Must you take your private vendetta into every thread here?Originally posted by paperchicken:As usual Atobe is blind to the facts before him and oppose for the sake of opposing and opposing everyone who oppose him and wanting to be right and win every arguement every time.
Thats a reply to each of his thread. He stand is the same in all the thread oppose for the sake of opposing so my ans is the same. Its nothing personal.Originally posted by [ Neo ]:Must you take your private vendetta into every thread here?
Originally posted by [ Neo ]:Nothing to fret about, it is only a hair brained chicken thinking he is made of paper.
Must you take your private vendetta into every thread here?
Originally posted by [ Neo ]:Is this strategy of buying back shares from shareholders of Government Linked Companies - an expansion strategy ?
On the NOL invesment, my guess on the additional sum in is that Temasek probably has some new strategic frame where NOL plays the role of an important chess piece.
The investments in rising power such as India also comes as no surprise as we have long been aware on existing policies to 'develop' yet new pools of bilingual and bi-cultural adept talents who will be able to provide expertise support in dealings with rapidly developing economic engines such as India and China.
The areas of economic penetration made by Temasek Holdings in this case is also very typical as with its previous investure strategy, which as we may see, is characterised by hitting banks AND telecommunication again in this recent round.
This normality of the move appears very much inline with the typical and routine 'Temasek' style of expansion, which I believe, has long been planned, with funds gathered long before plan execution and risks carefully assessed and monitored.
The time for launch was probably only subjected to having the right external legal-political and economic conditions to carry out implementation.
So for me, I reckon I won't really be losing much sleep over the probability of losses made.
But just to add on what robertteh had earlier commented on sharing the sweets from investment dividends, now that would certainly be an interesting area to look out for.
Technically speaking, the buying back of shares could be a part of an expansion strategy. I mean companies will naturally seek to first increase on their degree of influence and control over any entity that has a vital role to play in some grand plan.Originally posted by Atobe:Is this strategy of buying back shares from shareholders of Government Linked Companies - an expansion strategy ?
This practise of buying back of shares, from public shareholders, is not only limited to Neptune Orient Lines, but has also been implemented into the previously public listed Keppel Shipyard; and (correct me if I am wrong) also with Singapore Telecoms, Chartered Industries, Sembawang Shipyard, Far East Levingston.
The "Privatisation " of these Government Linked Companies are not going into the hands of the PRIVATE SECTOR, but into the "Private Hands" of Government approved entities or personalities.
With the buying back of shares that are in the hands of the Pulic, it will result in less public disclosure of the annual accounts and performance of such companies that are largely set up with Public Funds.
With the changes made to legislations governing the requirement of company auditing policies, it open the door to alot more flexibility in Holding Companies moving assets and funds.
Originally posted by [ Neo ]:Frankly, I do not see how the buying back of shares from the Public can be seen as an act expansion.
Technically speaking, the buying back of shares could be a part of an expansion strategy. I mean companies will naturally seek to first increase on their degree of influence and control over any entity that has a vital role to play in some grand plan.
The policy of GLC privatization may have announced, but having played the role of the ‘Guiding Hand’ in these companies for so many year, divesture moves would also have vital concerns e.g the competence, track record and ability of a potential new buying company to safely maintain and ensure on the continuous going on concern of a Temasek sell off company.
If privatization has to be made at the expense of the management incompetence by a new buying company just for the surface meeting of the privatization objective, then I would rather see Temasek to continue holding on to all of its current portfolio than to hear news of further retrenchment exercise or layoffs - resultant from declining business or bad management though I would personally also hope to see more privatization cases to go on.
And if it is any consolation to us, at least we have seen the sell off of at least one company, CIAS, by the holding company this year.
Back to the recent purchase made by Temasek, most of these targets were actually aimed at corporations which have already had plans mapped out for business growth in promising industries overseas.
If Temasek’s recent increased involvement in these purchases could provide a helping hand be it – business intelligence sharing, corporate expertise or resource sharing, all leading to the creation of more jobs for the local scene, then why not support this move?
As for the disclosure of financial statements and performance, that I guess we may only be able to make assessment upon only after we have seen what has been made know to public when the annual reports have been published.
pot calling a kettle blackOriginally posted by Atobe:Nothing to fret about, it is only a hair brained chicken thinking he is made of paper.
Or is it a paper thinking he is made into a chicken ?
Originally posted by raihanraihan:No need to be "well versed with corporate businesses", but just using logic to assess a normal business situation.
Hi Neo & Atobe
The 2 of you seem rather well versed with corporate businesses! A version I heard was that Temasek was trying to churn the market for the benefit of LHL's ascension. What do you think?
regards
raihan
Originally posted by shoutcast:"pot calling a kettle black" and still "dun get the argument the thread starter is trying to make though" ?
pot calling a kettle black
besides that
i still dun get the arguement the thread starter is trying to make though![]()
Well, like what Atobe had said, I'm no corporate wizard either. It's only a matter of following up on news and piecing them together.Originally posted by raihanraihan:Hi Neo & Atobe
The 2 of you seem rather well versed with corporate businesses! A version I heard was that Temasek was trying to churn the market for the benefit of LHL's ascension. What do you think?
regards
raihan
You have raised good and thought provoking points above - especially on the Keppel Shipyard example, and I can understand and share the point there.Originally posted by Atobe:Frankly, I do not see how the buying back of shares from the Public can be seen as an act expansion.
If anything at all, it is utilising precious financial resources to pay to the Public for the shares that they have, when the same financial resources could have the Company by being put into better investment use elsewhere.
The buying back of the shares can only be seen in the most cynical view - in that after using the private funds of Singaporeans to build up the GLC, and having grown the GLC to a certain size, the Government now decide to dispense with the Singapore Citizens' money - by seemingly returning a higher value for the shares that they have held for so long.
Why not let the Singapore Citizen hang on to these shares and sell it at a later date to the open market - especially if the growth prospect can see the Company Share value reaching ever higher levels in the Stock Exchange ?
Keppel Shipyard bought back the shares from mainly Singaporean Shareholders, at a price that give only a slight premium above the prevailing market price.
After having gain 100 percent control of the Company, Keppel Shipyard changed its name into Keppel Corporation, and went into property development - using the asset endowed land on which the Shipyard had been sitting, to gain higher revenue from the sale of an upmarket property development.
Could the Singapore Citizen Shareholder have benefitted more by hanging on to those shares ?
With regards to the many overseas acquisition of shares to allow Temasek a stake in the foreign business entities, it can hardly generate any new jobs in Singapore unless the foreign business entities happen to open a subsidiary unit in Singapore.
Does Temasek have any say or influence on the Board of these foreign companies, when Temasek's shareholding is just a bean size when compared to the humongous share values of these Companies ?
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Originally posted by tspg:So, other "ppl here do not have the require depth and understanding to discuss the issues involved" ?
WARNING !
Some ppl here do not have the require depth and understanding to discuss the issues involved. They are just distorting the facts. Do not be misled by them.