DEFINITION OF TRUE DEMOCRACY
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I agree that people who feel strongly for the politics in his nation should enter politics. I may not agree with your views, but I respect them and I think that since you would like to see change you should put yourself in the position where you can effect them.Originally posted by BadzMaro:Words n words alone cannot change or effect the minds of the people. Words backed by the people can change the government or perhaps even topple it. The citizens can only discuss thier dissent among each other, but they will need a true leader such as you. No matter if you dont have the political talents , what is politics ? one such as u should know well enough. To improve the lives , you n i cannot do it if we are below the food chain. But to be on TOP of the food chain, you can mold and sculpture ur ideals. Think about it...think of about the people. THere are many out there that needs a leader. Be the voice of the people! -
Under a certain scheme called de-politization, co-coption and machination adopted by the government sometime back, people are being en-masse de-politicized, co-opted and institutional machineries like grass root organizations like CCC, RC, CDC, TC etc set up aimed at neutralizing people with views or alternative solutions.Originally posted by BadzMaro:Words n words alone cannot change or effect the minds of the people. Words backed by the people can change the government or perhaps even topple it. The citizens can only discuss thier dissent among each other, but they will need a true leader such as you. No matter if you dont have the political talents , what is politics ? one such as u should know well enough. To improve the lives , you n i cannot do it if we are below the food chain. But to be on TOP of the food chain, you can mold and sculpture ur ideals. Think about it...think of about the people. THere are many out there that needs a leader. Be the voice of the people!
If this scheme is still operative, do you think the leaders will ever surround themselves with people who possess alternative views? How could the leaders value-add to the cultural and social development or economic vibrancy if this scheme still exists obviously for the purpose of neutralizing entrepreneurial and people with visions or alternative views.
Surely if we have the entrepreneurs being produced to serve the economy, we would not have so many past policies impeding our economic upgrading and production of a technologically advanced economy by now? What do we see of our economic policies - only more foreign investments and nothing being upgraded of our own technology capabilities after 20 years. The same past policies of attracting foreign investments have not worked for many years and yet we are today still sticking basically to that which have failed to work? -
Dunno abt Robert, but I have thought of it... Mummy's not seeming very enthu tho...Originally posted by BadzMaro:dang man... Robertkeh .. ever thought of running for election or starting ur own party ?
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Reply to Tommy (posted on 2.11.2005 at CNA)
The old policy of attracting foreign MNCs and giving all kinds of incentives to foreign companies and workers to our shore have failed to work for a long time.
The proof can be found in the last two recessions when foreign MNCs are leaving by the droves. Today they are still leaving ?
So what are our government solutions to such macro economic forces at work in the new age.
As far as I can see - too little too late. It is only when larger and bigger MNCs are also leaving and our own port and air terminal got really hit that government took action at piecemeal.
In addition, past policies which did not work were not revamped - policies aimed at double taxing on lands(land acquired using public fund and selling back of HDB flats at full market rates) and triple taxing on vehicles (Excise, COE and ERP) even with all the supposed re-making and restructuring committees looking at them.
Under a certain scheme called de-politization, co-coption and machination adopted by the government sometime back, people are being en-masse de-politicized, co-opted and institutional machineries like grass root organizations like CCC, RC, CDC, TC etc set up aimed at neutralizing people with views or alternative solutions.
If this scheme is still operative, do you think the leaders will ever surround themselves with people who possess alternative views? How could the leaders value-add to the cultural and social development or economic vibrancy if this scheme still exists obviously for the purpose of neutralizing entrepreneurial and people with visions or alternative views.
Surely if we have the entrepreneurs being produced to serve the economy, we would not have so many past policies impeding our economic upgrading and production of a technologically advanced economy by now? What do we see of our economic policies - only more foreign investments and nothing being upgraded of our own technology capabilities after 20 years. The same past policies of attracting foreign investments have not worked for many years and yet we are today still sticking basically to that which have failed to work?
It is not that people are hard to pleased but leaders have not changed their past outdated thinking. It is time to admit these major policy errors so that there could be new directions to promote growth. -
Young man Pikamaster,Originally posted by pikamaster:Dunno abt Robert, but I have thought of it... Mummy's not seeming very enthu tho...
Those who have passions will succeed. Start young though. -
For discussions on alternatives to democracy read more at:
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=By "lorgem" posted on 4.11.2005 at CNA
Make the right choice, people will. Right choice going wrong no body can tell.
]aiyoh, who dare to post reply here with their opinion.
Democracy is vote for the "servant" that you "think" can do the "work" for the country but bear in mind DO NOT COMPLAIN once they are chosen because this is what the majority people's choice...so make the right choice when vote.
Getting no choice is another matter. I agree that it is not wholely anyone's fault for every action produces a reaction so everyone must learn how to keep the eye open and don't complain once they have chosen. -
Reply to forumer on 5.11.2005 posted at CNA
US Ambassador who predicted recently that Singapore will one pay a price for its tight control of press freedom is in a way alluding to that immutable universal law of cause and effect permeating in every sphere of our lives. -
Democracy endures on broadly based fundamentals
On bedrock of rights, freedoms and accountability,
Nations that aspire to these principles,
Will grow in Science and technology aplenty,
Nations that thrive on abundance of human spirit,
Where Democracy seeks to self-renew,
Where citizens see the right and wrong and question non-stop,
Will strengthen its foundation of validity,
Soundness of principles and practices
That gives room for other ideologies,
To fault democracy as unworthy,
As divided, directionless or tyranny by the majority,
Yet, despite slowness, contentions and shortcomings,
Democracy will put right what is wrong,
For better service of humanity
Democracy remains trustworthy where men fail
Democracy founded on basic human spirit
On rights freedoms and safeguards that never die,
Where wrongs are put right by check and balance,
By institutions that serve the true civic community
Friends friends do not fear democracy,
Do not fear the majority tyranny,
As majority will check on tyranny,
As it has done for centuries,
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Reply to forumer Master Servant as posted on 7.11.2005 at http://www.findsingapore.net/forum
I agree that there is no ideal system. We can only try to be as practical as we can. We can try to recognise the fact autocracy and totalitarianism will finally lead to suppressions, injustice and suffering with no check or insufficient check on power. The ancient truth is power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I wonder when will people ever learn this truth.
We should strive for a practical widely practised system which is most desirable for maximum progress, peace, fairness, justice and equity. Of course even the most desirable system like democracy is not perfect and has to be constantly guarded against potential abuses. Democracy also has its pitfalls and many shortcomings.
Singapore is a modified form of parliamentary Westmister Democracy where the executive has become over-confident as if it is always right and does not admit error easily even in the face of all the wrongs.
If our autocracy has been for the good or benign, citizens will accept autocracy. Unfortunately from 1970s onwards it has become less objective or benign but drifted to be self-centred with a lot of promotion of elitism or ego of the leaders. It has degraded to become less and less acceptable to the people especially in view of the persistent self-ness and lacking of accountability and transparency.
Our benign presumably democratic system is no longer as objective and pro-people as it once was. To that extent it has failed in my view despite past success. People are now demanding change so that the system will evolve to be more open and accountable with major decisions and implementations made for the good of the people and not like the NKF. There should not be so much taxing and recovering of costs to full market prices like the corporation as people are paying taxing and surpluses belong to all which should be used for people to tide over problems in bad times.
It is wrong to keep building surpluses from higher and higher taxing and cost recovery just to justify paying higher and higher salaries to ministers with lesser and lesser results. The system is no longer able to live up to people's expectations and are found to be with little accountability until disasters strike retarding our responsiveness to change.
The major policy errors have been posted in other thread including paranoid about welfare producing the opposite of a high-cost society, over-emphasising on academic education to sustain an elite system to the neglect of mass participation and practical knowledge broad-based education needed to produce entrepreneurial society.
Singapore without the democratic underpinning, can never have been what it is today as whatever Singapore leaders wants to claim for its so-called leadership could not have gone very far.
Already leadership or autocracy has produced high costs and problems to the majority only benefiting the top few percentage of population. So our system will not last until finally it is replaced by more accountable mass participation by the people.
That is where democracy can do better. It is time to bring back accountability with all major decision making which should be more like the democratic practice in widely practised democratic countries like collective decision process within cabinet as well as parliament.
The PM and his senior ministers should try to use its leadership in providing wisdom and guidance and finally make decisions with accountable consultations. Can't this kind of modified democracy be practised instead of one based on the ability or ego of one man or a few men even if we really want to evolve our own version of democracy. -
THE HOLOCAUST
Gosh, dear it is fire all over the city,
Destruction, holocaust and hell broke loose
What has happened, Matilah run run,
Oh dear god has gone insane,
Is he angry with men who sinned,
And preyed on fellow men,
Judging by the love he gave to this world,
With the blood of his only begotten son,
He must have indeed felt deep hurt within,
That once again he felt no sense in creating this world
That he might as well destroy all false edifice
All cities and glories of men while his work remains undone
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PRIDE RULES THE MAN
Pride rules the man
Born naked into this world,
Soon he learns to clothe
To cover his flaws head to toe
Adorn with vanity and garb,
To look great on the facade
To appear a greater man
But man within is naked
With nakedness of greed,
Self-glory and pride
With vanity of wants
No extricate exterior can hide
Restless is the man for vanity
And face nothing can hide,
Ultimately there is the truth,
That lives in the cycle of man
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hey goh meng seng...
you stand for election in the next GE???
if yes hor...
can ask pap why the piano guy only need to pay fine???
si bei buay song leh...
i feel like i wasted 2 and half years even more now leh...
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yes goh meng seng will be who we need. no need for scholars and all the yes men but someone who will just keep asking questions about high costs and ministers' high pays and why piano man is special.Originally posted by hyuuga neji:hey goh meng seng...
you stand for election in the next GE???
if yes hor...
can ask pap why the piano guy only need to pay fine???
si bei buay song leh...
i feel like i wasted 2 and half years even more now leh... -
Anyone here knows about the NEW WORLD ORDER.
Go read up on it guys. We're living in it right here in Singapore. -
Thanks, I will look it up.Originally posted by Hellraiza:Anyone here knows about the NEW WORLD ORDER.
Go read up on it guys. We're living in it right here in Singapore. -
My take...
Freedom....A state in which those in a priviliged position can freely exploit the population for their own benefit.
Democracy...A sytem in which the population is given a pre-planned choice pulled from the ranks of the privileged. Designed to give us the illusion of control.
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Why is Robert so jealous of others who do better than him?
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where did u get THAT from???Originally posted by Salman:Why is Robert so jealous of others who do better than him? -
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Robust debates were said to be welcome by leaders so as to debunk presumably false prophecy or artful arguments. But then from one issue to another, from NKF to the highway collapses, there is no sign of any robust engagements in CNA or this forum on issues raised except deletions, banning, disengagement and callings of names. What an anti-climate robustness has proven to be !!!Originally posted by pikamaster:where did u get THAT from??? -
Irrelevant, man...Originally posted by robertteh:Robust debates were said to be welcome by leaders so as to debunk presumably false prophecy or artful arguments. But then from one issue to another, from NKF to the highway collapses, there is no sign of any robust engagements in CNA or this forum on issues raised except deletions, banning, disengagement and callings of names. What an anti-climate robustness has proven to be !!! -
In the words of the Supreme Conster himselfOriginally posted by robertteh:Robust debates were said to be welcome by leaders so as to debunk presumably false prophecy or artful arguments. But then from one issue to another, from NKF to the highway collapses, there is no sign of any robust engagements in CNA or this forum on issues raised except deletions, banning, disengagement and callings of names. What an anti-climate robustness has proven to be !!!
"I welcome every opportunity to meet members of the opposition and so do members of my party, over the radio....We never run away from the open encounter.If your ideas , your views cannot stand the challenge of criticism then they are too fragile and not sturdy enough to last".
This is another example of the double speak, that the regime practices. The Supreme Conster says one thing and practices another. Parliament is filled with yes-men and Malaysian quitters and no one dares ask the hard hitting questions. -
That is my point. Thanks for reproducing this supremo's constant self-adulations about their assumed ability to rebut criticisms of shortcomings. But let us just go back a little to examine the criticisms of the people in the case of NKF and Nicol Highway Collapse..Up to now I still haven't seen any good rebuttal of the people's criticisms about the negligence of the ministers or lack of proactive preventative actions after the Hotel New World collapse findings.Originally posted by meleagent:In the words of the Supreme Conster himself
"I welcome every opportunity to meet members of the opposition and so do members of my party, over the radio....We never run away from the open encounter.If your ideas , your views cannot stand the challenge of criticism then they are too fragile and not sturdy enough to last".
This is another example of the double speak, that the regime practices. The Supreme Conster says one thing and practices another. Parliament is filled with yes-men and Malaysian quitters and no one dares ask the hard hitting questions.
So it is clear that our Leaders are kind of retreating into their shell and hope people will forget all their challenges to answer to criticisms meeting arguments for arguments. This is how robust the leaders' arguments that they are the leaders who never flinches from debunking of criticisms. Robustness has again lost their its true meaning....