown of your thought process, in some of the issues that you defend without any gusto; and by your adoption of a post that you have claimed to be written by 'great minds' prepared to uncritically defend the positions of the Ruling Party - when they are no better then emotional outbursts from someone frustrated by the facts of the real world being hurled at them and the Ruling Party.
And i certainly stick to my guns that the writer i quoted was a remarkable thinker. Strong forceful arguments with great conviction. To sum it up, losers will always be the ones complaining about PAP. Either they can't afford to migrate, or they are too timid to do so. Or maybe they need a step-by-step instruction manual published by PAP to teach them how to migrate? -
But you don't have to go around arguing with everyone either. You want to win all the time and don't respect the view of other people.Originally posted by Atobe:I do not need nor seek nor crave to be supported.
The process is informing and educating, and to be informed and educated in return.
This will be more than sufficient. -
I prefer animals to foul breadOriginally posted by paperchicken:It stinks with you around. -
Originally posted by paperchicken:
Why do you see the various postings in different thread as arguing with everyone ?
But you don't have to go around arguing with everyone either. You want to win all the time and don't respect the view of other people.
This is an open forum with so many different subjects reflected in the different threads.
Are you telling me to shut up and concentrate only on one thread ?
What about yourself being in all the different threads but contributing only chicken fertilzer of the paper kind, in a sgForum that is supposed to challenge the minds in worthwhile debate ? -
Originally posted by cooleo:
If you cannot appreciate the sophisticated intention of a pun, then nothing can help you understand the deeper use of the English Language.
Resorting to pun intended remarks ain't too DEEP. Is this a case of hitting below the belt when the going gets too tough to handle?
The feathered kind cannot withstand the abrasions that some four legged animals - such as a lion, who is smarter in playing it cool.
Can you even learn to appreciate and differentiate light humour from abusive and aggressive assault below the belt, before posting your critique of the reply made by others ?
The party that received the comments did not even feel the strength of the supposed "hit below the belt", and did not even bother to respond in the manner that you have taken.
You got to learn to be cooler in order to live up to your preferred name. -
Is your father a PAP minister? You so supportive of them. BTW ppl fall onto MRT tracks because there were not enough safety precautions. Tell your father to do something about it. I thank you on behalf of everybody here.Originally posted by cooleo:I prefer animals to foul bread 
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Originally posted by cooleo:
So finally, after so many postings in all the different threads, the true self in a supposedly 'cooleo' has now revealed his true personna with your opening paragraph.
What kind of rights do Singaporeans deserve? They even need a nanny on standby to watch and make sure they dun fall down mrt platforms. Govt need to shove a pacifier into their mouths when there's a blackout. I'm afraid freedom is something everyone wants, but not necessarily something they can handle.
Are you saying that Singaporeans deserve no rights at all, or some kind of diluted rights - just because they are so dependent on the Government for a "nanny on standby to watch and make sure they dun fall down mrt platforms" ?
Why do you think the "Govt need to shove a pacifier into their mouths when there's a blackout" ?
Is the answer not appearing in your "light bulb" that is so defensive of the Government ?
Who has made Singaporeans dependent on the Government entirely on almost everything that is needed for living and working in Singapore ?
From Kindergarten Schools in HDB void decks, to Schools and Universities that are locked in by Government paternerlistic control, daily necessities of food, transport, jobs, health, entertainment, media, security, water, power, sewage, garbage, and all services and sundry that enslave Singaporeans to a system created by a Government to take back from the Citizens the money that has been paid to them.
Even with the declared intention of Privatising such essential services, to create supposedly efficient competition, the new supposedly 'private' companies are no better that the original Government Departments formed into Commercial Entities, each taking on a divided pie, and all reporting to the Temasek Holdings.
So much for your theory of Singaporeans inability to exercise "FREEDOM".
You certainly have been bred for too long in Singapore, and fed the on the kind of fodder by the Rulers in this Singapore version of the Animal Farm.continuing post by cooleo:
You are entitled to your position, and your own point of views, with your own vision of the political situation in Singapore.
And i certainly stick to my guns that the writer i quoted was a remarkable thinker. Strong forceful arguments with great conviction. To sum it up, losers will always be the ones complaining about PAP. Either they can't afford to migrate, or they are too timid to do so. Or maybe they need a step-by-step instruction manual published by PAP to teach them how to migrate?
My grateful thanks for the opportunity of responding to your article about the supposed 'Great Brain' whom you believe have made such a strong defense of the position of the Ruling Party.
Hopefully, it would have counter balanced your posted article with the real life events that had been avoided by your writer, whom you promoted as having such a Great Brain.
It will be interesting if you can unravel my posts that was made in response to that wierd article that you have adopted with such misplaced and ardent passion. -
Is your father a opposition party member? Dun be a d**khead! Ppl who support PAP does not equate to being related to them. It's a matter of shared beliefs. Ok going to profound theories now, so maybe i should go easy on u.Originally posted by paperchicken:Is your father a PAP minister? You so supportive of them. BTW ppl fall onto MRT tracks because there were not enough safety precautions. Tell your father to do something about it. I thank you on behalf of everybody here.
As for ppl falling down mrt platforms, can u prevent stupid ppl from doing stupid things? Common sense tells u that when u feel GIDDY, dun step across the yellow line. No, it does not make u less giddy. Yes, it does help u to achieve your aim of committing suicide which is your true intention. Thank you. End of speech.