Originally posted by crazy monkey:
[b]Pros and cons
QUOTE:Traditionally, the purpose of democracy is to prevent the accumulation of too much authority in the hands of one or a few. It rests on a balance of giving enough power for what Alexander Hamilton called "vigorous and energetic government" and avoiding giving out so much power that it becomes abused. Democracy is believed by some, such as Winston Churchill, to be the "least bad" form of government. By creating a system where the public can remove administrations, without changing the legal basis for government, democracy aims at reducing political uncertainty and instability, and assuring citizens that however much they may disagree with present policies, they will be given a regular chance to change those who are in power, or change policies with which they disagree. Democracy is also related to the idea of constitutional government, setting limits beyond which a current majority in government may not step.UNQUOTE
REPLY: Winston Churchill has therefore confirmed that democracy offered the least-bad form of government. It is clear that it is not democracy as a system that is at fault for any problems in government. More often it is the people elected to represent them who might cause problems. When people become self-centred, they can resort to amending laws of election etc to perpetuate their rule. It is this possibility that causes the most problems to democracy.
Therefore one should draw a line in criticizing democracy and not get carried away into blaming the whole system. It is all the more urgent and crucial to redress the problems by establishing good corporate governance to carry democracy further to bring up the best of its practices and possibility to serve the people. It is easy to understand that autocracy will seek to put out all the blames for any perceived problems on liberality of democracy to convince citizens of self-centred convenience.
There is a need to provide practical safeguards or good corporate governance for greater accountability in every major aspect of government covering election processes as stated in the 7 points of democracy. This will help us to evolve our particular governance to move it forward to be more competitive in the future. This evolvement will require good citizenry who understand the goodness of choice and freedoms and will support change for the better.
Where the constitutions and the election laws, are too general or non-committal to processes amendments may be made for apparently good reasons but at the end may compromise on basic principle of freedoms of choice and accountable judiciary, legislative or executives to provide pro-people and progressive governance.
Over time autocracy may result in one-sided high-cost tax-and-recover governance with the only concern to build up government fiscal efficiency to the neglect of considerations of citizens plight.
The government may then become richer giving a good account of itself while the majority of citizens suffer. This may be the worse problems with democracy as it can be changed to result in government being interested in its own agenda as against people's actual wishes and aspirations.
Practical safeguards are essential to ensure that democracy will not be doctored or changed to suit particular one-party domination.
I therefore agree that basic democratic processes as suggested e.g. freedom to vote, to criticise and to participate in election, in the first part of the thesis to be specifically and fully established as a corporate governance to avoid gerrymandeering of election processes to suit the convenience of any one-party rule.
QUOTE:Nonetheless, some people believe that there is no system that can ideally order society and that democracy is not morally ideal. These advocates say that at the heart of democracy is the belief that if a majority is in agreement, it is legitimate to harm the minority. The opponents to this viewpoint say that in a liberal democracy where particular minority groups are protected from being targeted, majorities and minorities actually take a markedly different shape on every issue; therefore, majorities will usually be careful to take into account the dissent of the minority, lest they ultimately become part of a minority on a future democratic decision.
The threat of coercive power is still the main cause for concern. A historical example would be Hitler in pre-Nazi Germany, who was "elected" in 1933 by the German people with the largest minority vote. For this reason, some countries have created constitutions/laws that protect particular issues from majoritarian decision-making. Generally, changes in these constitutions require the agreement of a supermajority of the elected representatives, or require a judge and jury to agree that evidentiary and procedural standards have been fulfilled by the state, or, very rarely, a referendum. This means a majority can still legitimately coerce a minority (which is still ethically questionable), but such a minority would be very small and, as a practical matter, it is harder to get a larger proportion of the people to agree to such actions. On the other hand, proponents of broader democracy wonder what gives a small minority of people (such as those who drafted the US Constitution, or other constitutions/laws) the right to impose their will on the majority.
In addition to constitutional protections for citizens' rights (such as the right to stay alive, express political opinions and form political organizations, independent and regardless of government approval), some electoral systems, such as the various forms of proportional representation, attempt to ensure that all political groups (including minority groups that vote for minor parties), are represented "fairly" in the nation's legislative bodies, according to the proportion of total votes they cast; rather than the proportion of electorates in which they can achieve a regional majority.
This proportional versus majoritarian dichotomy is a not just a theoretical problem, as both forms of electoral system are common around the world, and each creates a very different kind of government. One of the main points of contention is having someone who directly represents your little region in your country, versus having everyone's vote count the same, regardless of where in the country you happen to live. Some countries such as Germany and New Zealand attempt to have both regional (majoritarian) representation, and proportional representation, in such a way that one doesn't encroach on the other. This system is commonly called Mixed Member Proportional.
The democratic peace theory claims that democracies never or almost never make war against each other. A related but slightly different concept is Rummel's Law, which states that the less freedom a people have, the more likely their rulers are to murder them. UNQUOTE
REPLY: The example given of how Hitler came to power and how he eventually doctored the election process to put himself up as the supreme leader to do what he likes only serves to confirm that democracy is liable to hijack by anyone or any party by making change to laws governing election processes and checks and balances among branches of government to give rise to autocracy and perpetuation of one-party rule.
The Rummel's Law serve to confirm the validity of the 7 points of democracy to ensure due diligence in respect of freedoms of speech, association and judicial administration. Practical safeguards will make the leaders think hard and long before engaging in gerrymandeering of election processes leading to murder of freedoms, progress and competitive good corporate governance.
It is true that some people may continue to lament that democracy is full of problems and there is no ideal system. But it is an irony that democracy is being taken to task by political writers who should know better when it offers safeguards (least-bad) against exploitations, oppressions, injustices, abuses and uphold the wishes and aspirations of the people. The problem probably lies in the fact that it is the champion of political system and as a champion it becomes a constant target of attack.
Fortunately, the champion still survives all these attacks from all and sundry. People must nevertheless stay viligant that the people who attack democracy might not have more effective or progressive system to offer.
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The CrazyMonday's thesis offers a good historical rundown and examples showing views and comments on problems in implementing democracy.Originally posted by pikamaster:CrazyMonkey,
Kudos for such a brilliant essay, though i shall say\a discussion forum like this one is not a place to write/publish a university thesis or assignment.
Robert and Elfred,
Both fo you should read what CrazyMonkey has posted in detail. I'm sure, Elfred, that you would be able to mroe clearly understand what advantages democracy has that autocracy doesn't after reading CrazyMonkey's substantial repllies.
ya, thx.
the pikamaster (who is sick of elitism in Singapore)
Originally posted by crazy monkey:This conceptual subdivision of democracies into (1) Social Democracy and (2) Democratic Socialism is useful for greater appreciation by academics and analysts.
[b]Democratic socialism
Democratic socialism is a political movement propagating the ideals of socialism within the framework of a parliamentary democracy. Thinkers, writers and activists such as Robert Owen, Karl Marx, George Orwell, and Sidney and Beatrice Webb can all be said to have contributed to "democratic socialist philosophy". However, popular movements such as the growth of trade unionism, the Chartists and the Labour Party (UK) (a "democratic socialist party" according to the first line of its constitution) or the SPD in Germany (Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands, are equally critical to understanding Democratic Socialism.
It should be noted, however, that many of those who describe themselves as "socialists" often argue that socialism necessarily implies democracy, thus making "democratic socialism" a redundant term. The fact that one specific movement is called Democratic Socialism does not mean that other branches of socialism must be any less democratic.
The terms "Democratic Socialism" and "Social Democracy" have often been used interchangeably, and, indeed, they could be considered synonymous until recently. Today, however, they usually denote two different things: Social Democracy is more centrist and supports a broadly capitalist system, with just a few socialist elements to make it more equitable and humane. Meanwhile, Democratic Socialism is more left-wing and it supports a fully socialist system, seeking to establish that socialist system by gradually reforming capitalism from within. Thus, Democratic Socialism is an evolutionary socialist movement.
Democratic socialists and social democrats both typically advocate at least a welfare state, although social democrats, being influenced by the Third Way, are now less committed to this. Democratic socialists maintain a commitment to the re-distribution of wealth and the nationalisation of major industry, and some believe in a planned economy; these are all concepts which social democrats have largely abandoned. In addition, many democratic socialists retain a Marxist analysis (though sometimes a reformist one), while social democrats reject Marxism.
Democratic socialist parties appeared before the First World War, when no single country could be described as democratic in the modern use of the term, because of electoral discrimination on the basis of gender, race or wealth. What distinguished democratic socialists from others was a willingness to work through a parliamentary democracy (even if people were still disenfranchised) to both improve the lives of working classes and win the vote, rather than resort to revolution (the overthrow of the state).
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Originally posted by crazy monkey:
We live in a time when the call for freedom and democracy echoes across the globe. Eastern Europe has cast off the totalitarian governments of almost half a century, and the republics of the former Soviet Union are struggling to replace the Communist regime of almost 75 years with a new democratic order, something they could never before experience. But the drama surrounding the extraordinary political changes in Europe obscures the remarkable degree to which the promise of democracy has mobilized peoples throughout the world. North and South America are now virtually a hemisphere of democracy; Africa is experiencing an unprecedented era of democratic reform; and new, dynamic democracies have taken root in Asia.
REPLY: This summary of democratic advance in various continents east and west serves to confirm earlier replies to skeptics of democracy who often resorted to calling democracy liberal or source of instability without regard to the oppressions and human plights often associated with undemocratic regimes everywhere. There must be something right about democracy if one by one including the most all-powerful former communist Soviet Union is turning to democracy for remedies of diverse problems affecting human societies.
This worldwide phenomenon belies the skeptics who have contended that modern liberal democracy is a uniquely Western artifact that can never be successfully replicated in non-Western cultures. In a world where democracy is practiced in nations as different as Japan, Italy, and Venezuela, the institutions of democracy can legitimately claim to address universal human aspirations for freedom and self-government.
Yet freedom's apparent surge during the last decade by no means ensures its ultimate success. Chester E. Finn, Jr., professor of education and public policy at Vanderbilt University and director of the Educational Excellence Network, said in remarks before a group of educators and government officials in Managua, Nicaragua: "That people naturally prefer freedom to oppression can indeed be taken for granted. But that is not the same as saying that democratic political systems can be expected to create and maintain themselves over time. On the contrary. The idea of democracy is durable, but its practice is precarious."
REPLY: The above-mentioned serves to confirm earlier posting under this thread that it is not democracy as a system that is at fault for any shortcomings seen in democracy or newly democratised countries as skeptics have pointed out. Rather it is the people elected as representatives or the people's particular social or cultural qualities that will determine successful implementation or not of democracy. Many forummers too have pointed out the same distinction.
Democratic values may be resurgent today, but viewed over the long course of human history, from the French Revolution at the end of the 18th century to the rise of one-party regimes in the mid-20th century, most democracies have been few and short-lived. This fact is cause for neither pessimism nor despair; instead, it serves as a challenge. While the desire for freedom may be innate, the practice of democracy must be learned. Whether the hinge of history will continue to open the doors of freedom and opportunity depends on the dedication and collective wisdom of the people themselves--not upon any of history's iron laws and certainly not on the imagined benevolence of self- appointed leaders.
REPLY: The above-mentioned point may be subjective in its assumptions of success of democracy. The benchmark of success was unclear. If comparison is made across the system or sporadically? Is comparison based on tangibles like freedoms to elect the good people and decide people's own routes of economic and non-economic attainments, or material progress in a before and after manner of particular countries assessed? For all we know, the success rate for democracy as against other systems or forms of government might then be quite different from the opinion given that only a handful has succeeded as democracy"
Contrary to some perceptions, a healthy democratic society is not simply an arena in which individuals pursue their own personal goals. Democracies flourish when they are tended by citizens willing to use their hard-won freedom to participate in the life of their society--adding their voices to the public debate, electing representatives who are held accountable for their actions, and accepting the need for tolerance and compromise in public life. The citizens of a democracy enjoy the right of individual freedom, but they also share the responsibility of joining with others to shape a future that will continue to embrace the fundamental values of freedom and self-government.
REPLY: Collective wellbeing or organizational efficiency is decimated by claims of personal efficiency or talents. A new mindset is urgently needed if countries practising democracy are to succeed in many tasks. Individualism or personal efficiencies are often obtained at the expense of good corporate governance or organizational efficiency. Organizational efficiency is attained not from collections of individual efficiencies but from coordination and practical knowledge application by each and every citizen. Processes must be established to provide coordination and knowledge application. This proviso is not conceptual or tedious; it is practical as posted at "Practical Guide to Efficiency and Productivity" in this forum.
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