My son's face was kicked and scared during his BMTC in Pulau
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It was a "shock" for parent like us to send our children to NS! While its chief was assuring us that they will take care of my only son during the sending off ceremony, but on the contrary the trainees were asked not to report any abuse not even to parents! And it was the scar on my son's face that shocked us! His face was kicked by a Malay Sergeant during his jungle training recently. What if this kick landed on his eye and blinded for life? Who shall I bring this matter up or shall I write to the Minister of defence for redress?
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It is a hard question to answer I think.... Sometimes people in the uniform will protect their kind. Perhaps there are someone in SAF would could direct you to a proper channel to address your concerns....Originally posted by Heartlander:It was a "shock" for parent like us to send our children to NS! While its chief was assuring us that they will take care of my only son during the sending off ceremony, but on the contrary the trainees were asked not to report any abuse not even to parents! And it was the scar on my son's face that shocked us! His face was kicked by a Malay Sergeant during his jungle training recently. What if this kick landed on his eye and blinded for life? Who shall I bring this matter up or shall I write to the Minister of defence for redress? -
Do your son have a medical report on the incident?? either with the camp MO or with the OOC?? if so.... i believe the MO or the OOC is dutibound to order an investigation into the incident and see to the sergeant's proper punishment.Originally posted by Joe Black:It is a hard question to answer I think.... Sometimes people in the uniform will protect their kind. Perhaps there are someone in SAF would could direct you to a proper channel to address your concerns....
other then the MO and OOC.. the PC, OC, CO and even the CCO have a duty to report the incident and conduct an inquiry.... afterall, your son is in BMT... which is... ehh... the protected soldier class.
In fact.. your son can even claim insurance from SAF dependent on the level of injury committed against him.
IF... for some reason... your son didnt report to the MO, OOC, OC, or his PC.... then.... HE SHOULD FUCKING HELL LEARN TO STAND ON HIS FUCKING BALLS AND C O M P L A I N!!! SCARE FOR FUCK!.... no balls next time how to screw chabo! everything mommy daddy, call his maid and screw the sargeant lah! -
LOL! Hard to say sometimes. What if the entire Chain of command decides to "cover" it all up?
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well, how well do you know ur son? parents nowadays, do not really know their children even though they can swear that they know their children.
i have heard of stories, whereby, NSmen fabricate stories involving NS to explain to their dear parents. so if u really think ur son was really scared and kicked, u should immediately do something, and please, MINDEF is a government body, and it is professinal enuff to handle ur problems and complaints justly, but the problem is more that, the ppl in the army (BMTC) is at fault. furthermore, which must u say a malay sergeant. what r u trying to imply? why can't u just use neutral word like a sergeant omitting the word 'malay'?... it really seem that u think the sergeant was kicking ur son, just becos he is of a diff. race? which generation do u come from? the 1960s? 1970s? now is the new millenium, singaporeans don't see skin colours.
and yes, i pity ur one and only son. u should get help as soon as possible. i don't understand, how at peace u r with this incident, still can take ur sweet time, using the forum to ask where to complain, i mean, duh! go to MINDEF, take a taxi, and i am sure, if that scar is really as scary as the way u put it, you will just win the case easily...
anyway, stop being a racist!... no need to use word like a malay barber, a malay man, a malay sergeant, all are the same understand? just use neutral words can? unless u are making a point! which in this case u r, but u dun dare to say it so clearly.
do u have his pic? if yes, then i think, u could really win this case, as i was involved in an accident in NS myself, and it was due to the incompetency of an officer, and i reported it to my OO (orientatin officer). Singapore is not america, so much conspiracy and cover ups... don't worry... if it really happens, the culprit will get caught. i am with u on this, but certainly not on ur way of differentiating sergeants into diff. racial grps, very disappointing. -
Wah really hah??? u can ask your MP to write a query to Mindef wat. The sergent surely get punished whether he did it or not and your son will have to stand by toilet for the rest of his BMT. Fair right!
I only know nowadays trainers will be punish for 'send regards' to enlistees. Unfair right?!!! -
Firstly, Heartlander I think you need to re-evaluate the way you think about your son's role in NS. What do you think he's in there for? Girl guide camp is it? NS is not 'super-teen' camp. It's parents like you who spoil their children and send all your bratty little tots to the army expecting the army to treat your little emperors like the way you spoil them, who nurture a whole generation of whiners and kids with an 'entitlement mentality'
OK so what if he got kicked? I got kicked all the time during BMT, OCS etc. and i doubt that your son was kicked...more like the sergeat prodded your precious kid with his boot when he was sleeping or doing something stupid and your sotong fell over or something.
Or more likely, that your son was proning on the ground for firing position and the sergeant prodded him to change his position or something. Whatever it is, there are hardly any more cases of physical abuse in the SAF anymore, and if it is indeed true that the sergeant kicked your little poodle, without justification, then ask him to grow his own dick and report it to the officers or the camp OO.
Go and see a doctor and who will objectively assess the wound to see if it is inflicted by a blow.
As for verbal abuse, don't expect niceties from the people training your poodle. What do you want? Speak BBC english campaign in the army is it? or do you want the army to prefix every command with a 'please'?
'excuse me recruits, but i was wondering if you'd all be so kind as to come down stairs for night snack now? And could you please hurry up lads, time is of the essence in the army!'
'recruit tan, i am most displeased with your shoddy behaviour. It is most unbecoming of you to be late.'
Lastly, wtf did you add the prefix 'malay' before the sergeant? Are you suggesting that malay sergeants have a propensity for violence towards your poodle? or maybe that malay sergeants are incapable of controlling themselves?
There is no room for your racist allusions here.
Seeing how the situation is, any sergeant would have booted your son's ass anyway. -
Haha.Originally posted by No Frill:Seeing how the situation is, any sergeant would have booted your son's ass anyway.
I dun think u will make a nice instructor...
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wHaT tIMe iS iT?
iT's ORD tImE! -
I WAS an OCS pro-term engineer instructor! LOL
people like hearlander's kids make me sick. NO fighting spirit and no guts. -
In the event of a war, do it Patton style !!!Originally posted by No Frill:I WAS an OCS pro-term engineer instructor! LOL
people like hearlander's kids make me sick. NO fighting spirit and no guts.
Throw him in the heat of the battlefront and let him get killed. One less faggot will increase the chances of survival of the platoon -
U mean that there r such pple in OCS meh? THought that those u make it to OCS r those that really deserve to be there. somemore pro term.... by then, those that cannot make it should have died off already what. hehe...Originally posted by No Frill:I WAS an OCS pro-term engineer instructor! LOL
people like hearlander's kids make me sick. NO fighting spirit and no guts.
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wHaT tIMe iS iT?
iT's ORD tImE! -
Addressing this matter, I can say it is wrong to put physical harm like this on the recruits and he has every right to bring up this matter to his superior. And I don't think his superior would cover up this. And the spec. would be send to DB if the charge is brought up. There are numerous past cases where such complains are brought up and they are brought through, though they occur with a probility of 1 in 50 000 considering the large amount of recruits processing through.
And believe me they CO mean what he said he is looking into the welfare of the recurits. Considering the pressure he puts on the ground, and the recruits has a chance to bring up the complain to the OO. -
14th ASLC?Originally posted by jagkoh:Addressing this matter, I can say it is wrong to put physical harm like this on the recruits and he has every right to bring up this matter to his superior. And I don't think his superior would cover up this. And the spec. would be send to DB if the charge is brought up. There are numerous past cases where such complains are brought up and they are brought through, though they occur with a probility of 1 in 50 000 considering the large amount of recruits processing through.
And believe me they CO mean what he said he is looking into the welfare of the recurits. Considering the pressure he puts on the ground, and the recruits has a chance to bring up the complain to the OO. -
Nope. 7th.Originally posted by malariapill:14th ASLC? -
wah ... so long time ago already...Originally posted by jagkoh:Nope. 7th.
7th... maybe i saw u when i was a recruit.. -
Hey =) I was from the 7th too... Delta-Bravo... Sure was an eventful batch =)Originally posted by jagkoh:Nope. 7th.
I'm sure u know what i mean... Bravo OC looked like a horse's ass after that overseas training incident... -
I now from Bravo 35 SCE Combat Engineer batch.
Yah , there bound to be one or two sabo king in one platoon and alway get mark by Spec !
Well , i was a sabo king at first but as time pass , i became a more adapt to life inside and no more a sabo king & the Spec sing praise toward me in front of my platoon .
Even my CSM , OC also treat me good because i put in effort in training .
Thing are like that in army.
U put in effort then you wouldn't kena mark and you can joke with them just like friend .
My CSM also joke with me once a while & my OC.
Guess who change me , it was my DS and PC.
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SINGAPOREAN , CHINESE GUY BORN IN YEAR 1983 WISH TO FIND FRIENDS TO CHAT ! -
"What don't kill you, will only make you stronger."
Instructors do not mark recuits based on their race. My BMT instructors, cooks, clerks, storemen takan us equally...
Takan is part and parcel of NS...
I have yet to know someone that completed their NS without any physical injuries. -
i been through my NS. I was not kicked and scared. Frankly i think your son is bullshitting. and if you had truly believed his words...you'd have lodged a police report by now which i can safely assume...u didn't.
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Excuse me !
Before you people are so quick to make judgements, consider the possibility that Heartlander's son could have really been subjected to such abuse and was not bullshitting just for the sake of getting out of NS or something.
I know ... because that was what happened to me too. I was repeatedly hit with a rifle butt on the shoulder by my Warrant Officer while I was on course in SAFTI and when I went to report this to the MO, and later on to my CO, they did nothing but to state that the WO2 could not have done such a thing.
As a result of that a hairline fracture ensured and now I often experience pain in my shoulder whenever I engage in physical activity and my physiotherapy doesn't even help. Sadly, i cannot take part in competitive canoeing anymore because of this.
Anyway as a precursor to that punishment, all i did was accidentally drop my firing pin on the floor while stripping my MG. They could have just punished me by asking me to run many rounds around the field with rifle overhead or something, why this ?
So before you accuse Heartlander's son of "keng" or so on, consider how he would feel if his son was really innocent of all these charges you have ignorantly placed on him. Have a heart. We're all fellow Singaporeans and ought to stand behind each other instead of being so quick to judge. -
hey brudder, u r tokin abt warrant officer leh, they regulars wah, so they dun reali care abt the god damn rules, we sergeants are NSF, ok, we stil wana go outside n see d world, we aint so psycho,k. but im nt saying that there are no bad or psycho instrs inside, juz that we think wif our brains nowadays. pls. if u thk ur WO is bad, go SISPEC ASTW, there's a man who will charged u till u drop ur balls manOriginally posted by Crevecoeur:Excuse me !
Before you people are so quick to make judgements, consider the possibility that Heartlander's son could have really been subjected to such abuse and was not bullshitting just for the sake of getting out of NS or something.
I know ... because that was what happened to me too. I was repeatedly hit with a rifle butt on the shoulder by my Warrant Officer while I was on course in SAFTI and when I went to report this to the MO, and later on to my CO, they did nothing but to state that the WO2 could not have done such a thing.
As a result of that a hairline fracture ensured and now I often experience pain in my shoulder whenever I engage in physical activity and my physiotherapy doesn't even help. Sadly, i cannot take part in competitive canoeing anymore because of this.
Anyway as a precursor to that punishment, all i did was accidentally drop my firing pin on the floor while stripping my MG. They could have just punished me by asking me to run many rounds around the field with rifle overhead or something, why this ?
So before you accuse Heartlander's son of "keng" or so on, consider how he would feel if his son was really innocent of all these charges you have ignorantly placed on him. Have a heart. We're all fellow Singaporeans and ought to stand behind each other instead of being so quick to judge. -
But I got a psychotic sergent in the past also lah....makes his day by torturing recruits...but still does not resort to physical abuse on his part
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SAF is an organization that covers up everything, shifting blame else where to protect their arses. You should go and complain to your MP or MINDEF, write a letter to Straits Time forum, etc. No use posting here... Too many SAF supporters here.
I really pity those who got hurt permanently during their NS. I have 2 friends that torn their ligament and have a slightly fractured knee because of constant jumping down from low ramp. They reported sick again and again to get some rest for their knee to recover but the BMT MO thought they chao keng and gave them Attend A. When he go back to their company, they kanna more strenuous training from their sergeants.
Until when their torn ligament is proved, then only the medical board gave them PES C. What for? I rather not get injured, be in combat unit, and ORD in one piece... -
actually... from my experience in the SAF (I was a sergeant in an infantry battalion during my NSF days), if an instructor really physically abuse someone, no one will protect him.
If a complaint is made, the person who is complained against will have his balls shrinked. Very difficult to escape. The people on top want to cover their asses and they will probably punish the person complained against. -
agree, moreover, the commander iz very strict on abuse cases, he wil hunt u dwn n kick ur ass if he has to, so pls, dun say we cover up for others when the top iz strict on this issueOriginally posted by John Wong:actually... from my experience in the SAF (I was a sergeant in an infantry battalion during my NSF days), if an instructor really physically abuse someone, no one will protect him.
If a complaint is made, the person who is complained against will have his balls shrinked. Very difficult to escape. The people on top want to cover their asses and they will probably punish the person complained against.