Also because we gave in more easily eg. philippinesOriginally posted by paperchicken:Because the westerners go around with armed escorts. The asian coolies such as truck drivers are easier targets.![]()
The insurgents had no problem in kidnapping a few US soldiers before, and have succeeded in killing over 700 US soldiers since the War was declared by President Bush to be over.They do kidnap american soldiers before. Their objective have not really strayed away. I am pretty sure they wouldn't mind capturing more american soldiers if possible.
They were more poorly organised before and yet could achieve so much, and are even better organised today by making themselves almost impossible to be traced by the US Military.
Poorly equipped but with only pure and total fanaticism to their Cause - that is the hallmark of insurgency.
They could have serve their cause better by putting their gun sights and hatred in the right direction - much like the Palestinians directing their rage toward Israeli Military, and with the Palestinian terror groups aiming both the Israeli Military and Civilians.
Originally posted by stupidissmart:Achieving the same objectives of making the American lives more difficult ?
They do kidnap american soldiers before. Their objective have not really strayed away. I am pretty sure they wouldn't mind capturing more american soldiers if possible.
They do make things more difficult to the american by kidnapping the workers. Now people r more reluctant to go to iraq to work, and insurance r asking for a higher premiun. When iraq is not progressing, it do make america look worse and their companies not making a profit as they pictured. Overall their objectives have been reached. Make lives difficult for the americans.
Achieving the same objectives of making the American lives more difficult ?U can't deny tat kidnapping these workers do achieve tis effect.
It still boils down to the Iraqi insurgents not having the guts to combat the Americans.Everyday I see clashes between the american soldiers and Iraqis people. Do they really have no guts to combat the american ? Sometimes it is wise to be realistic. If they hit the american head on, it will be the case of an egg smashing against a rock. I think it is dumb to throw away their lives meaninglesssly by launching an attack against a force too much stronger head on. For insurgents, they r known to have hit anyone, anywhere and anytime. Tat is one of their strength.
You missed the the subject by digressing into the objectives of the Insurgents, which is not the concern in this discussion of Asian Lives.U missed the point tat these workers r helping the american companies. Look at Philipines, these form of attacks do work better than brainlessly attack US troops.
The main point is 'Why target fellow Asians - killing 12 Nepalese at one go ? "Because they r working for the american ? They certainly discouraged a lot of country to stop sending troops and help for the US isn't it ?
Do the Iraqi Insurgents - being native Arabs - consider themselves more superior than other Asians or not part of the Asian Community in any way ?
Are the Nepalese lives so worthless that all TWELVE Nepalese can be executed at one go, instead of killing one at a time over the next few days, weeks or months ?They r in Iraq, they should probably know they have a higher tendency to die there. Tat explains for their high pay isn't it. 12 Nepalese at one go... sad to say there has been so much killing in Iraq during these few years tat I begin to feel imune to it. In the war and the months after, several ten of thousands Iraqis r killed while millions of their lives has been ruined. The americans even drop a bomb at a couple wedding, killing tens of people instantly. Every day there r reports of insurgents killed by the americans. R the iraqis lives so worthless tat they r executed at one go ? Wat is 12 person lives compared with these figures ? If u want to blame, u should blame why does the war has to start.
The answer to your question was already posted - as shown in my post below which you have quoted.
Achieving the same objectives of making the American lives more difficult ? [/quote]
U can't deny tat kidnapping these workers do achieve tis effect.
The ends justifying the means ?continuing post by stupidissmart:Everyday I see clashes between the american soldiers and Iraqis people. Do they really have no guts to combat the american ? Sometimes it is wise to be realistic. If they hit the american head on, it will be the case of an egg smashing against a rock. I think it is dumb to throw away their lives meaninglesssly by launching an attack against a force too much stronger head on. For insurgents, they r known to have hit anyone, anywhere and anytime. Tat is one of their strength.
It still boils down to the Iraqi insurgents not having the guts to combat the Americans.
Clashes ?
Or just pin pricks in hit, run and hide ?
The one prolonged clash had ended in Najaf City, where the RELIGIOUS insurgents from the Shiite Community - (not the terrorists-kidnappers) - had used the cover of the famous Mosque simply to RESIST the US led forces.
Not exactly a classic clash in military terms.
The Vietcongs during the Vietnam War had similar limited resources, and yet was able to conduct impressive military raids and attacks that overwhelmed and surprised American forces during the Vietnam War.
The VC did not resort to cowardly acts of kidnapping civilians for ransom to achieve their political or military objectives.
continuing post by stupidissmart:U missed the point tat these workers r helping the american companies. Look at Philipines, these form of attacks do work better than brainlessly attack US troops.
You missed the the subject by digressing into the objectives of the Insurgents, which is not the concern in this discussion of Asian Lives.
So again, the ends justify the means ?
continuing post by stupidissmart:Because they r working for the american ? They certainly discouraged a lot of country to stop sending troops and help for the US isn't it ?
The main point is 'Why target fellow Asians - killing 12 Nepalese at one go ? "
Do the Iraqi Insurgents - being native Arabs - consider themselves more superior than other Asians or not part of the Asian Community in any way ?
According to the Straits Times News Report dated 1 September 2004 -In a separate CNN report, these 12 Nepalese were working for a Jordanian Company, trucking goods to service the Iraqi Economy.
The kidnappers had demanded that Nepal stop sending its citizens to work in Iraq, although the government already banned them from doing so because of safety concerns, and it also had rejected US requests to contribute troops. But many people from this impoverished Himalayan nation work abroad, and Nepalese are known to work for foreign contractors in Iraq.
Nepal's ambassador to Qatar, Mr Shyamananda Suman, who handles the country's affairs in the Persian Gulf region, told The Associated Press his government tried to make contact with the militants holding the 12 Nepalese.
'There were no demands from the kidnappers to negotiate, and then all of a sudden we hear that they killed them,' he said.
'We wanted to get in touch with the kidnappers, but there was no way to do so. I talked to the media and appealed to the kidnappers to set them free or at least to know their demands, but all that went in vain.' ]
The US Military DO NOT need private Arab Logistic Contractors when the US Military have their own military logistics support arm.
continuing post by stupidissmart:
Frankly, I do not see why do u say they feel more superior than Asians when they killed the nepalese. They kill a lot of other nationals too. Does tat mean they feel more superior than the rest of the world ? American also kill a lot of Iraqis too, so american must have feel more superior than iraqis ? Heck, vietnam had killed a lot of american and vice versa int he past too. Why do u make tat statement ?
Originally posted by 2004Lancer:"USA fund the insurgents to kill those whose countries did not help USA ? "
could it be because nobody wanna get involved in Iraq war and nobody wanna help USA? As such, the US decided to fund the insurgents to kill those whose countries did not help USA?
The ends justifying the means ?So wat do u propose for them to achieve the end ? Sad to say, this seems to be one of the most effective way for them to achieve the effect of making US lives harder. U don't expect them to just blindly attack fortified american troops and dying in the process
Clashes ?As said before, they r insurgents. Outnumbered, poorly equipped, lack of technology, poorer in organising and training. U really think they should just attack dumbly and die in the process isn't it ? There r several large scale attacks on american troops isn't it ? The losses tend to be on the iraqis side since they r really much weaker than the americans.
Or just pin pricks in hit, run and hide ?
The one prolonged clash had ended in Najaf City, where the RELIGIOUS insurgents from the Shiite Community - (not the terrorists-kidnappers) - had used the cover of the famous Mosque simply to RESIST the US led forces.Wat will u do if u r them ? R u going to dumbly attack their armoured vehicle with your pistol with 3 bullets ? They r desperate and they have a great disadvantage militarily over them.
The Vietcongs during the Vietnam War had similar limited resources, and yet was able to conduct impressive military raids and attacks that overwhelmed and surprised American forces during the Vietnam War.Vietnam is many years ago, with lots of forest and the american r not prepared for such warfare. Now, american weopons have increase in sophistication, have a greater number in iraq than in vietnam, carry the past experience of vietnam and other related warfare and there r little terrain advantage such as forest etc. It is already a different story.
In a separate CNN report, these 12 Nepalese were working for a Jordanian Company, trucking goods to service the Iraqi Economy.So ? The companies r american allies companies isn't it ? Wat is the end effect ? The nepal gov curbing the peopel from going over to iraq for work, news report showing more instability of iraq thus making things harder to the american eventually. Although I sympathise their plight, but I cannot really blame these people but only on why they were occupied.
The US Military DO NOT need private Arab Logistic Contractors when the US Military have their own military logistics support arm.
Too bad if you cannot see the significance in killing TWELVE Nepalese at one go, as when the Terrorists took their time to kill one European at a time, when they had three or four, and subsequently releasing the remaining survivors.Wat is the significance ? Do u see the significance when american drop a bomb into a couple wedding and many lives r lost ? R u racist yourself, to react on the death of 12 people while ignoring the lives of thousands of iraqis ?
The war has already started, with or without the Americans - the Iraqis would have been slowly murdered by Saddam Hussein or his two Sons, and their henchmen; as have been documents made of their reign of terror over the last thirty years.Documents ? u mean documents from the failed intelligence from US and British ? Sorry man, the document r the reports from these so called intelligence which also stated tat there r WMD in Iraq. They r so confident in their agency tat they totally ignored the UN weopon inspectors pleas to prolonged their investigations. Now they have "kicked" open the doors and "killed" everyone in sight.. and embarrassingly found nothing.. wat can they say now ?
The point remain is that Fellow Asians are in Iraq, as they are in almost every country in the world - danger zones as well as dangerous jobs included - to earn and support their families; and at the same time contribute to the betterment of lives for the Iraqis.Too bad, they r in iraq and they should know long ago tat some iraqis kidnapped and killed these people. Why they so not hold any talk baffled me too. But pushing all the blame on iraqis without mentioning the US is unfair. They r the one tat start the killings, abuse and ruining people lives first.
Why target these helpless Asian compatriots in the manner that they have treated the Nepalese ?
Are the Nepalese lives less valuable than the single Filippino, when the Terrorists did not even bother to have a channel of communication ?
News just released - two FRENCH Journalists have been released.tat should be cause for celebration since they r not as murderous as someone want to make them sound. Thousands of innocent iraqis r killed because of a war without valid reasons. So their lives r cheaper than napalese ?
So the lives of TWELVE Nepalese are cheaper than TWO French journalists ?