Is SDP anti-Singapore ?
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Originally posted by paperchicken:
How does World War I beginning with an assassination be related to the manner in which Dr Chee handled the 'Tudung' issue ?
It takes only a spark to start a fire.
World War I began with the assassination in Sarajevo organized by Serb nationalists.
Just look at the way Chee handled the tudung issue.
How did Dr Chee handled the 'Tudung' issue ?
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i'm not a christian, why should i believe jesus is the son of god when i do not believe in god?Originally posted by Atobe:What do you not agree with that was written about Jesus ?
The fact remains that He was laughed at by His fellow Jews when He dare to claim to be the Son of God, and to save the Jews from hell ?
Or simply the similarities with Singaporeans laughing at Dr Chee for trying to get Singaporeans to believe that he is a Singapore Son, and suitable to be a candidate to represent Singaporeans ?
and as for chee, i see no reason not to laugh at him unless he actually stops acting so irrationally, and starts showing what the years of education and life have taught him -
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
Perhaps you will be one of those who will also laugh at the Prince, who was eccentric enough to give up his status and live an examplary life of a simple human and entered a world of constant peace in meditation ?
i'm not a christian, why should i believe jesus is the son of god when i do not believe in god?
Heard of Budha ?
Whether it is Jesus or Budha, this is not the issue which you are trivialising, and have missed the crux of the post.continuing post by oldbreadstinks:
This is the kind of boastful and condescending attitude of a typical small time Singaporean, who will laugh at others, but will not even make any commitment of equal significance towards Singapore - good or bad.
and as for chee, i see no reason not to laugh at him unless he actually stops acting so irrationally, and starts showing what the years of education and life have taught him
Can yourself even be a candle to outshine Dr Chee - in terms of educational qualification, or even in terms of your own decision in achieving even some useful purpose in Life that is of some simple significance ?
What may be irrational to you, may not necessarily be to him, who are you to pass judgment and ridicule the efforts made by others ?
As was indicated in my last post, it is seldom that the people of the same period will ever appreciate the efforts of those few supposed eccentrics.
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I do not see why must we support SDP so we can seem democratic, people can support whichever party they want. Atobe seems to be against people who have different opinions than himself/herself, does it seem democratic? I will not critisize that because everyone is free to speak for themself, simple as that.
One more thing, debate is debate, but when you want to deal with such an important issue, evidence, proof, history, track records and cold hard results are the most important issues here. You can claim PAP is screwing up Singapore's economy with a proven results to back up your claim otherwise everything is simply hotair, no better than sec school students' class debate session, that everyone forgets after 30 mins recess. If this is how people treat world issues, than I would rather miss the show altogether.Common sense will help to find the proof, and it is more telling when the Singapore Police do not seem to take any interest or any action to investigate the source of the virus attack.
To accuse is to charge someone with a fault, you are charging that the Singapore Police do not seem to take any interests or any action in investigating the source of the virus attack. To accuse someone, you need evidence or a source of reason for this charge, in place of that, you selected an ambigious "common sense".
To state how efficient Singapore Police is, is not my league, however, that is a very lousy reason to define an accusation. But I do agree with the time taken to resolve cases in Singapore is quite lengthy, however, if you should compare with our neighbouring nations, its worse.
And it is also true that our leaders are the publicly highest paid politicians in the world, but whether it is justified, I know I am unable to make a correct and clear judgement, so this is my stand. A politician's pay is often clouted with question marks, since the dawn of time. Bad joke.
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Oh I almost forgot, no, SDP is not anti Singapore.
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Originally posted by Ito_^:
Nothing in all my posts indicate that "we must support SDP so we can seem democratic".
I do not see why must we support SDP so we can seem democratic, people can support whichever party they want. Atobe seems to be against people who have different opinions than himself/herself, does it seem democratic? I will not critisize that because everyone is free to speak for themself, simple as that.
Yes, of course, "people can support whichever party they want".
"Atobe seems to be against people who have different opinions than himself/herself, does it seem democratic ?"
How did you make this inference, when you allow yourself the fact that everyone is "free to speak for themself, simple as that" ?
Is 'Atobe' not entitled to be 'free to speak for himself or herself' - as much as you and / or others are free to post critique of my postings, even when they are read with a preferred slant of personal views and standards ?
Will you allow inaccuracies, or stupidity, or pompous claims in fact to remain without any challenge or exposure ?
'tspg' was also pushing in this sgForum for support for the Opposition, and more so towards the NSP.
At the same time he had surprisingly shown a high level of tolerance and agreement towards the Ruling Party methods of dealing with the Opposition in his postings, which begs the question if he is disguising himself as a member of the Opposition, and misleading everyone in this forum by leading them "to see the correctness" of the rulings and policies of the Ruling Party ?continuing post by Ito_^:
You are correct in holding on this laudable principle of debate.
One more thing, debate is debate, but when you want to deal with such an important issue, evidence, proof, history, track records and cold hard results are the most important issues here. You can claim PAP is screwing up Singapore's economy with a proven results to back up your claim otherwise everything is simply hotair, no better than sec school students' class debate session, that everyone forgets after 30 mins recess. If this is how people treat world issues, than I would rather miss the show altogether.
With most information that is supposedly available in the public domain all locked up into the archives of the Singapore Press Holdings and in the National Library, that remains accessible only by subscription and constant monitoring, one is left with limited information available for research.
The alternative archives available are those offered by the following sites, which requires one to visit with an open mind to the information offered:
http://www.thinkcentre.org/
http://www.singapore-window.org/
http://www.sfdonline.org/ - sadly this site has not seen any updating and regular maintenance.
http://www.amnesty.org/
http://www.newsintercom.org/
http://www.malaysiakini.com/
Then there are the various news sites such as:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/
http://www.cnn.com/
http://abcnews.go.com/
http://www.asahi.com/english/english.htmlcontinuing post by Ito_^:
Common sense will help to find the proof, and it is more telling when the Singapore Police do not seem to take any interest or any action to investigate the source of the virus attack.
Surely you will not dispute that it needs common sense before you accuse someone with a fault.
To accuse is to charge someone with a fault, you are charging that the Singapore Police do not seem to take any interests or any action in investigating the source of the virus attack. To accuse someone, you need evidence or a source of reason for this charge, in place of that, you selected an ambigious "common sense".
To state how efficient Singapore Police is, is not my league, however, that is a very lousy reason to define an accusation. But I do agree with the time taken to resolve cases in Singapore is quite lengthy, however, if you should compare with our neighbouring nations, its worse.
And it is also true that our leaders are the publicly highest paid politicians in the world, but whether it is justified, I know I am unable to make a correct and clear judgement, so this is my stand. A politician's pay is often clouted with question marks, since the dawn of time. Bad joke.
This is my personal opinion, and should be resolved as such.
In an environment where all information is treated as highly secretive and controlled, will you not depend on a great dose of one's own common sense ?
After such a long period of time, with limited information or public announcement made to the outcome of Police investigative works concerning the attack on the SDP websites, surely it reflects poorly on the Singapore Police Force.
In the tight control of the State by the Ruling Party, one can safely say that any attack on the websites of the Ruling Party or any Government Ministries, will see more efficient and speedier outcome of Police investigation; and with more publicity being given to the results.
Perhaps you are not accustomed to questioning the working standards of the Police Force, or that of Government Departments, but you will soon learn that they work best when put under public scrutiny.
If you measure one's level of standards by only comparing with the worst neighbors, there will not be much hope left for our future.
Be a little more ambitious if you want to reach World Ranking - how about the famous Swiss Standards that was highly promoted by GCT ?
Or is it time that we forget about Swiss Standards with his moving on from public office, and prepare ourselves for the future based on the standards of our neighbors ? -
Lets not talk about religion here it is a sensitive issue.
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Originally posted by paperchicken:
Who is talking about religion here ?
Lets not talk about religion here it is a sensitive issue.
Is there any writing, or analysis, or critique of any one or any religions ?
We are talking about the INDIVIDUAL Human Being being ridiculed by their peers of their own period in the History of Mankind.
Can you know how to differentiate the line of thinking ? -
PAP is doing a good job or not during the past 14 yrs,every Singaporean has their eyes to see n judge,i dont think i need other ppl to remind me of that!Originally posted by paperduck:haha..pls check the dictionary and define what the meaning of "corruption".
and same to the word "invest" .. do u clap ur hand when Singtel success in Optus? invest dont mean 100% sure profit..
btw if u hate PAP govt that much..no matter what good PAP have done..meaningless to you also.
As for the corruption part,PAP is now the "top predator" here in Singapore with no opposition parties or ppl to monitor them,how do u know they didnt corrupt by imposing so many taxing policy?
Look at the way Saddam Hussien run his country,after his fall,his countrymen were surprise to see the amount of money he had "thieve" into his pocket!He even had foreign bank account whereby money thieve from his country were kept there! -
Heard from the wrong ppl?Hell no,Taiwanese do show their respect to LDH,it is him who bring real democracy to Taiwan.You know last time,Taiwan is much more stricter than Singapore,their government is more dictatorial than us!Originally posted by sgdiehard:The KMT do not respect LDH for he betrayed the party, the very same party who put him as the first president of ROC; taiwanese from the other provinces, the wai shen ren, hate him because LDH together with ah bian were tearing taiwan society apart; the ruling party need him only to add on extra votes but ah bian and ah lian wants to stay far far away from him; the Chinese all over the world despise LDH because betrayed ROC and everybody knows he was ready to run to Japan if anything goes wrong, he even has a japanese name!
surely there are still some who stay close to LDH, but respect?? a person who betrayed his party and his country?? you have certainly heard from the wrong ppl.
But when LDH become Taiwan president,he see the ruthlessness of the communist China surpress their own ppl by massacre them in 1997.This led him determine to bring Taiwan into a real democratic country!Unlike our leader who only keen in power,he bring his country to a new height by bringing in more opposition parties n let Taiwan commoner's voice to be heard.
Taiwan now is doing much more better than Singapore in economical area,even in the "Asia crisis",they were the least affected by it.Our country leaders like to discriminate them is most probably becoz they are jealous of Taiwan government went ahead of them both in political n economical areas. -
Do u know during the last election,the PAP even have the rights to "disqualify"some of the opposition parties saying they did not send in their application form for election in time!Do u know that during the time of election,PAP keep threatening to sue the opposition members for discrimination?How can we expect to have a decent opposition parties if the PAP keep threating them like a bunch of "street hooligans"![]Originally posted by sgdiehard:Let the opposition parties rule Singapore to find out if they can do better? it is like asking a kid to fire a gun to see if he knows how to use a gun. What if he only knows how to pull the trigger but does not know how to aim? what if he is not strong enough to control the recoil? somebody else get shot! If the opposition fails, who suffer? the ppl.
The opposition need to show better alternatives, how they can do better. The ppl of singapore are not stupid. Voting for the opposition is to keep PAP in check. You can say they are using the opposition to ensure that PAP perform. But don for a moment believe that ppl want an opposition just for a change. As it is, the opposition parties are not cooperative, they do not have enough ppl to contest in all constituencies, many only work just before elections. If oppositions want to win votes just by running down PAP, they have to do a lot more. Mind you, PAP is not stupid, they know how to lure ppl to join their party.
We have also seen many opposition members ran away and lived comfortably in australia and US, after their bids in elections failed. In this aspect, ppl like Dr. Chee and Jaya remain credible opposition because they continue to stay in singapore to fight.
Even if PAP were truely rotton, we want to be sure that the opposition who take over would not be more rotton when they have the power.
Giving the opposition a free trial of ruling of singapore just to see if they can do better? this is probably just the wet dreams of some politicians wanting to become president or PM.
And also,from ur post,ur thinking is unacceptable.On one hand,u keep stepping on the opposition parties,on the other hand,u hope that our opposition is strong enough to monitor the PAP!You cant have both my friend,u lose some,u win some,u just cant have both! -
Hi Drawer,Originally posted by drawer:Do u know during the last election,the PAP even have the rights to "disqualify"some of the opposition parties saying they did not send in their application form for election in time!Do u know that during the time of election,PAP keep threatening to sue the opposition members for discrimination?How can we expect to have a decent opposition parties if the PAP keep threating them like a bunch of "street hooligans"![]
And also,from ur post,ur thinking is unacceptable.On one hand,u keep stepping on the opposition parties,on the other hand,u hope that our opposition is strong enough to monitor the PAP!You cant have both my friend,u lose some,u win some,u just cant have both!
I dun speak for other ppl but I certainly hope to see more opposition in the parliament. But only the credible and capable ones. If the candidates you mention cant even handle simple admin stuff like application forms, how well do you think they can run a comstituancy ? The opposition needs ppl of higher calibre to join them. I hope these ppl will come out and run in the next election. -
Only Chiang Kai Shek was the dictator in Taiwan, when his son Chiang Jing Guo took over in 1975, he lifted martial, allowed opposition parties to be formed and started economic reform. The current ruling party, DPP was formed in 1986 as an opposition party, two years before Chiang died. When LDH took over in 1989, Taiwan oredi has a vibrant economy with democracy. What did LDH do? amended the constitution for direct election of HIMSELF as the President of ROC, is that what you mean by "bringing real democracy" to Taiwan?Originally posted by drawer:Heard from the wrong ppl?Hell no,Taiwanese do show their respect to LDH,it is him who bring real democracy to Taiwan.You know last time,Taiwan is much more stricter than Singapore,their government is more dictatorial than us!
But when LDH become Taiwan president,he see the ruthlessness of the communist China surpress their own ppl by massacre them in 1997.This led him determine to bring Taiwan into a real democratic country!Unlike our leader who only keen in power,he bring his country to a new height by bringing in more opposition parties n let Taiwan commoner's voice to be heard.
Taiwan now is doing much more better than Singapore in economical area,even in the "Asia crisis",they were the least affected by it.Our country leaders like to discriminate them is most probably becoz they are jealous of Taiwan government went ahead of them both in political n economical areas.
LDH split KMT by chasing James Song out, james later formed the new People First Party, Lee was later fired from KMT but was not welcome in DPP so he formed the Taiwan Solidarity Union. Is this what you mean bringing "his country to a new height by bringing in more opposition parties.."??
Taiwan took the last train in the Asian Crisis. Overall thanks to China, the communists when Ju Rong ji refused to devalue RMB and thus saving China and Taiwan from being dragged in.
Singapore do not discriminate Taiwanese. Many local Taiwanese earned themselves names for being loudmouthed. They are also known in Hong kong as "got money no culture." How did Singapore discriminate them?
Singapore jealous of them? bu yao yi xiao ren zhi xin du jun zi zhi fu.
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As a political party, they have their own vision, which leads to their goals and ideals. As with any body fully supportive of the expression of one's ideas without persecution, they should have a right to state, and fight for their stand in the matter, regardless of how the rest of us will disagree with.
There is no reason to put someone down for his belief, unless it is a dangerous faith which could eventually lead him to do something to endanger our lives. Notwithstanding that, he should be free to speak his mind without any personal attacks.
Of course, his ideas are up for debate, as there are compelling reasons as to why certain views are more prevalent than others, and such reasons might cause people to switch stands; however, debate should not include personal attacks on one's character, which is a severly underhanded method to use in a fair sparring of ideas.
SDP advocates muslim girls to wear the Tudung to secular classes. They have a reason for that! Their ideal is to promote freedom of expression, which is what is written in our constitution, yet is hardly practised successfully. The PAP administration disallows the practice for fear of a social gap. Both are valid viewpoints, and as such the issue is up for debate. What I do not understand is why some people, especially certain PAP members, start personal attacks upon the opposing side? Has political debate degenerated to such an extent that the few politicians left here need to smear personal mud on one another, instead of targetting policies/ideas?
A visit to the SDP's website has proven their consistency in discussing ideals/policies, and so far, they have not engaged in personal attacks, such as printing disparaging claims that "So and so is strangulating Singapore!" Using labels such as that in the topic title are examples of generalisation meant towards facilitating personal attacks. Note that I mentioned "facilitate". The title itself does not state much, however, the debate it incites polarises the debaters into two camps, each defending or attacking the integrity of the party. -
Fully agree with tspg's post. I do not contradict myself. What I want to add is that opposition parties are not born out of warm bed. Even LKY had to walk in tight balance among the communists, the british, the malayan government and the multi racial ppl in singapore before he was finally accepted. PAP threaten opposition parties, opposition parties discredit PAP....this is part of the game. Nobody groom opposition parties!!Originally posted by drawer:Do u know during the last election,the PAP even have the rights to "disqualify"some of the opposition parties saying they did not send in their application form for election in time!Do u know that during the time of election,PAP keep threatening to sue the opposition members for discrimination?How can we expect to have a decent opposition parties if the PAP keep threating them like a bunch of "street hooligans"![]
And also,from ur post,ur thinking is unacceptable.On one hand,u keep stepping on the opposition parties,on the other hand,u hope that our opposition is strong enough to monitor the PAP!You cant have both my friend,u lose some,u win some,u just cant have both!
If opposition cannot stand ppl like me stepping them, then indeed they do not qualify to watch over the PAP. This I agree with you. -
I just dont like the way the PAP step on the opposition parties,they disqualify some of them in the elction,they sue them after the election for discrimination,forcing some of them to run to other countries,or stay behind n declare bankruptcy,have total control over the media to flame opposition etc.....u know what,they are not acting like a gentleman but like a bunch of gangsters,thats what i dont like!And they claim their action against opposition are legit,HAHAHA!PAP is always a joker when comes to politics,thats why we Singaporeans always like to talk about them after lunch time!
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
"LKY walk in tight balance among the communists, the british, the malayan government and the multi racial ppl in singapore before he was finally accepted" ?
Fully agree with tspg's post. I do not contradict myself. What I want to add is that opposition parties are not born out of warm bed. Even LKY had to walk in tight balance among the communists, the british, the malayan government and the multi racial ppl in singapore before he was finally accepted. PAP threaten opposition parties, opposition parties discredit PAP....this is part of the game. Nobody groom opposition parties!!
If opposition cannot stand ppl like me stepping them, then indeed they do not qualify to watch over the PAP. This I agree with you.
LKY was sleeping with the Communists, and worked with them, as they had the organisation control of the workers in Singapore, and LKY represented the Workers' Unions (mostly affiliated and lean towards Communist and/or Socialist ideologies); and the British Colonial Government was worried that a British trained Lawyer is working so closely with the Communist controlled Trade Unions, and representing them in the Courts.
LKY defended Singapore Rights to Trade Unionism, Freedom of Speech - which then included the Right to Gather, to Public Protest that include Demonstration and Strikes PEACEFULLY.
Once with Political Power in hand, LKY changed course, and somehow withdrew his stand concerning Singapore Rights to the Freedom in Trade Unionism, and believe that Trade Unions should "work with" the Government and have a seat in Government.
This was a grand idea except that instead of the Trade Union having a seat in Government, the reverse is true - in that it is the Government having the MAIN CHAIR in the Trade Union Movement.
Forget about Singaporean Rights to the Freedom of Speech, which included the Rights to Gather, to Public Protests - which included the Right to Demonstrate and Strike Peacefully.
Was LKY accepted by the British Colonial Rulers ? He was watched by the Internal Security Department of the British Colonial Government, who preferred giving LKY the benefit of the doubt, due to his brilliant Cambridge University education, and was accepted by the British Colonial Rulers.
Was LKY accepted by the Malayan Government - (later renamed as the Malaysian Federal Government) ?
Hardly ever, until this year 2004.
LKY's ambitions was far bigger then the size of Singapore Island and caused continuous frictions with the Federal Government that led to Singapore being kicked out of the Federation of Malaysia.
His grand ideas of a mult-racial was not quite fine tuned in the 1950s and the 1960s, as he was strongly against Chinese Chauvinism, due to the close association of the general Chinese education foundations being naturally linked with Communist China.
While stating equality for all in a multi-racial country, LKY had spoken out many times about the lingering questions of being in an Emergency Situation - if a Singaporean Malay will ever pull the trigger to shoot someone from his own racial group from Malaya.
Somehow he has no doubt that a Singapore Chinese will shoot a fellow Chinese of Malaysian stock, or even from Mainland China; or if a Singapore Indian will not be shooting another Indian from Malaysia; nor did he express his doubt that a Singapore Eurasian will not shoot an Eurasian from the Malaysia under the same circumstances.
Yes, the Ruling Party can discredit the Opposition Parties with the harhest and most insulting vocabulary WITH NO CONSEQUENCES. However, can the Opposition Parties discredit the Ruling Party without the risks of having their personal clothing being ripped from them, as compensation ?
While we do not expect Opposition Parties to be groomed by the Ruling Party, the minimum expections will be for the Ruling Party NOT TO BE A HINDRANCE to the development of a strong and disciplined Oppostion Party or Parties. -
I am both amazed and inspired by the rebutes made by Atobe. It shows that even in a masked democratic society that we live in, people can still judge the right from wrong and view political issues with in depth understanding;with reference to many sources across the web.
However,given the one up manship and undisputed order of dictatorship maintained by the ruling party, the fruit of all discussions will still lead to despair for the current generation.
Looking on the bright side, the next generation of Singaporeans will stand a much better chance in the political arena due to the expotential increase of knowledge and information brought to them. Death is something even our lao Lee cannot fight. Without the political dominance and influence of lky and other aging sentinels and heavyweights in the ruling party, color can be then added to our otherwise dull and bleak political scene. -
Is PAP a hindrance to the development of a strong opposition? yes. but it is natural and unavoidable.Originally posted by Atobe:"LKY walk in tight balance among the communists, the british, the malayan government and the multi racial ppl in singapore before he was finally accepted" ?
LKY was sleeping with the Communists, and worked with them, as they had the organisation control of the workers in Singapore, and LKY represented the Workers' Unions (mostly affiliated and lean towards Communist and/or Socialist ideologies); and the British Colonial Government was worried that a British trained Lawyer is working so closely with the Communist controlled Trade Unions, and representing them in the Courts.
LKY defended Singapore Rights to Trade Unionism, Freedom of Speech - which then included the Right to Gather, to Public Protest that include Demonstration and Strikes PEACEFULLY.
Once with Political Power in hand, LKY changed course, and somehow withdrew his stand concerning Singapore Rights to the Freedom in Trade Unionism, and believe that Trade Unions should "work with" the Government and have a seat in Government.
This was a grand idea except that instead of the Trade Union having a seat in Government, the reverse is true - in that it is the Government having the MAIN CHAIR in the Trade Union Movement.
Forget about Singaporean Rights to the Freedom of Speech, which included the Rights to Gather, to Public Protests - which included the Right to Demonstrate and Strike Peacefully.
Was LKY accepted by the British Colonial Rulers ? He was watched by the Internal Security Department of the British Colonial Government, who preferred giving LKY the benefit of the doubt, due to his brilliant Cambridge University education, and was accepted by the British Colonial Rulers.
Was LKY accepted by the Malayan Government - (later renamed as the Malaysian Federal Government) ?
Hardly ever, until this year 2004.
LKY's ambitions was far bigger then the size of Singapore Island and caused continuous frictions with the Federal Government that led to Singapore being kicked out of the Federation of Malaysia.
His grand ideas of a mult-racial was not quite fine tuned in the 1950s and the 1960s, as he was strongly against Chinese Chauvinism, due to the close association of the general Chinese education foundations being naturally linked with Communist China.
While stating equality for all in a multi-racial country, LKY had spoken out many times about the lingering questions of being in an Emergency Situation - if a Singaporean Malay will ever pull the trigger to shoot someone from his own racial group from Malaya.
Somehow he has no doubt that a Singapore Chinese will shoot a fellow Chinese of Malaysian stock, or even from Mainland China; or if a Singapore Indian will not be shooting another Indian from Malaysia; nor did he express his doubt that a Singapore Eurasian will not shoot an Eurasian from the Malaysia under the same circumstances.
Yes, the Ruling Party can discredit the Opposition Parties with the harhest and most insulting vocabulary WITH NO CONSEQUENCES. However, can the Opposition Parties discredit the Ruling Party without the risks of having their personal clothing being ripped from them, as compensation ?
While we do not expect Opposition Parties to be groomed by the Ruling Party, the minimum expections will be for the Ruling Party NOT TO BE A HINDRANCE to the development of a strong and disciplined Oppostion Party or Parties.
First of all nobody can dispute the achievement of singapore. It is extremely difficult for the opposition to find any even better alternatives to convince the ppl to make changes. There is nothing the opposition can do.
Secondly, PAP continue to field more new and better candidates at each election, more than the opposition parties put together. We may not like lao lee and even xiao lee, but there are still Teo CH, George Yeo......we can't say we don't like all of them. In the meantime, opposition strong men are still only Chiam, Low......and Chee (who is not much of a fight.)
We cannot expect the opposition parties to be strong only when relative to a weak PAP. The reality is that PAP is strong and opposition parties therefore need to be even stronger, if they want to be of any impact.
Politics is never clean. Look at Taiwan, it took LDH to split KMT from within for ah bian of DPP to be elected. See what DDP did to switch the votes, the bullets that could turn in flight, simultaneous voting of president and memorandum, military not allowed to vote..... Singaporean politicians should never resort to such tricks.
What else can they do to grow? I don't know. They have to count on themselves, for a start, at least make sure that each of them keeps their accounts clean; plan their attack, especially against PAP members, be united during election.....
As far as PAP is concerned, the only thing you can count on them is that they would continue to attack the opposition parties whenever, and wherever possible. That is politics and they are politicians. -
Bugger SDP with a pine cone, I say. If that bastad Chee was alive in the 1930s, he would probably be a Nazi. Bloody agitator, I bet 80% of SG doesn't give a hoot if the son of a bitch dies on his heroic hunger strike
I am especially impressed by his fuking stupidity regarding the tudung issue. True, we do have race problems in Singapore, but purposely provoking so as to cause dissention and communal tension is attacking the stability of our nation. I may not like some PAP policies, but I admire them for bringing us to the stage where we can stay at home and complain over the internet instead of starving on the street.
That fateha.com guy is also an asshole. Sure we need to discuss racial issues, but surely we can do it in a civilized manner, not like Chee who screams on his soapbox like some Hitler wannabe or like this Osama worshipper.
Thanks to the efforts of Chee, the opposition has lost alll credibilty. And no, I don't agree that PAP is the cause of it. People have voted SDP over PAP b4 (Bukit Gombak) when they are unhappy. Its because of Chee, thats why, and Steve Chia.
The only opposition leaders I admire are Chiam See Tong and JBJ, who sadly the PAP forced into bankrupcy. If we had more leaders like them, we defintiely would have an opposition capable of standing up to the ruling party.
BTW, Francis Seow can stay in the US and that Chinese racist fellow can stay in AUstralia. We don't need them. Chee is invited to migrate too