Why do the Iraqi insurgents pick on Fellow Asians ?
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With most Asians struggling to make a living, and prepared to risk the war zone conditions in Iraq, why do the Iraqi insurgents pick on fellow Asians as easy meat to be held hostage and ransom the Coalition Forces, and kill these Asian hostages to deprive their impoverished families of any income ?
Killing 12 Nepalese at one go is certainly the ultimate in brutality towards one fellow man, and worse still in the casual manner to kill Fellow Asians in such unprecedented numbers.
Militants kill 12 Nepal hostages
One man apparently beheaded, 11 shot in head
Tuesday, August 31, 2004 Posted: 2:14 PM EDT (1814 GMT)
(CNN) -- Iraqi militants have killed 12 Nepalis they captured just over a week ago, the militants and a Nepalese official said Tuesday.
It was the largest mass killing of captives in the grueling war against the insurgency that has followed the toppling of Saddam Hussein.
A Web site associated with a group calling itself Jaish Ansar al-Sunna posted gruesome still images and video of militants beheading one of the Nepalis and shooting to death 11 more as they lay on the ground face down.
Nepal's ambassador to Qatar, Somananda Suman, confirmed the deaths in an interview on the Arabic-language television network Al-Jazeera.
The still images on the Web site appear to have been taken from the video.
Jaish Ansar al-Sunna, which claimed August 23 to have kidnapped the 12 Nepalis, said they were killed "for their cooperation with the United States in fighting Islam and its people."
The group described the men as working for a Nepalese company that works under a Jordanian firm doing business in Iraq.
The killings nearly double the number of hostages believed to have been killed in Iraq, and are by far the largest number of captives to be killed at once.
The claims come at a time that another Islamic group is holding two French journalists hostage, threatening to kill them unless the government of France revokes a law banning Muslim girls from wearing head scarves in state schools. (Full story)
Iyad Mansoor, director-general of the Morning Star Company, a Jordan-based services firm which had contracted the 12 Nepalese workers for jobs in Iraq, told The Associated Press he was shocked to hear the news.
"The last I heard was that the Nepalese government was in contact with Iraqi clergymen and others in an effort to set the 12 men free."
Journalist Akhilesh Upadhyay told CNN from Nepal that the news had been greeted from the men's families with shock.
Sudarshan Khadka, 23, the elder brother of hostage Ramesh Khadka, 19, told him he had just heard the news and was not sure whether it was true but was "stunned." He did not know how to break the news to his parents, he said.
The brother of hostage Ramesh Khadka, Sudarshan Khadka, said he did not know how to tell his parents.
CNN has confirmed 23 hostages killed by militants in Iraq. The dead include one American, two Bulgarians, a Dane, two Italians, one Lebanese, two Pakistanis, a South Korean, a Turk and the 12 Nepalis.
In four other incidents, different groups have claimed to have killed hostages, but CNN has been unable to independently confirm any of the information.
In the most recent, a video posted in early August shows a man claiming to be an Egyptian spying for the Americans before he is decapitated.
A video in which militants shoot and kill a man they identify as U.S. Army Reserve Spec.. Keith Matthew Maupin -- reportedly captured in April -- was released in June. U.S. officials were unable to identify the man as Maupin, however.
In a third incident, two Germans were believed captured and killed in April.
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Because the westerners go around with armed escorts. The asian coolies such as truck drivers are easier targets.
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Also because we gave in more easily eg. philippinesOriginally posted by paperchicken:Because the westerners go around with armed escorts. The asian coolies such as truck drivers are easier targets. -
Are these Religious Insurgents finally revealing their most basic character of merely being RACIST ?
Killing 12 Nepalese - who are unarmed and helpless, and not even in the service of the US ?
The Insurgents would have made a better impact by kidnapping and killing 12 young American soldiers, who are green and inexperienced to the hostile Iraqi environment.
It would at least serve more credibility to their cause of getting rid of the occupiers of their soil.
Is it heroic to the cause of the Insurgents, by targetting helpless and unarmed Asians, who are in Iraq only to make a living and to help in the reconstruction of Iraq ?
They are merely cowards by not directly taking on the US Soldiers, and targetting unarmed and helpless Civilians - whether Asians or of any Race. -
It is not easy to kidnap 12 american soldier especially when u have poorer technology, outnumbered, out supplied, they have weopons with them and patrol in groups or armoured vehicle with reinenforcement near. Maybe they do attempt to kidnap them but sadly they r most likely to have died on the attempt.
Though it is true some of them r uneducated and just kidnap anyone they can find.. even french...
In the end they do made the costs of reconstruction for Iraq higher, which will make it harder for US to continue their occupation too. These asian r recruited by the US linked or approved "allies" companies... no ? -
The insurgents had no problem in kidnapping a few US soldiers before, and have succeeded in killing over 700 US soldiers since the War was declared by President Bush to be over.
They were more poorly organised before and yet could achieve so much, and are even better organised today by making themselves almost impossible to be traced by the US Military.
Poorly equipped but with only pure and total fanaticism to their Cause - that is the hallmark of insurgency.
They could have serve their cause better by putting their gun sights and hatred in the right direction - much like the Palestinians directing their rage toward Israeli Military, and with the Palestinian terror groups aiming both the Israeli Military and Civilians. -
The insurgents had no problem in kidnapping a few US soldiers before, and have succeeded in killing over 700 US soldiers since the War was declared by President Bush to be over.
They do kidnap american soldiers before. Their objective have not really strayed away. I am pretty sure they wouldn't mind capturing more american soldiers if possible.
They were more poorly organised before and yet could achieve so much, and are even better organised today by making themselves almost impossible to be traced by the US Military.
Poorly equipped but with only pure and total fanaticism to their Cause - that is the hallmark of insurgency.
They could have serve their cause better by putting their gun sights and hatred in the right direction - much like the Palestinians directing their rage toward Israeli Military, and with the Palestinian terror groups aiming both the Israeli Military and Civilians.
They do make things more difficult to the american by kidnapping the workers. Now people r more reluctant to go to iraq to work, and insurance r asking for a higher premiun. When iraq is not progressing, it do make america look worse and their companies not making a profit as they pictured. Overall their objectives have been reached. Make lives difficult for the americans. -
Its difficult to kidnap US soldiers now because they always go out in full force with armour and helicopter support. Civilian contractors are easier targets.
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Achieving the same objectives of making the American lives more difficult ?
They do kidnap american soldiers before. Their objective have not really strayed away. I am pretty sure they wouldn't mind capturing more american soldiers if possible.
They do make things more difficult to the american by kidnapping the workers. Now people r more reluctant to go to iraq to work, and insurance r asking for a higher premiun. When iraq is not progressing, it do make america look worse and their companies not making a profit as they pictured. Overall their objectives have been reached. Make lives difficult for the americans.
It still boils down to the Iraqi insurgents not having the guts to combat the Americans.
You missed the the subject by digressing into the objectives of the Insurgents, which is not the concern in this discussion of Asian Lives.
The main point is 'Why target fellow Asians - killing 12 Nepalese at one go ? "
Do the Iraqi Insurgents - being native Arabs - consider themselves more superior than other Asians or not part of the Asian Community in any way ?
Are the Nepalese lives so worthless that all TWELVE Nepalese can be executed at one go, instead of killing one at a time over the next few days, weeks or months ? -
Superficial pro american answer:
Its coz the'rre yall a bunch of dimwitted Atheist! CoMMUNIST Slopish RAGheads who all wanna bring our country down to the ashes, they take our planes outta da sky and crash em through our buildings for their jyhad against our christian way of life!!
Politically Correct GP answer: They are frustrated and find it easier to kidnap easier targets than americans under armed escort, so that they can use the hostages as bargaining tools with the americans later on. Or at least such kidnapping is done to bring world attention to their situation, which they feel is unfair. -
who cares wot dey were thinking? its bout blardy time we nuked dem all
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US care because Iraq has oil.
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Low class people who should have been put to the sword by Gengis Khan, great Asian hero.
But there are stupid people today who see them as examples to the flock, so they dress like Arabs, thinking that it make them more holy, rejecting their own cultural dress which is also modest enough.......
Not to forget Singapore's very own JI convert John Wong ah Hung (Arifin Ali) who planned to kill innocents in Thailand.............. -
Achieving the same objectives of making the American lives more difficult ?
U can't deny tat kidnapping these workers do achieve tis effect.It still boils down to the Iraqi insurgents not having the guts to combat the Americans.
Everyday I see clashes between the american soldiers and Iraqis people. Do they really have no guts to combat the american ? Sometimes it is wise to be realistic. If they hit the american head on, it will be the case of an egg smashing against a rock. I think it is dumb to throw away their lives meaninglesssly by launching an attack against a force too much stronger head on. For insurgents, they r known to have hit anyone, anywhere and anytime. Tat is one of their strength.You missed the the subject by digressing into the objectives of the Insurgents, which is not the concern in this discussion of Asian Lives.
U missed the point tat these workers r helping the american companies. Look at Philipines, these form of attacks do work better than brainlessly attack US troops.The main point is 'Why target fellow Asians - killing 12 Nepalese at one go ? "
Because they r working for the american ? They certainly discouraged a lot of country to stop sending troops and help for the US isn't it ?
Do the Iraqi Insurgents - being native Arabs - consider themselves more superior than other Asians or not part of the Asian Community in any way ?
Frankly, I do not see why do u say they feel more superior than Asians when they killed the nepalese. They kill a lot of other nationals too. Does tat mean they feel more superior than the rest of the world ? American also kill a lot of Iraqis too, so american must have feel more superior than iraqis ? Heck, vietnam had killed a lot of american and vice versa int he past too. Why do u make tat statement ?Are the Nepalese lives so worthless that all TWELVE Nepalese can be executed at one go, instead of killing one at a time over the next few days, weeks or months ?
They r in Iraq, they should probably know they have a higher tendency to die there. Tat explains for their high pay isn't it. 12 Nepalese at one go... sad to say there has been so much killing in Iraq during these few years tat I begin to feel imune to it. In the war and the months after, several ten of thousands Iraqis r killed while millions of their lives has been ruined. The americans even drop a bomb at a couple wedding, killing tens of people instantly. Every day there r reports of insurgents killed by the americans. R the iraqis lives so worthless tat they r executed at one go ? Wat is 12 person lives compared with these figures ? If u want to blame, u should blame why does the war has to start. -
This is an ego-centric world.
When Singapore foreign minister and PM Goh decided to be on high-profile with all the announcements made that Terrorism is a threat to the world and take the side of US as against most of the European countries etc, the decision was already made by Al-Qaeda what they want to do with Singapore.
They are now planning the move against Singapore based on the causality principle.
Now if Singapore is to reverse that planned action against itself, it has to seriously consider the following:-
(1) Send a strong signal from Muslim leaders in Singapore to Iraq and Al-Qaeda fraternity that Singapore muslims are part of government efforts aimed at resolving conflicts between brothers of muslims and non-muslims.
(2) Send aids that help to re-build the muslim communities in some way within our means.
(3) Work with muslim communities to make them understand Singapore's multi-racial and multi-religious approach to nation building. Let them see the alternative to violence and vengeance on religious ground.
(4) Play down the dare-to-do it high-profile foreign policy as mild and neutral one backed by military might or defence capacity is far more effective than equalisation or containment. -
Originally posted by stupidissmart:
The answer to your question was already posted - as shown in my post below which you have quoted.
Achieving the same objectives of making the American lives more difficult ? [/quote]
U can't deny tat kidnapping these workers do achieve tis effect.
The ends justifying the means ?continuing post by stupidissmart:
Everyday I see clashes between the american soldiers and Iraqis people. Do they really have no guts to combat the american ? Sometimes it is wise to be realistic. If they hit the american head on, it will be the case of an egg smashing against a rock. I think it is dumb to throw away their lives meaninglesssly by launching an attack against a force too much stronger head on. For insurgents, they r known to have hit anyone, anywhere and anytime. Tat is one of their strength.
It still boils down to the Iraqi insurgents not having the guts to combat the Americans.
Clashes ?
Or just pin pricks in hit, run and hide ?
The one prolonged clash had ended in Najaf City, where the RELIGIOUS insurgents from the Shiite Community - (not the terrorists-kidnappers) - had used the cover of the famous Mosque simply to RESIST the US led forces.
Not exactly a classic clash in military terms.
The Vietcongs during the Vietnam War had similar limited resources, and yet was able to conduct impressive military raids and attacks that overwhelmed and surprised American forces during the Vietnam War.
The VC did not resort to cowardly acts of kidnapping civilians for ransom to achieve their political or military objectives.
continuing post by stupidissmart:
U missed the point tat these workers r helping the american companies. Look at Philipines, these form of attacks do work better than brainlessly attack US troops.
You missed the the subject by digressing into the objectives of the Insurgents, which is not the concern in this discussion of Asian Lives.
So again, the ends justify the means ?
continuing post by stupidissmart:
Because they r working for the american ? They certainly discouraged a lot of country to stop sending troops and help for the US isn't it ?
The main point is 'Why target fellow Asians - killing 12 Nepalese at one go ? "
Do the Iraqi Insurgents - being native Arabs - consider themselves more superior than other Asians or not part of the Asian Community in any way ?
According to the Straits Times News Report dated 1 September 2004 -
In a separate CNN report, these 12 Nepalese were working for a Jordanian Company, trucking goods to service the Iraqi Economy.
The kidnappers had demanded that Nepal stop sending its citizens to work in Iraq, although the government already banned them from doing so because of safety concerns, and it also had rejected US requests to contribute troops. But many people from this impoverished Himalayan nation work abroad, and Nepalese are known to work for foreign contractors in Iraq.
Nepal's ambassador to Qatar, Mr Shyamananda Suman, who handles the country's affairs in the Persian Gulf region, told The Associated Press his government tried to make contact with the militants holding the 12 Nepalese.
'There were no demands from the kidnappers to negotiate, and then all of a sudden we hear that they killed them,' he said.
'We wanted to get in touch with the kidnappers, but there was no way to do so. I talked to the media and appealed to the kidnappers to set them free or at least to know their demands, but all that went in vain.' ]
The US Military DO NOT need private Arab Logistic Contractors when the US Military have their own military logistics support arm.
continuing post by stupidissmart:
Frankly, I do not see why do u say they feel more superior than Asians when they killed the nepalese. They kill a lot of other nationals too. Does tat mean they feel more superior than the rest of the world ? American also kill a lot of Iraqis too, so american must have feel more superior than iraqis ? Heck, vietnam had killed a lot of american and vice versa int he past too. Why do u make tat statement ?
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Are the Nepalese lives so worthless that all TWELVE Nepalese can be executed at one go, instead of killing one at a time over the next few days, weeks or months ? They r in Iraq, they should probably know they have a higher tendency to die there. Tat explains for their high pay isn't it. 12 Nepalese at one go... sad to say there has been so much killing in Iraq during these few years tat I begin to feel imune to it. In the war and the months after, several ten of thousands Iraqis r killed while millions of their lives has been ruined. The americans even drop a bomb at a couple wedding, killing tens of people instantly. Every day there r reports of insurgents killed by the americans. R the iraqis lives so worthless tat they r executed at one go ? Wat is 12 person lives compared with these figures ? If u want to blame, u should blame why does the war has to start.
Too bad if you cannot see the significance in killing TWELVE Nepalese at one go, as when the Terrorists took their time to kill one European at a time, when they had three or four, and subsequently releasing the remaining survivors.
The war has already started, with or without the Americans - the Iraqis would have been slowly murdered by Saddam Hussein or his two Sons, and their henchmen; as have been documents made of their reign of terror over the last thirty years.
The point remain is that Fellow Asians are in Iraq, as they are in almost every country in the world - danger zones as well as dangerous jobs included - to earn and support their families; and at the same time contribute to the betterment of lives for the Iraqis.
Why target these helpless Asian compatriots in the manner that they have treated the Nepalese ?
Are the Nepalese lives less valuable than the single Filippino, when the Terrorists did not even bother to have a channel of communication ? -
Only thing is because they want Asians to back out cooperating with the US as they find the war is against them
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Well... ultimately through their actions, everyone will pull out of Iraqi leaving that place in a messy... it becomes a lose lose situtation for all. The real bastards are the US here.
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Well, after this, I think that sometimes there can be no grey areas with respect to terrorism.Should we negotiate?Hasn't history shown us far enough that strength and overwhelming power is the victor?Repugnant as it may sound, there are factions who grow weary of negotiation and peaceful means and will do just whatever it takes military to crush such insurgents in our midst.The point here is, which is the correct side and are we on that right side.Only history will judge.Personally, I will take the more civil of the two.The United States may be overbearing, trying to bully its way around internationally and disregard the usual realpolitik that encompasses international relations.Still, they are not at that base, barbaric level in which these animals have descended to.Due to the fear of reforming their own society to advance in the world, they are trying to bring down your world and mine in order to suit their twisted mind.There is no alternative, it's my way or the highway, as they might say.
Give me a rifle today and a insurgent in my sights, and I swear to God I will gun him down to prevent one extra risk to civility.Call me equal to him if you want, but he would have died more humanely and less psychologically shocking than the butchering of fellow Asians by Iraqi militants. -
All I can say it is the same as the Israeli-Palestine conflict. As long as the Jews don't give way, they will get their just desserts. Same for the Iraqi case, as long as USA does not see the err of its ways, these things will continue.
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could it be because nobody wanna get involved in Iraq war and nobody wanna help USA? As such, the US decided to fund the insurgents to kill those whose countries did not help USA?
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Originally posted by 2004Lancer:
"USA fund the insurgents to kill those whose countries did not help USA ? "
could it be because nobody wanna get involved in Iraq war and nobody wanna help USA? As such, the US decided to fund the insurgents to kill those whose countries did not help USA?
How do you explain the kidnapping of two Japanese hostages, when Japan had sent troops to particpate in the fight against terrorism, with the US MILITARY ? -
News just released - two FRENCH Journalists have been released.
So the lives of TWELVE Nepalese are cheaper than TWO French journalists ? -
The ends justifying the means ?
So wat do u propose for them to achieve the end ? Sad to say, this seems to be one of the most effective way for them to achieve the effect of making US lives harder. U don't expect them to just blindly attack fortified american troops and dying in the processClashes ?
As said before, they r insurgents. Outnumbered, poorly equipped, lack of technology, poorer in organising and training. U really think they should just attack dumbly and die in the process isn't it ? There r several large scale attacks on american troops isn't it ? The losses tend to be on the iraqis side since they r really much weaker than the americans.
Or just pin pricks in hit, run and hide ?The one prolonged clash had ended in Najaf City, where the RELIGIOUS insurgents from the Shiite Community - (not the terrorists-kidnappers) - had used the cover of the famous Mosque simply to RESIST the US led forces.
Wat will u do if u r them ? R u going to dumbly attack their armoured vehicle with your pistol with 3 bullets ? They r desperate and they have a great disadvantage militarily over them.The Vietcongs during the Vietnam War had similar limited resources, and yet was able to conduct impressive military raids and attacks that overwhelmed and surprised American forces during the Vietnam War.
Vietnam is many years ago, with lots of forest and the american r not prepared for such warfare. Now, american weopons have increase in sophistication, have a greater number in iraq than in vietnam, carry the past experience of vietnam and other related warfare and there r little terrain advantage such as forest etc. It is already a different story.In a separate CNN report, these 12 Nepalese were working for a Jordanian Company, trucking goods to service the Iraqi Economy.
So ? The companies r american allies companies isn't it ? Wat is the end effect ? The nepal gov curbing the peopel from going over to iraq for work, news report showing more instability of iraq thus making things harder to the american eventually. Although I sympathise their plight, but I cannot really blame these people but only on why they were occupied.
The US Military DO NOT need private Arab Logistic Contractors when the US Military have their own military logistics support arm.Too bad if you cannot see the significance in killing TWELVE Nepalese at one go, as when the Terrorists took their time to kill one European at a time, when they had three or four, and subsequently releasing the remaining survivors.
Wat is the significance ? Do u see the significance when american drop a bomb into a couple wedding and many lives r lost ? R u racist yourself, to react on the death of 12 people while ignoring the lives of thousands of iraqis ?The war has already started, with or without the Americans - the Iraqis would have been slowly murdered by Saddam Hussein or his two Sons, and their henchmen; as have been documents made of their reign of terror over the last thirty years.
Documents ? u mean documents from the failed intelligence from US and British ? Sorry man, the document r the reports from these so called intelligence which also stated tat there r WMD in Iraq. They r so confident in their agency tat they totally ignored the UN weopon inspectors pleas to prolonged their investigations. Now they have "kicked" open the doors and "killed" everyone in sight.. and embarrassingly found nothing.. wat can they say now ?
Slowly murdered ? Isn't more Iraqis murdered now ? More people have been dead and killed than all the years under Saddam control combined. U prefer slowly murder on all killed in one strike ? American r not any better when dealing with control Iraq too isn't it ? There r almost killing everyday, abuse and killing of prisoners and innocent r victims as well. The only difference is, Ameican kill more people than Saddam. BTW there r many other countries tat have citizens being slowly murderd as well. Why not "liberate" them too ? Isn't the war already "waged" since they r traumatised ? Why the double standard ?The point remain is that Fellow Asians are in Iraq, as they are in almost every country in the world - danger zones as well as dangerous jobs included - to earn and support their families; and at the same time contribute to the betterment of lives for the Iraqis.
Too bad, they r in iraq and they should know long ago tat some iraqis kidnapped and killed these people. Why they so not hold any talk baffled me too. But pushing all the blame on iraqis without mentioning the US is unfair. They r the one tat start the killings, abuse and ruining people lives first.
Why target these helpless Asian compatriots in the manner that they have treated the Nepalese ?
Are the Nepalese lives less valuable than the single Filippino, when the Terrorists did not even bother to have a channel of communication ?News just released - two FRENCH Journalists have been released.
tat should be cause for celebration since they r not as murderous as someone want to make them sound. Thousands of innocent iraqis r killed because of a war without valid reasons. So their lives r cheaper than napalese ?
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The fact that the terrorists can seize french media hostages and demand that france rescind its policy on scarves for female muslims in France tells us one very simple thing -- the policy and objectives of the terrorists is not simply the withdrawal of foreign troops from the middle-east, but the Islamization of the world as is required and dictated by the Koran. Until this goal is achieved they will not quit, they will not respect citizens of any country within their grasp, and they will conduct themselves with barbarity, with contmept, and without compassion or remorse.
The muslim world has declared war on the the rest of the world -- we just haven't recognized and accepted it yet -- this is why they will attack Americans, Europeans, Asians -- anyone not deemed muslim enough in their eyes. If moderate muslims want to avoid an all-out conflict with the West and the westernized world they had better speak up quickly and get the radicals under control or they will all perish under an ultimate western retaliation and onslaught that the muslims cannot win.
Look at Chechnyian terrorists now attacking Russian kindergartens. The Russians should resort to bloody brute force in Chechnya to eradicate the problem -- no other way out than to annilate the Chechnyian population -- and who is going to stop them? Putin should wipe Chechnya from the map, period.
Lets stop pretending that this is anything other that what it is -- a war by muslims against non-muslims. The non-muslim world has tip-toed around the basic case in order not to appear racist and judgemental -- now is the time to set aside that poltically correct behaviour which is clouding the real issue and leading to more danger globally than we should accept. For the good of all non-muslims we need to show we have the guts and determination to wipe out the aggressive stance of muslims wherever they may be and whatever the cost. The case against the nazis was no less significant and time sensitive.
Early decisive action will stand better than late uncertain commitments.
The only way to prevent an all out confrontation is for the silent majority muslims in the world to finally speak up, organize and reject the terrorist muslims. Saudi Arabia has much to answer for. Sooner or later muslims will pay the price dearly for allowing this radical terrorist element to wage war agains the rest of us.