read posts by Daikinbetter and Big Cannon King in YP, and CAROLINE1021 in sintercom. they will tell you that Singapore has a constitution that enshrines such rights within, only that they have some common-sense restrictions to prevent us from falling into Western anarchy.Originally posted by robertteh:WHY THERE IS A NEED TO ENSHRINE BASIC RIGHTS OF CITIZENS IN THE CONSTITUTIONS?
There is a simple reason - the rights of citizens such as freedom of speech, association and to elect their representatives without fear or favor cannot be compromised.
Why we cannot compromise such rights? The first reason is these rights are easily forgotten or overridden in our daily life or work against other needs such as protection of inter-citizens's rights under civil and criminal laws.
For example, there is a need to protect fellow citizen against defamation by another or inciting of others to violence or disorders.
However, the rights of citizens under the constitutions are rights of a higher category governing relationship of citizens with the state and their political participation essential to survival of the nation state.
Such rights are of a different species and should be differentiated from civil and criminal tresspasses for which citizens are already duly protected under the general laws.
If there is no clear distinction between the two- rights of citizens under constitution and under the general laws, politicians may easily use the general laws such as the defamation or other civil laws to contain dissents or control people without clear differentiation.
When politicians cannot draw the line between exercise of citizens' right of political participation and are able to sue the citizens for infringements of their personal civil rights, isn't there a bit and quite a bit of problems- citizens' rights to take part in political process may be compromised and subserve to lesser rights of individuals.
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I think an independent panel comprising a group of citizens is far better than all the committees set up to look after many aspects of governance.Originally posted by pikamaster:I have an extremely wild suggestion:
Replace the Speaker of Parliament and Parliamentary Secretaries with 10 THinkers (for lack of a better name):
1) an employer
2) an industrial worker
3) an executive
4) a k-12 student
5) a university student
6) a Christian
7) a MuslimA Hindu
9)A member of a minority religion
10)A special-interest party
Each Thinker's role is exclusive and unique. The politicians will debate, and then the Thinkers will vote. That way, when a BIll is passed, it can be assured that this is by the people's Mandate; that's true democracy. The Thinkers should not be fixed, rather they shall be different people each day of session.
The special-interest party will differ for every bill that is discussed. For a bill amending judicial law, we might have a judge. For a bill discussing motherhood (like the few recent bills), we would have a working mother as the special-interest party.
Only the last five Thinkers will have to be present at every Debate. For example, if it is a bill deciding on maternity leave for pregnant mothers, then obviously the students don't need to attend.
well, that's my wild suggestion. What do you guys think of it?
the inspired pikamaster
Like I said, I don't agree with those pple I quoted.Originally posted by robertteh:To: Pikamaster,
Those who claimed that Singapore constitution already enshrines basic citizens' rights as mentioned in the 7 points may be answering only half the question.
I wonder if these rights are really enshrined why we are still experiencing so many problems with openness, accountability and transparency in our political process.
The real issue is : are these basic rights enshrined such that they cannot be easily circumvented or compromised in anyway in actual practical governance?![]()
or it is sth. the new PM won't do, since he is far too entrenched in his Party to talk about real political reformation. He won't see what you said as a "challenge"; he would see it as a "threat". Remember what he said about "western-influenced liberals"? THat should give you a true representation of how far he is willing to change politics down here.Originally posted by robertteh:To: Pikamaster,
Thanks for sharing information from other forums on the same topic.
As to be expected the current constitution does not enshrine the basic rights of citizens in a desired manner based on the 7 points of true democracy.
It is for the government to understand people's wishes to have more openness, accountability and transparency in the current political system (characterized as a mixer of meritocracy, control and socialism) as posted in the 7 points.
With the post-war baby boomers fast retiring with a few years time, when they shall reach 62-65, there might be a vaccuum in our political landscape.
If young people are to respond to government's calls for greater civic participation in governance indeed, then they will need to know whether there will be better protection of citizens' basic rights that will not be easily compromised on the ground of sensitivity alone as sensitivity like you said differs according to interpretations by different people.
Some strategic study will be useful to evolve Singapore political model to one that truly provide desirable values to motivate an increasingly educated population to participate in governance and retain local talents. This is the greatest challenge to the new PM I guess.![]()
I agree... to a certain extent.Originally posted by fymk:The meaning of true democracy is *drum rolls*
There is no such thing as a true democracy!
If there is ....I will be running buck wild....
Right of assembly doesn't translate into having power to produce an effectIf any of the two aid Italian workers gets harmed, Berlusconi will be the next in line for the dole.
I REFER to XXXX's letter, 'Want to hear the silent majority? Let them assemble' (ST, Sept 10), in which he called for Singaporeans to be given the freedom to assemble and protest.
I urge Singaporeans not to be seduced by the powerful images of mass demonstrations in countries such as the United States, Russia and Australia.
It is often very easy and convenient to overlook the smallness of our nation and it is dangerous to chal-lenge the status quo blindly. We should understand that unlike the many vast Western democracies, a little instability could spell the end of our country.
It is a fallacy to suggest that being able to assemble and protest translates into greater political efficacy. Take the recent demonstrations in Italy, where tens of thousands urged their government to withdraw the 3,000 Italian troops in Iraq to save the lives of two Italian women aid workers held hostage by Iraqi militants. The result? The Italian government reaffirmed its commitment to keep its troops in Iraq till the job is done.
We need to be clear whether demonstrations are the means to an end or an end in themselves. Often, protesters demonstrate for the sake of demonstrating. Take the anti-Bush demonstrations in New York during the recent Republican convention.
What did they achieve? President George W. Bush pulled ahead of Democrat John Kerry after the convention. Americans merely saw the demonstrators who were trying to disrupt the convention as a nuisance and security hazard.
Recently, 7,500 school cleaners in New South Wales (NSW) walked off their jobs for one week, calling for better job security. They descended upon the Town Hall in central Sydney to voice their displeasure.
Many schools across NSW had to be closed because the principals did not want their students to fall sick due to poor hygiene conditions.
Instead of achieving their aim of getting greater concessions from the NSW Premier, the protesters only incurred the wrath of many parents whose children were affected by the protest, especially those whose kids would be taking the Higher School Certificate (A levels) in about a month's time.
These examples show that being able to assemble and protest does not translate into having the power to produce an effect. There are other more productive avenues for Singaporeans to provide constructive feedback to our leaders.
Instead of blindly clamouring for change, I urge Singaporeans to make an effort to comprehend the rationale behind policies and laws, in the context of a small, multi-ethnic and multi-religious society.
Anyone who has studied governance would know that it is the 'bread and butter' issues that are of most concern to the people of a country. In this regard, I cannot agree more with Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew's remark at the Global Brand Forum that political reform need not go hand in hand with economic liberalisation.
In my previous career, I had the opportunity to travel to many less-developed countries, such as Kenya, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Through such travels, I came to realise the crucial role of law in providing a framework for an orderly society. I saw how a country's people could suffer when abuses of political power were not curbed by the rule of law.
Singapore must never abandon its fundamentals - political stability, meritocracy and an incorruptible administration - in order to safeguard a strong economy and a secure environment.
I was heartened to read in a recent speech by Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong that our Government 'will not change just to please some Western-influenced liberals who apply their notion of democracy, pluralistic politics and freedom of the press unthinkingly to Singapore'.
Singapore is our home and, together, we must make the right choices for the Republic.
[name & address deleted]
Source: ST, 17/9/04
Originally posted by iveco:you know, ivevco, you might want to try writing a letter to the press rebutting "Xiao" Jia Wei's letter.
If any of the two aid Italian workers gets harmed, Berlusconi will be the next in line for the dole.
President Bush may yet lose his job. As the body count in Iraq rises, the nation's patience with him wears thin.
The right choice of the republic is to champion the rights of oppressed victims of state terrorism. To support the Palestinian cry for justice is to be a saint.
So far, Spain has been a paragon of virtue where the [b]illegal invasion and occuparion of Iraq is concerned. Same goes to the Phillipines.[/b]
just wondering,Originally posted by robertteh:To: Iveco,
Cause and effect relationship is often not fully understood or appreciated when people try to analyse or deal with problems.
If the root cause of a problem is not understood, people will attribute problems to symptoms rather than seeking for truths or real cures.
Demonstrations, assemblies and protests etc as mentioned are parts of symptoms of various ills in society.
The root causes of problems often lie elsewhere such as lack of checks and balances in political process, deprivations, lack of freedoms to express people's alternate views or grievances etc but not due to granting of rights of assemblies or demonstrations or protests.
To transient to the next level of our political maturity under the circumstances of more educated workforce, fast-paced changes and competitive environments of today, root causes of ills of society must be found and remedied at the fundamental governance level.
If people do not start from democracy with entrenchment or enshrining of basic rights of citizens, many problems will be locked in or suppressed waiting to be released one day sooner or later such as happening in the former Soviet Union or Suharto Indonesia.
Street demonstration in US or UK may happen but these demonstrations may help to release gradually certain problems which cannot happen in autocratic society.
In autocratic societies, the fact that there was no demonstration does not mean there is progress or no problems. Only fundamental democratic participation, openness, accountability and transparency with citizens being able to participate in governance with checks and balances can solve real problems.
The more open, accountable and transparent means the likelihood of cataclysmic changes such as demonstration, protests will be minimized.
So when our news media try to present a picture of freedoms leading to unrest, they are just giving one side of the human story.![]()
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ermmm....this *is* very interesting...but I fail to see its correlation to the topic...Originally posted by robertteh:I hope to share with all a simple hands-on managing process for upgrading efficiency and productivity in works or business as follows:-
INTUITIVE AND AD HOC APPROACH
According to Mark Twain, “The secret of getting ahead is to get started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex and overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks and then starting on the first one.”
Today, most business activities however, are still managed intuitively or in an ad hoc manner as witnessed by commonly held secrets of success, viz:-
1. Focus and Consistency.
2. Positive Work Attitude.
3. Foresight & Insight
4. Supportive Environment.
5. Passion & Determination.
6. Coordination, Teamwork and Bottom-up Approach.
7. Adaptation to Changing Environments.
8. Creativity and Entrepreneurship
9. Leverage on Strengths and avoidance of Weakness. (Sun Sze Art of War)
Clearly intuitive, abstract and individualistic approaches cannot be applied to actual work performance. The result will be predominance of concepts, policies, leadership or talent talks instead of real management excellence, efficiency and productivity.
Many traditional tasks on the other hand are already performed efficiently in divisible component processes defined in quality-time-cost parameters as in on-line banking, e-trading, travel-ticketing, CAD-CAM designing, transportation, logistics, stock-trading, accounting, telecommunications etc.
DOABLE WORK PROCESSES
Hence, anyone may perform his task more efficiently in divisible component tasks, namely: (1) Study of Ideas, (2) Enquiry, (3) Securing Contracts and (4) Contract Administration (Operations).
Business activities are actually contracts which can be outsourced or delegated in step 4 into ten departments, namely: 1.(General) 2.(Human Resource) 3.(Revenue) 4.(Accounts) 5.(Marketing) 6.(Services-all outsourced activities) 7.(Facility) 8.(Enforcement) 9. (Production) 10.(Compliance).
DEPARTMENT REPORT – OPERATIONAL/PROJECT MANAGEMENT
Pre-plan business activities by department of 3-4 CORE ACTIVITIES for hands-on monitoring in one-page department report as follows:-
1. Set up 3-4 Core Activities.
2. Define each core activity in 2-3 quality-time-cost parameters.
3. Perform Core Activities to attain parameters.
4. Inspect and feedback variances in “1”, “2” or “3” (or percentages) representing “non-attainment”, “attainment” and “excellent attainment” of parameters respectively.
5. Manage or monitor variances as reported in Department Reports every Friday by 1630 hour elaborated by a two-way communication task-line.
SEQUENTIAL WORK FORMS
Core activities can be divided into sequential in-out processes in Work Forms to guide workers to attain quality-time-cost excellence with mass participation and knowledge application by all.
TOTAL MANAGEMENT – COORDINATION AND KNOWLEDGE-BASED MANAGEMENT
In summary, all tasks can be processed in pre-planned processes, namely: (1) administrative form, (2) department report and (3) work form to attain results as elaborated in "Objective-steps Processing Management System".
Conceptual, intuitive, leadership or talent approaches will not result in doable work processes essential to efficiency and productivity. Try doable workable processes to attain hands-on efficiency and productivity.
Note: The above-mentioned guide is extracted from book “Objective-Steps Processing Management System” published by Robert Teh Kok Hua.![]()
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To: robertteh,Originally posted by robertteh:To: Pikamaster,
True democracy finally will work as planned in the constitutions when elected leaders are objective in implementations of various policies and objectives freed from self-justifications.![]()
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Salesman selling the product will run away as soon as there are problem with the product or its application. Company employing the salesman is not known. BUY AT YOUR OWN RISK!Originally posted by robertteh:Instead of forming many committees and expanding the government machinery to increase costs, just carry out the following:-
(1) Ministries and ministers being made responsible for any non-performance based on doable, accountable and transparent work processes.
(2) Practise the 7 points of true democracy in an accountable and transparent manner subject to scrutiny by parents, citizens and independent assessers.
(3) Deregulate past legislations and contractors'/suppliers registration system to promote entrepreneurships.
(4) Re-vise past formula of charging for government fees/charges to recover only consumption items and overheads. Taxes are collected to pay for essential services. So, waive Land costs or rentals on provisions of medical, utility, police and essential services. Charge land costs only for commercial services like licensing of rights, entertainments, advertising, port/air-port services, deals/contracts relating to investments etc etc.
(5) Conceptual schemes, presentations or justifications such as meritocracy, scholars, talents, more foreign talents, more incentives to attract foreigners did not work during crises and bad times are not that necessary. Efficiency and productivity should come from self-reliant and more resilient kinds of doable work processes to obtain results.
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