5 day work week. How about other matters on Saturdays?
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Wow, just a few relaxing days out of Singapore, and I receive an opening address of endearment - from of all persons in sgForums: TidalWave333.
Did a real "tidal wave" actually hit home, and washed away all the ills ?
Unfortunately, it will seem that the old reality remains.
Why do you always assume that one need to get angry, hostile, frustration, or even suffer bruised ego or pride in any exchanges here in this sgForum – especially with you ?
Is there a need to fall into such emotional weakness when each of us are entitled to our own creative thinking - that when private thoughts are put into print in this sgForum, it will invite challenges from minds that are either better or questionable ?
With your constant attempt at inference and persistent suggestions to infuse such reactions in others, surely it can only be revealing of your similar emotional dysfunction over my comments to the various issues raised by you ?
Can simple effort on your part to correcting economic facts and vocabulary jar my emotional state of mind so easily ?
You give yourself too much credit in thinking that you can affect my emotions or my sensibilities.
As was so clearly explained in at least two of my responses, the English Language remains an evolving language, that is more tolerant and accepting to its flexible application, then your dogmatic insistence in following your assumed standards and understanding.
If you use dictionaries as a guide of accepted norms of English, you may wish to note that even the latest Oxford Dictionary (or was it Cambridge) has begun to include SINGLISH words from Singapore.
If good English is intolerant of aberrations and dogmatism is pursued in maintaining its purity, will English remain relevant to this day ?
By the way, recognizing your good command in the use of English, does not necessarily qualify you to be an arbitrator of the Language.
Your self-acclaimed role simply confirms my suggestion of your pompously arrogant nature.
With regards to your preferred position concerning the economic concept of large population and unemployment, you insist on adopting preset concepts and theoretical assumptions – as shown in your post of 12 September 2004 – 5.00P.M. :
“ And if I may correct your ignorance of economics or economic reality, population or territorial size are not the only (and definitely not the most important) determinants of unemployment rates, otherwise, big countries with big populations would all be economic superpowers now (think China, India, Russia, Indonesia). In fact, statistically, small countries with small populations are more likely to succeed ….. You also made a paradoxical statement- if countries with industrial strength give it a headstart in dealing with unemployment problems, why haven’t they already done so eons ago? In cases like Germany or Australia, high unemployment rates have been an economic reality for many years compared to the past few years Singapore has experienced. “
Yet you will not engage my reply given, preferring to miss my points to suit your own debating agenda of winning any argument even by skipping issues.
The following is an extract of my reply 13 September 2004 – 08:13A.M.
“ China and India is already stirring from their many years of deep slumber, and even your beloved mentors from the Ruling Party is already telling Singaporeans to wake up to the challenges from these countries.
In the short span of the last 20 years, since China opened its doors, we have seen China's foreign reserves and trade surplusses increased in geometric proportions - that even outstripped Singapore's reserves by three times.
Are you still living in your preferred matrix vision ?
GermanyÂ’s present problem with a relative high unemployment percentage is due very much to the financial burden in absorbing the Communist half of East Germany - that brought with it a huge and inefficient economic and industrial structure, despite a well educated work force with good basic skills.
With Germany being part of a larger European Community, its national border is no longer a limitation to the opportunities available for its continued ability to resolve the unemployment problems. Being a member of a wider European Community has helped Germany to prevent an otherwise higher unemployment rate.
Is Australia having any problems in resolving her unemployment issue, or is its economy performing so well that the Australian Currency has increased in value over the Singapore Currency by more then 30 Percent between 2002 to 2004 ?
If small size has a better advantage – as you have stated by quoting from some source – then by your own measure of performance, where was Singapore in the same period that you suggested in measuring – “eons ago” ?
Your response to my reply given on 13 September 2004 - 12:59PM – was merely selective, and avoided giving any full reply.
“Yes, yes, yes to all that digressive drivel. But what are the unemployment rates in those countries? What is the point of rehashing economic clichés about India and China when no one is disagreeing about the size of their foreign reserves. The pertinent subject here is unemployment rates.(Answer: latest annual 2003 figures China 10% urban unemployment where ironically most jobs are; India:9.1%) Is Singapore not, and indeed the rest of the world, restructuring and taking note of the challenges posed by the two countries? For example the American government highlighting the outsourcing problem, the Japanese government fretting over its domestic industries moving to China etc. “
Did you reply in full to the issues posted in my earlier reply ? -
continuing post:
While I have been diligent to address your responses by quoting in full, and had attempted to give full reply to each and every point - as much as possible, your approach in giving selective responses to my points can only be seen as being dishonest – especially when you dishonestly claim those avoided issues as being petty, but yet will address other circumstantial issues that are even more insignificant.
One can only wonder if you do not have a preset agenda of preferring to focus your replies with a ‘political’ agenda to merely discredit my persona more then being interested in a debate.
Despite your poor attitude in being so arrogantly dismissive of my postings, as reflected in all of your selective replies, it is heartening to note that you are such a fan to my postings, and had even been able to quote from my own submission dated 21 August 2004 – 04.:04P.M.
Are you now trying to adopt me as your Mentor too ?
In your attempt to follow in my practice, it is unfortunate that you do not include honesty – even though you attempt to justify your copy of my approach by merely quoting me.from TidalWave333
With your continued taunts, insults, name callings, it is odd that your self-acclaimed superiority in the English Language will allow you to claim that “even this post is bereft of hostility” .
How can I possibly match your arrogance when I have only spoken in measured tones, and consciously refrained from pompous insults? I tolerated your abusive remarks and personal frustrations in good humour. Even this post is bereft of hostility.
How would you define “hostility” - that you deny being carried in your two part postings, when both parts included insults, sarcasm, ridicule, taunts, and harangues – all of which were aimed to achieve your political agenda of discrediting my persona ?
This is the ultimate proof of hypocritical dishonesty and arrogance on your part, which you continue to deny – like the “vain Emperor and his imaginary refined clothing”.
Since you are such an expert in so many fields as displayed from your wide range of seemingly expert comments – including your self-advertised ability to spot and correct errors in my print – perhaps you would like to join my staff as a “proof reader” ?
Lastly, do you expect anyone to believe that you have responded to all the “9 out of 9 posts” – merely on your say so - when all you did was to selectively pick and choose issues that are relevant only to your own ‘political’ agenda ?
The manner of your response from 10 September 2004 through to 17 September 2004, were out of synch with the number of my daily posts, as evidenced by your selective reply, and arrogant dismissal of issues that you have no answers for.
If you give yourself the liberty to be discourteous in the manner of selective reply, how can you even dare to criticize my response in similar reciprocating fashion ?
You ought to try harder if you think your can intimidate me with your childish attempts to destabilize my persona.
It is unfortunate that your tenacity to harangue my persona in this sgForum merely demeans your own position more then making any dent to mine.
Do you think that my spirit can be so easily vanquished merely on your suggestions ?
Revisiting your two posted response of 17 September 2004 – 10:07PM and 10:09 PM, and comparing your response to my single post of 17 September 2004 – 05:26PM, your AGITATED responses seems to be in total contrast to my CALM posting.
It would seem that the calmer my response, the more agitated you become.
Can one safely infer your maturity level from these past exchanges, when your expert use of language - to portray hollow victory to yourself - has been able to elicit positive responses only from those with weaker ability and susceptibly gullible minds ?
You ought to be more serious if you intend to succeed in driving me off this sgForum – especially if you claim that my intellectual writing is low, and I am so poorly read.
With your level of maturity displayed, do you seriously believe that you are qualified to question anyone's credential to be a Singapore Citizen ?
Do you think that your manner of blind support to an overbearing Government is doing any service to Singapore, or qualify you to be a better Citizen ?
Your arrogant attitude is typical of the Government and the Ruling Party - that it is disloyalty to Singapore by criticizing the Government or the Ruling Party.
It only confirms that 'your mind' is either 'dulled by a full stomach' according to the Political Maxim expounded by your beloved MM, or that you are prepared to turn a blind eye to the aberrations in the Civil and Political Life of Singapore that is perpetuated by the Ruling Party forming the Government.
What is the use for the good command of language(s), a supposedly well read mind, a supposedly educated person that believe in decorum in oneÂ’s conduct, and yet will prostitute all values for the sake of receiving material gains for one's own benefit and over a short term?
With your kind of arrogant, pompously self-righteous attitude and hypocritical values, it will not be surprising if you take on a more pathetic role in Singapore’s society – selling your soul for the sake of material advancement. -
PART ONE
Atobe dearest,
I see you have implicitly recognized the disadvantages of engaging in hostile mindless drivel that puts you in a poor position where public opinion is concerned.
It is amusing to observe that you have chosen to adopt a calmer disposition in your first post, as well as incorporate part of my vocabulary subsequently. I canÂ’t say the same for your second post of course, but it does reflect your tacit admission that you werenÂ’t going anywhere with the incoherent and illogical slobber.
For some reason, reading your post today has put me in a pleasant mood, and so I shall try to be extra nice to you in this response.
Atobe writesWhy do you always assume that one need to get angry, hostile, frustration, or even suffer bruised ego or pride in any exchanges here in this sgForum – especially with you ?
I ask myself the same questions when I read your previous posts. Your spiteful language, agitated tone and juvenile insults that come with the verbal garbage you produce have not gone unnoticed by other readers of this thread. From a psychological perspective, your questions can be interpreted as an inner search for answers to your own conundrum as you superficially pose them to me. They are actually meant for yourself, arenÂ’t they?
Atobe writesAs was so clearly explained in at least two of my responses, the English Language remains an evolving language, that is more tolerant and accepting to its flexible application, then your dogmatic insistence in following your assumed standards and understanding.
Yes, you are quite right in noting that languages are always evolving, and colloquialisms are included in dictionaries. But the issue is not one of language evolution or the inclusion of colloquialism. It is simply about your lack of mastery over it- the occasional spelling mistake, but extremely frequent syntactical errors and rambling sentences. As it is, when I correct you, they are ALWAYS YOUR own mistakes. I do NOT make them up, but I did dissolve into incredulous laugher when I read your horribly constructed remark criticizing my language use. FOUR mistakes in one sentence! Gosh! I also read with disbelief that you have anything to do with ‘proof reading’ in real life, but I suppose that explains why general standards are falling. Put simply- with you around, can one expect anything more?
If you use dictionaries as a guide of accepted norms of English, you may wish to note that even the latest Oxford Dictionary (or was it Cambridge) has begun to include SINGLISH words from Singapore.
If good English is intolerant of aberrations and dogmatism is pursued in maintaining its purity, will English remain relevant to this day ?
Atobe writesBy the way, recognizing your good command in the use of English, does not necessarily qualify you to be an arbitrator of the Language.
I did not crown myself as ‘arbitrator’. You did. (But no thanks.)
Atobe writesWith regards to your preferred position concerning the economic concept of large population and unemployment, you insist on adopting preset concepts and theoretical assumptionsÂ…Â…Â….Yet you will not engage my reply given, preferring to miss my points to suit your own debating agenda of winning any argument even by skipping issues.
I do NOT “skip issues” and I do NOT have an “agenda.” This whole issue arose out of the point on employment rates. You digressed, and promptly forgot what the focus was. Scroll back and refresh your memory. I do NOT “win” arguments by dictating the “agenda.” I simply produce facts, back it up with accurate statistics, and make a few relevant and logical statements to that effect. With your difficulties in economics, you should try it sometime. Works well for me.
(Note: New readers of this thread may wish to read it from PAGE ONE onwards, to learn about AtobeÂ’s record of misleading statements, inaccurate usage of economic numbers, and poor understanding of economic concepts. You will be highly entertained at the same time.)
Atobe writesWhile I have been diligent to address your responses by quoting in full, and had attempted to give full reply to each and every point - as much as possible, your approach in giving selective responses to my points can only be seen as being dishonest.
I wonÂ’t bother to correct this horribly constructed sentence. (*gets goosepimples*). What I wish to say is that the simple reason why I do not quote every word from you is because most sentences are just insults, do not make sense or progress the debate further, and are thus unworthy of appearing TWICE in a public forum. The ungrammatical remarks are already an eyesore just by appearing once- there is no need to prolong or repeat the agony. I respond to ALL relevant issues (unlike you who suffers from selective amnesia apparently), but I see no need to engage in crude meaningless drivel at your expense.
Atobe writesOne can only wonder if you do not have a preset agenda of preferring to focus your replies with a ‘political’ agenda to merely discredit my persona more then being interested in a debate.
The evidence is overwhelming- where numbers, reason and fact are concerned in this thread. Whether your public ‘persona’ has been discredited as a result was long a foregone conclusion even before I participated in this forum. One only needs to look at previous threads, and the responses from other readers. If you lose your credibility through ignorance, spite, crudity and generally by bullying others, it is your OWN doing. Do not blame it on me.
Atobe writesDespite your poor attitude in being so arrogantly dismissive of my postings, as reflected in all of your selective replies, it is heartening to note that you are such a fan to my postings, and had even been able to quote from my own submission dated 21 August 2004 – 04.:04P.M.
I must admit I AM quite a fan of your ignorance. SgForums is a treasure trove of your stupidity and arrogance. It has provided me (and no doubt other educated readers) with many laughs. But your pattern is getting predictable- posting an article from the papers, writing a few ignorant remarks with your half-baked economic and political ideas, before opening it up to the rest of the forum. Have you considered a change to your self-serving act? LikeÂ….. actually writing a well researched, thoughtful and grammatical post before inviting opinions from others? (Hahahaha!
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PART TWO
Atobe writesAre you now trying to adopt me as your Mentor too ?
UmmÂ…thanks for offering yourselfÂ…Â…but no thanks.
Atobe writesWith your continued taunts, insults, name callings, it is odd that your self-acclaimed superiority in the English Language will allow you to claim that “even this post is bereft of hostility”.
My posts ARE objective. What agenda might that be? What do I seek to achieve? As for ‘discrediting’ your persona (Hahahaha!
How would you define “hostility” - that you deny being carried in your two part postings, when both parts included insults, sarcasm, ridicule, taunts, and harangues – all of which were aimed to achieve your political agenda of discrediting my persona ? ), you have already demonstrated it’s entirely your own doing. 
Atobe writesSince you are such an expert in so many fields as displayed from your wide range of seemingly expert comments – including your self-advertised ability to spot and correct errors in my print – perhaps you would like to join my staff as a “proof reader” ?
Wow, a job offer……but no thanks (for the third time). I am sure you need assistance to “proof read.” Afterall, if you depend on just yourself, nothing will ever get done. If I need a ‘leader’ to guide me, or intend to work for others, I prefer that my boss has the intellectual ability of at least a garden snail besides the appropriate language skills. (See how nice I am to you, I could have compared you to something worse. )
Atobe writesLastly, do you expect anyone to believe that you have responded to all the “9 out of 9 posts” – merely on your say so - when all you did was to selectively pick and choose issues that are relevant only to your own ‘political’ agenda ?
If you do not believe I have responded to ALL relevant issues in 9 out of 9 posts, simply re-read, and confirm it for yourself. Take away the personal frustrations, anger, and meaningless drivelÂ….and you will discover there is very little substance, but a lot of garbage.
Atobe writesÂ…Â… all of which were aimed to achieve your political agenda of discrediting my persona ? You ought to try harder if you think your can intimidate me with your childish attempts to destabilize my persona.
Do you feel threatened? Why are you manifesting the behaviour of a pitiful man under siege? Why do you keep pretending you have any semblance of credibility left? Or that I need to destroy you? ItÂ’s all nonsense, and just your mind playing tricks on you. My intentions and motives are entirely honourable.
Atobe writesIt would seem that the calmer my response, the more agitated you become.
I like this remark very much! (Hahaha! ) It is an apt description of your behaviour, and your explicit attempt to “change” reality simply by stating the opposite, hoping others will be influenced, and hence recreating actuality. From a psychological perspective again, it is a reflection of your self-doubt and tacit recognition of past behaviour.
Atobe writesYou ought to be more serious if you intend to succeed in driving me off this sgForum – especially if you claim that my intellectual writing is low, and I am so poorly read.
I think I need to spend some time compiling your errors from all posts in this thread- poor language use, poor understanding of economics and politics, and incoherent rambling. But thatÂ’ll prove to be a long and tedious task considering the number of mistakes there are. But it IS the best antidote to your condition of selective amnesia.
Atobe writesDo you think that your manner of blind support to an overbearing Government is doing any service to Singapore, or qualify you to be a better Citizen ?
You are quite mistaken in all three assumptions. Your pathological hatred of Singapore, and all things Singaporean has blinded you to the fact that this country and its people are not all-bad, all-evil, all-materialistic, all-unthinking and all-conspiring. There are many achievements one can be justifiably proud of. I am not a 'blind' supporter just because my views do not converge with yours- I can ‘see very well’, my mind is clear, and I recognize there are areas that need improvement. But I do not labour under the self-important burden you carry- poor, pitiful Atobe, who thinks the weight of reform is on him, and his to carry alone *sniffs and wipes a tear away*
Your arrogant attitude is typical of the Government and the Ruling Party - that it is disloyalty to Singapore by criticizing the Government or the Ruling Party.
It only confirms that 'your mind' is either 'dulled by a full stomach' according to the Political Maxim expounded by your beloved MM, or that you are prepared to turn a blind eye to the aberrations in the Civil and Political Life of Singapore that is perpetuated by the Ruling Party forming the Government.
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Atobe writesWith your kind of arrogant, pompously self-righteous attitude and hypocritical values, it will not be surprising if you take on a more pathetic role in Singapore’s society – selling your soul for the sake of material advancement.
Best to look at yourself, and rectify your psychological hatred of Singapore, Singaporeans, and the people who participate in this forum. ItÂ’ll do your mental health a whole lot of good and make more constructive reading here.
p.s. if you need a few days to mount a counter-response, do not feel apologetic. You are always welcome to have a 'few days abroad' frequently to 'juggle between working and writing here'. I look forward to your reply. -
the whole thing abt a 5-day work week is just another stint by the PAP to pull e wool over our eyes so as to bolster up Mr Lee's approval ratings as PM...
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Tsk, tsk, tsk, still attempting to be charming by projecting a kinder front, while wielding a knife expertly to cut me from the bottom up ?
Why bother with the terms of endearment when your intention is hypocritically bent on defacing my persona ?
From these two part posts that you have posted, it already confirmed your preferred style of response, by selectively picking on issues that you can control in your continued verbal assault, and to clearly avoid issues that you have nothing to respond to that will only result in your submission to my argument.
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Atobe writesWhy do you always assume that one need to get angry, hostile, frustration, or even suffer bruised ego or pride in any exchanges here in this sgForum – especially with you ?
I ask myself the same questions when I read your previous posts. Your spiteful language, agitated tone and juvenile insults that come with the verbal garbage you produce have not gone unnoticed by other readers of this thread. From a psychological perspective, your questions can be interpreted as an inner search for answers to your own conundrum as you superficially pose them to me. They are actually meant for yourself, arenÂ’t they?
Why bother with rephrasing the issues posted, when it clearly reflect yourself as much as you claim that they are mine ? (Further occurrences below)
You are certainly behaving like the “vain Emperor so proud of his invisible clothes” – vainly believing that only your own opinion is of more value.
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Atobe writesAs was so clearly explained in at least two of my responses, the English Language remains an evolving language, that is more tolerant and accepting to its flexible application, then your dogmatic insistence in following your assumed standards and understanding.
Yes, you are quite right in noting that languages are always evolving, and colloquialisms are included in dictionaries. But the issue is not one of language evolution or the inclusion of colloquialism. It is simply about your lack of mastery over it- the occasional spelling mistake, but extremely frequent syntactical errors and rambling sentences. As it is, when I correct you, they are ALWAYS YOUR own mistakes. I do NOT make them up, but I did dissolve into incredulous laugher when I read your horribly constructed remark criticizing my language use. FOUR mistakes in one sentence! Gosh! I also read with disbelief that you have anything to do with ‘proof reading’ in real life, but I suppose that explains why general standards are falling. Put simply- with you around, can one expect anything more?
If you use dictionaries as a guide of accepted norms of English, you may wish to note that even the latest Oxford Dictionary (or was it Cambridge) has begun to include SINGLISH words from Singapore.
If good English is intolerant of aberrations and dogmatism is pursued in maintaining its purity, will English remain relevant to this day ?
So finally, you admit that languages are evolving, and will allow new words to be included. Words that you have now prefer to label as “colloquialisms”.
What happen to your entrenched position deriding my preferred term of a “working HOUSEWIFE” that seem to have jarred your senses ?
Yet – this time around - you avoid pursuing with your critique to a “Working HOUSEWIFE” but will digress - “simply about your lack of mastery over it – the occasional spelling mistake, but extremely frequent syntactical errors, and rambling sentences”.
If this is not a clear example of your style of deception in AVOIDING issues that can undermine your focused effort on a single issue – to discredit my persona.
Is this is the kind of Honest Values that you wish to project ?
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Atobe writesBy the way, recognizing your good command in the use of English, does not necessarily qualify you to be an arbitrator of the Language.
I did not crown myself as ‘arbitrator’. You did. (But no thanks.)
Did I crown you, or have you deluded yourself with your supreme vanity ?
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Atobe writesWith regards to your preferred position concerning the economic concept of large population and unemployment, you insist on adopting preset concepts and theoretical assumptionsÂ…Â…Â….Yet you will not engage my reply given, preferring to miss my points to suit your own debating agenda of winning any argument even by skipping issues.
I do NOT “skip issues” and I do NOT have an “agenda.” This whole issue arose out of the point on employment rates. You digressed, and promptly forgot what the focus was. Scroll back and refresh your memory. I do NOT “win” arguments by dictating the “agenda.” I simply produce facts, back it up with accurate statistics, and make a few relevant and logical statements to that effect. With your difficulties in economics, you should try it sometime. Works well for me.
This entire episode was supposed to be about a 5-day workweek, and yet you will hijack the thread in a useless exercise to display your arrogance in deriding someone elseÂ’s opinion.
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So this exercise is merely about the center stage, the spotlight, the adulation and admiration that you are only seeking.
(Note: New readers of this thread may wish to read it from PAGE ONE onwards, to learn about AtobeÂ’s record of misleading statements, inaccurate usage of economic numbers, and poor understanding of economic concepts. You will be highly entertained at the same time .)
A deep set psychological need for public acceptance, recognition and adulation ?
So far I have not seen persona of more substance supporting your position – except for some “papier-mache” characters, and one self-acclaimed member from NSP who is a dogged defender to the Ruling Party. I am relieved that one who believe that being “stupid is smart” did not enter the fray as it will be quite a stupendous event.
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Atobe writesWhile I have been diligent to address your responses by quoting in full, and had attempted to give full reply to each and every point - as much as possible, your approach in giving selective responses to my points can only be seen as being dishonest.
I wonÂ’t bother to correct this horribly constructed sentence. (*gets goosepimples*). What I wish to say is that the simple reason why I do not quote every word from you is because most sentences are just insults, do not make sense or progress the debate further, and are thus unworthy of appearing TWICE in a public forum. The ungrammatical remarks are already an eyesore just by appearing once- there is no need to prolong or repeat the agony. I respond to ALL relevant issues (unlike you who suffers from selective amnesia apparently), but I see no need to engage in crude meaningless drivel at your expense.
Another visible piece of your superbly self-indulging statement to shore up your own vain position of hollowness, which only lead you to avoid issues that you cannot respond to. -
PART TWO
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Atobe writesOne can only wonder if you do not have a preset agenda of preferring to focus your replies with a ‘political’ agenda to merely discredit my persona more then being interested in a debate.
The evidence is overwhelming- where numbers, reason and fact are concerned in this thread. Whether your public ‘persona’ has been discredited as a result was long a foregone conclusion even before I participated in this forum. One only needs to look at previous threads, and the responses from other readers. If you lose your credibility through ignorance, spite, crudity and generally by bullying others, it is your OWN doing. Do not blame it on me.
It is merely your own opinion concerning the status of my persona, which you seem to find it intolerable with the positions that I prefer to take concerning some issues.
In a public forum like this, I expect to get uncomplimentary remarks to my various posts in the different threads in this sgForums. On balance those who are my detractors are mostly too juvenile to be of any consequence, while those who carry the same views as myself – have at least shown that there is some common shared experience despite coming from different backgrounds.
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Atobe writesDespite your poor attitude in being so arrogantly dismissive of my postings, as reflected in all of your selective replies, it is heartening to note that you are such a fan to my postings, and had even been able to quote from my own submission dated 21 August 2004 – 04.:04P.M.
I must admit I AM quite a fan of your ignorance. SgForums is a treasure trove of your stupidity and arrogance. It has provided me (and no doubt other educated readers) with many laughs. But your pattern is getting predictable- posting an article from the papers, writing a few ignorant remarks with your half-baked economic and political ideas, before opening it up to the rest of the forum. Have you considered a change to your self-serving act? LikeÂ….. actually writing a well researched, thoughtful and grammatical post before inviting opinions from others? (Hahahaha! )
In a public forum, one must be prepared to have quite a thick skin to “absorb as much as one has dished out”.
With regards to your preference to well researched thoughtful and grammatical post – you must have missed out on earlier pieces, having only joined this sgForum only on 4 September 2004.
Still a juvenile then, and not too serious about Life or being interested in Politics ?
Little wonder that the Government is lamenting about the dearth of [acceptable] talent.
If you happened to have a few good laughs from some posts that you managed to view, it has at least drawn your attention.
In any case, as the often repeated adage goes - “the one who laughs last, will be laughing the best”.
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Atobe writesLastly, do you expect anyone to believe that you have responded to all the “9 out of 9 posts” – merely on your say so - when all you did was to selectively pick and choose issues that are relevant only to your own ‘political’ agenda ?
If you do not believe I have responded to ALL relevant issues in 9 out of 9 posts, simply re-read, and confirm it for yourself. Take away the personal frustrations, anger, and meaningless drivelÂ….and you will discover there is very little substance, but a lot of garbage.
Calm down, calm down, I believe you – surely you must have expertly addressed every issue in all my 9 posts, when at the same time you have just indicated so clearly about your position taken in PART ONE that:
“What I wish to say is that the simple reason why I do not quote every word from you is because most sentences are just insults, do not make sense or progress the debate further, and are thus unworthy of appearing TWICE in a public forum.”
How do you reply 9 out of 9 posts when you do not even care to give some degree of indulgence to all that you see in my posts - which you have so eloquently described in your PART ONE (above) just to merely give yourself a decent way out ?
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Atobe writesÂ…Â… all of which were aimed to achieve your political agenda of discrediting my persona ? You ought to try harder if you think your can intimidate me with your childish attempts to destabilize my persona.
Do you feel threatened? Why are you manifesting the behaviour of a pitiful man under siege? Why do you keep pretending you have any semblance of credibility left? Or that I need to destroy you? ItÂ’s all nonsense, and just your mind playing tricks on you. My intentions and motives are entirely honourable.
Threatened ? From someone who took so long to sign up on this sgForum ?
I thought I was already a late comer to this interesting place – with all the colorful names that abound, each ‘nick’ taken that quite accurately reflect the persona behind.
Note that "Tidal Wave" is not as threatening as seen, since it always end as a deflated "whumpph" in its final existence as an impotent puddle.
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Atobe writesIt would seem that the calmer my response, the more agitated you become.
I like this remark very much! (Hahaha! ) It is an apt description of your behaviour, and your explicit attempt to “change” reality simply by stating the opposite, hoping others will be influenced, and hence recreating actuality. From a psychological perspective again, it is a reflection of your self-doubt and tacit recognition of past behaviour.
Do I have the powers “to ‘change’ reality simply by stating the opposite, hoping others will be influenced, and hence recreating actuality” ?
Now, now, let us revist your opening statement in your PART ONE post:TidalWave333 date 20 September 2004 – 12:47 PM
Now did I change ‘reality’ or was it a fact that my calmer disposition has always agitatedly riled you into a greater and doubled effort to debunk my position ?
Atobe dearest,
I see you have implicitly recognized the disadvantages of engaging in hostile mindless drivel that puts you in a poor position where public opinion is concerned.
It is amusing to observe that you have chosen to adopt a calmer disposition in your first post, as well as incorporate part of my vocabulary subsequently. I canÂ’t say the same for your second post of course, but it does reflect your tacit admission that you werenÂ’t going anywhere with the incoherent and illogical slobber.
For some reason, reading your post today has put me in a pleasant mood, and so I shall try to be extra nice to you in this response. -
PART THREE
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Atobe writesYou ought to be more serious if you intend to succeed in driving me off this sgForum – especially if you claim that my intellectual writing is low, and I am so poorly read.
I think I need to spend some time compiling your errors from all posts in this thread- poor language use, poor understanding of economics and politics, and incoherent rambling. But thatÂ’ll prove to be a long and tedious task considering the number of mistakes there are. But it IS the best antidote to your condition of selective amnesia.
Am I suffering from amnesia, or is it the double standards being practiced here that is causing someone to be confused as to which side of the table one should be sitting at ?
I wonder which mind concocted those self-righteous and derogatory words of accusation of “prevaricating, drivel, avoidance, resolve to evade truth” ?
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Atobe writesDo you think that your manner of blind support to an overbearing Government is doing any service to Singapore, or qualify you to be a better Citizen ?
You are quite mistaken in all three assumptions. Your pathological hatred of Singapore, and all things Singaporean has blinded you to the fact that this country and its people are not all-bad, all-evil, all-materialistic, all-unthinking and all-conspiring. There are many achievements one can be justifiably proud of. I am not a 'blind' supporter just because my views do not converge with yours- I can ‘see very well’, my mind is clear, and I recognize there are areas that need improvement. But I do not labour under the self-important burden you carry- poor, pitiful Atobe, who thinks the weight of reform is on him, and his to carry alone *sniffs and wipes a tear away*
Your arrogant attitude is typical of the Government and the Ruling Party - that it is disloyalty to Singapore by criticizing the Government or the Ruling Party.
It only confirms that 'your mind' is either 'dulled by a full stomach' according to the Political Maxim expounded by your beloved MM, or that you are prepared to turn a blind eye to the aberrations in the Civil and Political Life of Singapore that is perpetuated by the Ruling Party forming the Government. .
In your own self-indulging arrogance of your own position, you fail to recognize that opposing the Ruling Party – which happen to form the Government – is NOT being disloyal to Singapore.
Opposing the Government POLICIES is not OPPOSING SINGAPORE.
No one can control what you prefer to see or what you prefer to think.
I am in no position to convince you or anyone of my preferred POLITICAL values, if anyone’s views happen to converge with mine (as much as yours ‘happen’ to converge with the Ruling Party, or that of the Government) then it is sheer co-incidence of circumstances in POLITICS.
It is everyoneÂ’s duty to be involved and be attuned to POLITICS, and your own derogatory remarks concerning my pro-active political views (albeit opposing the Government and the Ruling Party most of the time) is unfortunate, and does not help in the overall efforts to make Singaporeans more participative in the Singapore LIFE.
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Atobe writesWith your kind of arrogant, pompously self-righteous attitude and hypocritical values, it will not be surprising if you take on a more pathetic role in Singapore’s society – selling your soul for the sake of material advancement.
Best to look at yourself, and rectify your psychological hatred of Singapore, Singaporeans, and the people who participate in this forum. ItÂ’ll do your mental health a whole lot of good and make more constructive reading here.
Your preferred inference to my posts is unfortunate, and is only reflective of the deep set perverse perceptions that you already have made over the last few days.
As you have so eloquently stated, and should also be applicable to your present seemingly disturbed position, if you will allow me to borrow an extract from your post –
Extract from TidalWave333 – 20 September 2004 – 12:47 PM
Your spiteful language, agitated tone and juvenile insults that come with the verbal garbage you produce have not gone unnoticed by other readers of this thread. From a psychological perspective, your questions can be interpreted as an inner search for answers to your own conundrum as you superficially pose them to me. They are actually meant for yourself, arenÂ’t they?
Reviewing this paragraph, perhaps you should seriously withdraw into self-reflecction ?
At the risk of subjecting to your preferred objection to being exposed to ‘drivel’ – to save you the effort to scroll back up this screen – here is my remarks about “LOYALTY”
Loyalty to Singapore DOES NOT requires full support to the politics practiced by the Ruling Party.
Disagreement with, or having opposing views towards, Government Policies is not disloyal to Singapore or Singaporeans.
It is pathetic that for such a highly educated person that you try to project yourself, you will not subscribe to such a basic principle.
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p.s. if you need a few days to mount a counter-response, do not feel apologetic. You are always welcome to have a 'few days abroad' frequently to 'juggle between working and writing here'. I look forward to your reply.
Thanks for this unsolicited generosity, the trips abroad are helpful to see reality at work, and not bound by theories, dogmas, statistics – that can be shaped, re-visited with new interpretations, distorted, and re-configured.
Perhaps you should get out of your closeted environment and see the World beyond theories, dogmas and statistics. -
The two of you get a kick out of this?
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Both of us should be having fun, othwise why bother to spend so much time and effort ?Originally posted by :The two of you get a kick out of this? -
Exactly, the Private Sector has already been practicing 5-day work week since 1980s, and some private sector companies were already having flexi-working hours that do not necessarily total up to a 45 hour workweek.Originally posted by devoid05:the whole thing abt a 5-day work week is just another stint by the PAP to pull e wool over our eyes so as to bolster up Mr Lee's approval ratings as PM...
All this exaggerated publicity of 'TURNING OVER ANOTHER STONE' is just to blow hot air to show that "mountains" will be moved - when the stone is nothing more than 'mud-bricks', and the "mountains" are nothing more than "ant hills".
If the NEW PM is truly interested in 'TURNING OVER STONES' that are "stuck solidly into the ground" over the last 30 odd years of independence, he should be making more important and significant changes that will improve the POLITICAL environment in Singapore. -
PART ONE
Atobe Dearest,
These posts are certainly far more sensible than the ones from last week. While you can certainly do more to improve your decorum, I detect an effort to be more conciliatory and logical. What could have possibly resulted in such a change of heart?
I doubt anyone made insidious comments about you, or woke you up in the middle of the night with loud knocks.
Is this a great pretence to contain the damage to your ‘persona’ which you unknowingly inflicted on yourself…..or a genuine change of heart now that you find yourself cornered and entangled in your own web of deceit and abuse?
Atobe writesTsk, tsk, tsk, still attempting to be charming by projecting a kinder front, while wielding a knife expertly to cut me from the bottom up ?
I made myself quite clear in the previous post. I have no interest in ‘defacing’ or ‘destabilizing’ or ‘discrediting’ your persona…or ….making you look bad in any way here. You have already done the job admirably yourself, and I cannot possibly claim credit for it.
Why bother with the terms of endearment when your intention is hypocritically bent on defacing my persona ?
Atobe writesYou are certainly behaving like the “vain Emperor so proud of his invisible clothes” – vainly believing that only your own opinion is of more value.
Opinions that are substantiated by facts and figures are certainly more worthy of attention. Place two opinions side-by-side: one with incoherent and vile remarks shot off like a loose cannon, and the other one backed up with relevant evidence…it shouldn’t be too difficult to decide which is of ‘more value’.
Are you ‘crowning’ me as Emperor now? (hehe) Do you think my opinion is of more value than yours? Let other readers judge for themselves (as many have already done).
Atobe writesSo finally, you admit that languages are evolving, and will allow new words to be included. Words that you have now prefer to label as “colloquialisms”.
As usual, your limited vocabulary fails you. I think you have difficulty understanding the lexical meaning of ‘colloquialism’. Let me write briefly (and nicely) to explain.
What happen to your entrenched position deriding my preferred term of a “working HOUSEWIFE” that seem to have jarred your senses ?
Colloquialism refers to INFORMAL SPOKEN language being used in a FORMAL WRITTEN context. Singlish (Singapore Colloquial English) is included in local dictionaries which research/compile local lexicon, but NOT in Longman or Oxford editions.
American Colloquialism
E.g. “It’s swell that Atobe likes garden snails in soups” instead of
“it’s wonderful that Atobe likes garden snails in soups”
Singaporean Colloquialism
E.g. “Atobe blur like sotong?” instead of
“Atobe is stupid?” (sotong literally 'squid' in Malay, but figuratively stupid. 'Blur' is colloquial for 'stupid' as well.)
‘Working housewives’ is not colloquialism. It is neither Singlish, nor colloquial. It’s an oxymoron, and a reflection of your inability to grasp the nuances of the English language. That’s the nicest way I can think of to describe your language ability. The primary occupation of a housewife is to take care of the household. As I suggested previously, ask your neighbour or a primary school kid to enlighten you.
In case you have difficulty understanding the term ‘oxymoron’…...it’s simply a term used to describe the combination of contradictory words like ‘mini saga’. Use a dictionary to find out more.
Why donÂ’t you sign up for EL101 in NUS? You will have fun learning about acrolectal, mesolectal and basilectal forms of spoken English in Singapore. Saves me from conducting mini lessons here.
Atobe writes (20 September 2004)If you use dictionaries as a guide of accepted norms of English, you may wish to note that even the latest Oxford Dictionary (or was it Cambridge) has begun to include SINGLISH words from Singapore.
I can see you have full mastery over your facts. I wonÂ’t ask about the relevant edition until you know which dictionary you are referring to.
Atobe writes (20 September 2004)
By the way, recognizing your good command in the use of English, does not necessarily qualify you to be an arbitrator of the Language.
Tidalwave responds (20 September 2004)
I did not crown myself as ‘arbitrator’. You did. (But no thanks.)
Atobe responds (21 September 2004)
Did I crown you, or have you deluded yourself with your supreme vanity ?
I do not see myself as an arbitrator of the language. Neither should you SUGGEST I am one by CROWNING me as one. For the lexical meaning of ‘inference’, I suggest you look up a dictionary again.
Atobe writesThis entire episode was supposed to be about a 5-day workweek, and yet you will hijack the thread in a useless exercise to display your arrogance in deriding someone elseÂ’s opinion.
I do not deride opinions, including yours. Did you feel you were being treated with derision and contempt? I treated you with the upmost respect and refrained from name-calling (which is more than I can say of you of course.) In fact, I also bore your repetitive and tedious insults with good humour. Where ignorance was displayed, I pointed them out accordingly. Correcting you is not equivalent to treating you with disrespect.
Atobe writesSo this exercise is merely about the center stage, the spotlight, the adulation and admiration that you are only seeking.
Again, correcting you is not an Olympic sport. In fact, a few have pointed out that talking to you is ‘dirty work’.
A deep set psychological need for public acceptance, recognition and adulation ?
Atobe writesSo far I have not seen persona of more substance supporting your position – except for some “papier-mache” characters, and one self-acclaimed member from NSP who is a dogged defender to the Ruling Party. I am relieved that one who believe that being “stupid is smart” did not enter the fray as it will be quite a stupendous event.
Gibberish. You tok tok wat har?
Atobe writesAnother visible piece of your superbly self-indulging statement to shore up your own vain position of hollowness, which only lead you to avoid issues that you cannot respond to.
I was just being factual. LetÂ’s get back to economic and political issues soon. ItÂ’s boring playing your game of rebutting insults although I understand why you avoid going back to the REAL issues assiduously. I donÂ’t want to sound patronizingÂ…but you realize I have been giving you time to read up in the last few days by penning responses to your meaningless drivelÂ…Â…why would anyone engage you with kid gloves otherwise?
Atobe writesIt is merely your own opinion concerning the status of my persona, which you seem to find it intolerable with the positions that I prefer to take concerning some issues
You seem to have an obsession with the word ‘persona’. Maybe I should come up with another top nine list soon. We are not in a literary work, and you are not a literary character. Check the dictionary for the meaning of ‘persona’. -
PART TWO
Atobe writesWith regards to your preference to well researched thoughtful and grammatical post – you must have missed out on earlier pieces, having only joined this sgForum only on 4 September 2004.
It’s funny you should say that…evidently you equate the date of participation with experience. I made myself quite clear when I pointed out your pattern of posting here- pasting a newspaper article, writing a few ignorant remarks, and inviting others to join in. I have read all your posts, and most threads. You don’t need ME to tell YOU what I think of your opinions in those threads. Instead of just laughing at your frivolous and half-baked ideas in other threads (which you seem to think are intelligent), perhaps you want grand exposes of your ignorance elsewhere too? I am also amused that I am now a ‘juvenile’…after being given adult-like labels such as ‘government mentee’, ‘trained economist’, ‘technocrat’, ‘civil servant’ etc by you. Consistency dear boy!
Still a juvenile then, and not too serious about Life or being interested in Politics ?
Atobe writesHow do you reply 9 out of 9 posts when you do not even care to give some degree of indulgence to all that you see in my posts - which you have so eloquently described in your PART ONE (above) just to merely give yourself a decent way out ?
As I mentioned earlier, most of your recent posts are insults and verbal garbage. There is no need to respond to insults and the like. I am quite happy to let you (1) make them, (2) enjoy a few indulgences, and (3) portray yourself as a hapless, pitiful man under siege. I see no need to invite contempt from others by sinking to your level.
Atobe writesThreatened ? From someone who took so long to sign up on this sgForum ?
What does the date of participation…….errr…have to do with anything? If you do not feel threatened, why do YOU keep insisting (repeatedly) I am out to wreck your ‘persona’? A few examples to refresh your memory:
1. One can only wonder if you do not have a preset agenda of preferring to focus your replies with a ‘political’ agenda to merely discredit my persona more then being interested in a debate.
2. How would you define “hostility” - that you deny being carried in your two part postings, when both parts included insults, sarcasm, ridicule, taunts, and harangues – all of which were aimed to achieve your political agenda of discrediting my persona ?
3. You ought to try harder if you think your can intimidate me with your childish attempts to destabilize my persona.
4. Why bother with the terms of endearment when your intention is hypocritically bent on defacing my persona ?
5. If this is not a clear example of your style of deception in AVOIDING issues that can undermine your focused effort on a single issue – to discredit my persona
Digressing a little, do you see how nice I am to you? I could have easily created another top 10 list ‘Atobe Portrays Himself as a Victimized Persona’, but I resisted the temptation. (Hahahaha! )
Atobe writesI thought I was already a late comer to this interesting place – with all the colorful names that abound, each ‘nick’ taken that quite accurately reflect the persona behind.
Why do you make it so easy for me to portray you as juvenile? This isnÂ’t primary school where kids make fun of given names or give nicknames. Just as a fire can kill and destroy, it can also be smothered and turned into wisps of smoke. When you buy a book, do you just read the title, OR look at how colourful the cover is? Regardless, either option makes u look silly.
Atobe writesDo I have the powers “to ‘change’ reality simply by stating the opposite, hoping others will be influenced, and hence recreating actuality” ?
I am afraid being delusional is your forte. Unfortunately, being informed isnÂ’t.
Atobe writesIf you happened to have a few good laughs from some posts that you managed to view, it has at least drawn your attention.
Dead right about that. I couldnÂ’t believe the sheer ignorance displayed, the amount of ill-will you earned, the abuse you heaped on othersÂ…..and most importantly, the number of private messages I received from strangers between 16-17 September. In fact, I took the liberty of forwarding your posts on the 13 and 16 September to friends working in _________ for some glee and hilarity. At least your economic ignorance produced some useful benefits.
Atobe writesAm I suffering from amnesia, or is it the double standards being practiced here that is causing someone to be confused as to which side of the table one should be sitting at ?
It must be the former. Your selective amnesia has caused you to forget the boo-boos you made in economic statistics, language use, and other miscellaneous facts.
Atobe writesIn your own self-indulging arrogance of your own position, you fail to recognize that opposing the Ruling Party – which happen to form the Government – is NOT being disloyal to Singapore.
Actually, these are very sensible sentiments you have. I do not take issue with them. At the same time, they remind me of the language used, and the mud-slinging between Democrats and Republicans in the coming American Presidential election.
Opposing the Government POLICIES is not OPPOSING SINGAPORE.
No one can control what you prefer to see or what you prefer to think.
But one does not simply take an opposition stand for the sake of taking an opposition stance. It’s evident you delight in making half-baked comments on issues you have no real understanding or given little thought to. This is evident from your bizarre conceptions in economics: German unemployment, the state of the Singapore economic growth, the Singaporean exchange rate, international trade dependency, industrial output; politics: the 5-day work week, globalization, how PRs are granted to foreigners; language use: ‘working housewife’, ‘serious household chores, ‘dogma’, ‘colloquialism’…just to quite a few examples offhand. I don’t see anything wrong in correcting you factually. If I call you ‘ignorant’, it is always substantiated. -
PART THREE
Atobe writesIt is everyoneÂ’s duty to be involved and be attuned to POLITICS, and your own derogatory remarks concerning my pro-active political views (albeit opposing the Government and the Ruling Party most of the time) is unfortunate, and does not help in the overall efforts to make Singaporeans more participative in the Singapore LIFEÂ…Â….
Ahhh! Grand statements that aspire to an idealized form of political society! I (must) applaud you for such fine and noble sentiments. It is such a change from your usual abusive self. You are making these remarks out of genuine conviction, and not out of fear or desperation I hope? But it is still quite unnecessary to heap abuse on those who differ from you. This is evident in many threads. It is also difficult to equate loyalty with a person who declares publicly his intention to migrate. LetÂ’s see how you persuade and convince other readers here in the future then.
Disagreement with, or having opposing views towards, Government Policies is not disloyal to Singapore or Singaporeans.
It is pathetic that for such a highly educated person that you try to project yourself, you will not subscribe to such a basic principle.
Atobe writesPerhaps you should get out of your closeted environment and see the World beyond theories, dogmas and statistics.
What makes you think I am enjoying your little ignorant tantrums in Singapore now? For one who produces hokum in great quantities, you certainly overreach yourself.
I have no objections if you incorporate my previous responses (vocabulary and statistics) and pretend you have always been aware of them. Imitation IS the best form of flattery. LetÂ’s see if this calm demeanour of yours continues in future threads too. -
Still maintaining the charm despite your false front being exposed.
Seriously you should make an effort to review all the accusations that you have thrown my way, and see if you are not the same image that you attempt to have suggested for me, with all your learned but delinquent efforts.
It is not too surprising that you will attempt to wiggle your way out of a corner with your continued childish attempts to turn the table on me – attack and attack, just to distract the attention to your weakened and exposed positions.
Classic tactic but obvious to discerning eyes that it is to simply draw away the attention from your exposed positions with selective extracts from my posts, just to make pinprick fun to the minor matters, so as to avoid the embarrassment of your need to respond to the major issues that have exposed your weakened position.
You certainly know how to remake yourself by making effacing statements that blurred your actions. Somehow your statement that you made “quite clear in previous post” that you “have no interest in ‘defacing’ or ‘destabilizing’ or discrediting’ my persona … or making you look bad in any way here. “ ; seem to make your laudable efforts to jar with your actions shown in all your posts.
For someone who demand accuracy and deride others for the slightest errors in grammar and verbose, I wonder what was your intent in ‘defacing’ my statement in your supposed ad verbatim quote from my last post:
Atobe writes:
My actual post is as follows:
You are certainly behaving like the “vain Emperor so proud of his invisible clothes” – vainly believing that only your own opinion is of more value.
Are you ‘crowning’ me as Emperor now? (hehe) Do you think my opinion is of more value than yours? Let other readers judge for themselves (as many have already done).
“You are certainly behaving like the “vain Emperor so proud of his invisible clothes” – vainly believing that only your own opinion is of more value.”
Has your arrogance got the better of your other self-acclaimed senses of decorum and propriety ?
Despite your questionable sense of self-proclaimed high standards of decorum and propriety, and your seeming superior sense of confidence with the English Language, your “TidalWave” approach to swamp me on this lynch-pin subject of yours, remains to be an over blown exercise by an impotent puddle of water.
Does ‘colloquialism’ refer to INFORMAL SPOKEN LANGUAGE being used in a FORMAL WRITTEN context ?
For all your bombast, you may wish to defer to your preferred authority in print:
You may wish to look into the Cambridge Dictionary website - amongst a list of similar websites for your reference to this word:
COLLOQUIALISM
an informal word or expression which is more suitable for use in speech than in writing
Ref: http://www.onelook.com/?w=colloquialism&ls=a
Are you sure that ‘blur like sotong’ is a figurative Malay expression for being “stupid” ?
Is the word ‘blur’ ever part of the Malay language ?
Is ‘sotong’ even part of the Malay figurative expression for ‘stupidity’ ?
You certainly display a sense of creativity while you deny others the same opportunity.
Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that your superior authority in languages will extend into the Malay Language as well ?
Perhaps you should consider your attempt as being ‘bodoh sama babi’ – which is more accurate traditional Malay figurative expression for stupidity.
Your seemingly qualified display of accuracy with the English Language is no better then that of a moronic attempt to limit the space allowed for - even by oxymoronic standard - in the flexibility of the English Language.
If there are ‘WHITE Lies’, and when there are ‘TRUE Facts’ expressed and accepted in the everyday common spoken English, I believe that I am entitled to some space for being creative by my preferred label of a ‘WORKING Housewife’.
As was explained, a ‘working woman’ merely is a woman employed and paid a salary for the work done in her place of employment – she need not necessarily be married, nor have any housework to be done.
Yes, a housewife is a married woman fully occupied with housework.
Since a working woman does not necessarily perform any housework – equal in load intensity to a married woman with a FAMILY; a “Housewife” can always find ADDITIONAL work outside of her home – Part Time or otherwise. The Housewife will have the tasks of performing TWO jobs: one at home as a Housewife, and the other as a paid employee.
Hence, my term of a ‘Working HOUSEWIFE’ will accurately portray the full meaning to suit the argument that the 5-day Workweek with a prolonged working day is of little benefit to a ‘Working HOUSEWIFE’.
In the present economic hard times, the ‘Working HOUSEWIFE’ is becoming a reality, when full time housewives are taking on part time jobs, or full time jobs during normal or off-normal hours, but still performing her main role as a Housewife, or HOME MAKER to the family.
Your dogmatic adherence to precedence has prevented you from grasping the nuances of a living language that evolves with society.
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Atobe writes (20 September 2004)
By the way, recognizing your good command in the use of English, does not necessarily qualify you to be an arbitrator of the Language.
Tidalwave responds (20 September 2004)
I did not crown myself as ‘arbitrator’. You did. (But no thanks.)
Atobe responds (21 September 2004)
Did I crown you, or have you deluded yourself with your supreme vanity ?]
I do not see myself as an arbitrator of the language. Neither should you SUGGEST I am one by CROWNING me as one. For the lexical meaning of ‘inference’, I suggest you look up a dictionary again.
Very clever attempt to deflect at a modest pace, but all the arrogant intolerance in your efforts to correct my position still point towards your own pompous self-appointment as the most qualified person to judge my use of English.
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Atobe writesThis entire episode was supposed to be about a 5-day workweek, and yet you will hijack the thread in a useless exercise to display your arrogance in deriding someone elseÂ’s opinion.
I do not deride opinions, including yours. Did you feel you were being treated with derision and contempt? I treated you with the upmost respect and refrained from name-calling (which is more than I can say of you of course.) In fact, I also bore your repetitive and tedious insults with good humour. Where ignorance was displayed, I pointed them out accordingly. Correcting you is not equivalent to treating you with disrespect.
What a vain attempt to remake your own image after having portrayed yourself to be a pompous bombast of arrogant intolerance towards my posts ?
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Atobe writes
Again, correcting you is not an Olympic sport. In fact, a few have pointed out that talking to you is ‘dirty work’
So this exercise is merely about the center stage, the spotlight, the adulation and admiration that you are only seeking.
A deep set psychological need for public acceptance, recognition and adulation ?
Ha, if this does not confirm your vain hunger for a bigger audience – ‘a few have pointed out that talking to you is ‘dirty work’ – when only three backed you up out of a readership hit rating of 2000+ for this thread.
From these three fan of yours - two of them could not stand up to the scrutiny of their posts, and are simply borrowing your stage to make a vain effort to have a prick at my position; and perhaps another three more likely fans from the papier-mâché menagerie in this sgForum. -
PART TWO
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Atobe writesSo far I have not seen persona of more substance supporting your position – except for some “papier-mache” characters, and one self-acclaimed member from NSP who is a dogged defender to the Ruling Party. I am relieved that one who believe that being “stupid is smart” did not enter the fray as it will be quite a stupendous event.
Gibberish. You tok tok wat har?
For someone who claimed to have followed all my posts in every thread like an ardent follower, either you are dishonest in your claim, or you are so deeply immersed in your own pompous efforts that you are not familiar to the other participants also existing in these pages, and who are acclaimed faithful admirer of your posts. So much for the true face that you project.
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Atobe writesAnother visible piece of your superbly self-indulging statement to shore up your own vain position of hollowness, which only lead you to avoid issues that you cannot respond to.
I was just being factual. LetÂ’s get back to economic and political issues soon. ItÂ’s boring playing your game of rebutting insults although I understand why you avoid going back to the REAL issues assiduously. I donÂ’t want to sound patronizingÂ…but you realize I have been giving you time to read up in the last few days by penning responses to your meaningless drivelÂ…Â…why would anyone engage you with kid gloves otherwise?
A clever argumentative approach to salvage yourself after being exposed to your trickery in avoiding issues raised, simply performing more tricks to justify one’s avoidance, and to confuse the situation further – simply do not extract in full.
Unfortunately, despite your denial, you are already acting out your condescendingly patronizing self in your replies to my postings. Denials will not gloss over all your arrogance that are printed across all these four pages. Continued denials will only make you look hypocritical.
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Atobe writesIt is merely your own opinion concerning the status of my persona, which you seem to find it intolerable with the positions that I prefer to take concerning some issues
You seem to have an obsession with the word ‘persona’. Maybe I should come up with another top nine list soon. We are not in a literary work, and you are not a literary character. Check the dictionary for the meaning of ‘persona’.
Again another attempt at not addressing the direction of my statement, but to make a preferred shortening of my posted statement to suit your own agenda, in a direction of argument that you will dictate to suit your overall agenda to hit at my public image.
Your style is becoming very obvious, what you cannot admit, you trim and cut to remake a new effort to attack and deflect attention that was drawn to your exposed position.
Are you sure that you can make a dent to my public face – my persona ?
How could you not consider our efforts in writing as not being ‘literary work’ – when so much is dependent on your imagination of my position, and you have also suggested that my attitude towards all things government is due to my own ‘creative imagination’ ? Or did I get your drift wrong somewhere in all the bombast critique that you have pushed ?
You should give yourself more credit for your “top nine list” as a literary work of juvenile genius.
http://www.onelook.com/?w=persona&ls=a
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Atobe writesWith regards to your preference to well researched thoughtful and grammatical post – you must have missed out on earlier pieces, having only joined this sgForum only on 4 September 2004.
It’s funny you should say that…evidently you equate the date of participation with experience. I made myself quite clear when I pointed out your pattern of posting here- pasting a newspaper article, writing a few ignorant remarks, and inviting others to join in. I have read all your posts, and most threads. You don’t need ME to tell YOU what I think of your opinions in those threads. Instead of just laughing at your frivolous and half-baked ideas in other threads (which you seem to think are intelligent), perhaps you want grand exposes of your ignorance elsewhere too? I am also amused that I am now a ‘juvenile’…after being given adult-like labels such as ‘government mentee’, ‘trained economist’, ‘technocrat’, ‘civil servant’ etc by you. Consistency dear boy!
Still a juvenile then, and not too serious about Life or being interested in Politics ?
Another twist of my post, and selective extracts, to suit our own agenda ?
Did I suggest anywhere in my simple statement that I will equate date of participation with experience, or did you completely missed the point that you may have not read earlier posts since I joined in October 2002 ?
For someone who show superior command of the English Language, it is a surprise that a simple statement can be so grossly misconstrued.
You ought to slow down and be less anxious to make an impact for yourself.
Does anyone need your approval in the preferred style of posting one’s comments on the topic of the day – by pasting a newspaper article and place one’s comments ?
Consistency is quite evident in your continued juvenile behavior, while pretending to be an adult with your views of a economist dogmatically hanging onto dated theories and pre-set concepts.
Most juveniles have misplaced adoration and blind faith in all things seemingly ‘cool’ – and by your posts it is ‘cool’ to be on the “right side” of the Politics. It is evidently safer and easier for you to be on the “right side” and perhaps has more rewards ?
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Atobe writesHow do you reply 9 out of 9 posts when you do not even care to give some degree of indulgence to all that you see in my posts - which you have so eloquently described in your PART ONE (above) just to merely give yourself a decent way out ?
As I mentioned earlier, most of your recent posts are insults and verbal garbage. There is no need to respond to insults and the like. I am quite happy to let you (1) make them, (2) enjoy a few indulgences, and (3) portray yourself as a hapless, pitiful man under siege. I see no need to invite contempt from others by sinking to your level.
Hahaha, another weak attempt to excuse yourself and wiggle your way out of a corner by simply fighting to regain your composure, by simply punching blindly without hitting the target that is expected of you. -
PART THREE
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Atobe writesThreatened ? From someone who took so long to sign up on this sgForum ?
What does the date of participation…….errr…have to do with anything? If you do not feel threatened, why do YOU keep insisting (repeatedly) I am out to wreck your ‘persona’? A few examples to refresh your memory:
[i]1. One can only wonder if you do not have a preset agenda of preferring to focus your replies with a ‘political’ agenda to merely discredit my persona more then being interested in a debate.
2. How would you define “hostility” - that you deny being carried in your two part postings, when both parts included insults, sarcasm, ridicule, taunts, and harangues – all of which were aimed to achieve your political agenda of discrediting my persona ?
3. You ought to try harder if you think your can intimidate me with your childish attempts to destabilize my persona.
4. Why bother with the terms of endearment when your intention is hypocritically bent on defacing my persona ?
5. If this is not a clear example of your style of deception in AVOIDING issues that can undermine your focused effort on a single issue – to discredit my persona
Digressing a little, do you see how nice I am to you? I could have easily created another top 10 list ‘Atobe Portrays Himself as a Victimized Persona’, but I resisted the temptation. (Hahahaha! ) [/i]
So that is the standard of your command of the English Language in the manner that you linked my word “Threatened” to my other references of your attempt “to discredit my persona” ?
If it is not clear by now, that throughout your entire posts – in this thread - you have shown yourself to be intolerant of my preferred position taken in all my critique towards the Government / the Ruling Party, and the only method that you can employ is to simply discredit me, my persona, with any possible approach that you can find in your arsenal of words.
After having taunted, ridiculed, insulted, belittled, reproached, dismissed, and twisted all my posts, and indulging in this exercise across the last four days, if you have no further agenda other then to grind me down with your condescendingly pompous and arrogantly bombastic style, what other agenda do you have ?
(hahahahaha, I am having the last laugh at your ridiculous effort to remake your face)
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Atobe writesI thought I was already a late comer to this interesting place – with all the colorful names that abound, each ‘nick’ taken that quite accurately reflect the persona behind.
Why do you make it so easy for me to portray you as juvenile? This isnÂ’t primary school where kids make fun of given names or give nicknames. Just as a fire can kill and destroy, it can also be smothered and turned into wisps of smoke. When you buy a book, do you just read the title, OR look at how colourful the cover is? Regardless, either option makes u look silly.
Digression, digression, digression, and drivel, drivel, drivel – which side of the table are you sitting at ? For a while I thought that you were on your own side with these remarks thrown at me, and it seems that you are now indulging yourself in such antics ?
My post was clear and simple – (if you can only be more honest and accurate in your extracts of my posts):
If you can allow yourself some indulgence in juvenile fun, I suppose I could do with some. (Hahahaha!
Threatened ? From someone who took so long to sign up on this sgForum ?
I thought I was already a late comer to this interesting place – with all the colorful names that abound, each ‘nick’ taken that quite accurately reflect the persona behind.
Note that "Tidal Wave" is not as threatening as seen, since it always end as a deflated "whumpph" in its final existence as an impotent puddle. )
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Atobe writesDo I have the powers “to ‘change’ reality simply by stating the opposite, hoping others will be influenced, and hence recreating actuality” ?
I am afraid being delusional is your forte. Unfortunately, being informed isnÂ’t.
Wiggling away with just a half-baked attempt in quoting what I had written, and replying with a simple two liner ?
No name calling but disingeniously disguised statements of ridicule and taunts.
As much as the labels that you claimed are my forte, it seems that the supreme forte of DISHONESTY is yours for the taking.
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Atobe writesIf you happened to have a few good laughs from some posts that you managed to view, it has at least drawn your attention.
Dead right about that. I couldnÂ’t believe the sheer ignorance displayed, the amount of ill-will you earned, the abuse you heaped on othersÂ…..and most importantly, the number of private messages I received from strangers between 16-17 September. In fact, I took the liberty of forwarding your posts on the 13 and 16 September to friends working in _________ for some glee and hilarity. At least your economic ignorance produced some useful benefits.
Again, another display of sheer arrogant pomposity - from a mere lightweight trying to believe that he belongs to a heavier weight class. -
PART FOUR
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Atobe writesAm I suffering from amnesia, or is it the double standards being practiced here that is causing someone to be confused as to which side of the table one should be sitting at ?
It must be the former. Your selective amnesia has caused you to forget the boo-boos you made in economic statistics, language use, and other miscellaneous facts.
Another half-baked effort in responding to portions of my post that you have extracted, and only hang yourself to your lynch pin issues that you claim authority on - (drivel, drivel, and more drivel on your part now it seems ) :
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Atobe writesIn your own self-indulging arrogance of your own position, you fail to recognize that opposing the Ruling Party – which happen to form the Government – is NOT being disloyal to Singapore.
Actually, these are very sensible sentiments you have. I do not take issue with them. At the same time, they remind me of the language used, and the mud-slinging between Democrats and Republicans in the coming American Presidential election.
Opposing the Government POLICIES is not OPPOSING SINGAPORE.
No one can control what you prefer to see or what you prefer to think.
But one does not simply take an opposition stand for the sake of taking an opposition stance. It’s evident you delight in making half-baked comments on issues you have no real understanding or given little thought to. This is evident from your bizarre conceptions in economics: German unemployment, the state of the Singapore economic growth, the Singaporean exchange rate, international trade dependency, industrial output; politics: the 5-day work week, globalization, how PRs are granted to foreigners; language use: ‘working housewife’, ‘serious household chores, ‘dogma’, ‘colloquialism’…just to quite a few examples offhand. I don’t see anything wrong in correcting you factually. If I call you ‘ignorant’, it is always substantiated.
It amazes me that for a juvenile attempting to wear the shoes of an adult, simply with a limited mastery of a few economic theories and concepts, and an arrogant pomposity with the English Language, you will allow yourself the judgmental opinion of my postings.
It certainly show your patronizing and arrogantly condescending stance when you cannot accept views that are contrary to your own, which you dearly hang on to even at the risk of hijacking this thread with your digression to show-off your own position concerning the Germany unemployment issue, the realities of Singapore’s Economy (growth ?); the Exchange Rate (not related to economic performance ?); international trade dependency (your own preferred view); 5-day work week (your lapping up of the publicity stunt); language use: ‘working HOUSEWIFE’ (your narrow dogmatic strangle of the language); ‘serious household chores’ (your preferred ignoring to my question posed); ‘dogma’ and ‘colloquialism’ – (further drivel to digress from the exposes of your style).
Be honest with yourself, or are your substantiated claims only measurable by your own dishonest values ?
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Atobe writesIt is everyoneÂ’s duty to be involved and be attuned to POLITICS, and your own derogatory remarks concerning my pro-active political views (albeit opposing the Government and the Ruling Party most of the time) is unfortunate, and does not help in the overall efforts to make Singaporeans more participative in the Singapore LIFEÂ…Â….
Ahhh! Grand statements that aspire to an idealized form of political society! I (must) applaud you for such fine and noble sentiments. It is such a change from your usual abusive self. You are making these remarks out of genuine conviction, and not out of fear or desperation I hope? But it is still quite unnecessary to heap abuse on those who differ from you. This is evident in many threads. It is also difficult to equate loyalty with a person who declares publicly his intention to migrate. LetÂ’s see how you persuade and convince other readers here in the future then.
Disagreement with, or having opposing views towards, Government Policies is not disloyal to Singapore or Singaporeans.
It is pathetic that for such a highly educated person that you try to project yourself, you will not subscribe to such a basic principle.
A cry of pain ‘Ahhh!’ or frustration ?
You continue to be an expert in making dishonest half-baked extract, and giving replies to new issues without addressing any of my replies to your earlier comments from the preceding post.
Why do you perceive that there should be ‘fear’ or ‘desperation’ – ( or even my “ego to be bruised”, or my position “threatened” or “under siege”, or “victimized” ) - on my part in these exchanges ?
This immature subliminal attempt of yours will only work with juveniles and those with weaker minds.
Atobe writesPerhaps you should get out of your closeted environment and see the World beyond theories, dogmas and statistics.
What makes you think I am enjoying your little ignorant tantrums in Singapore now? For one who produces hokum in great quantities, you certainly overreach yourself.
What ? I am surprised that you will not pass comment on my earlier statement that you will not quote – as is your typical style that is quite obvious by now:Atobe wrote:
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Thanks for this unsolicited generosity, the trips abroad are helpful to see reality at work, and not bound by theories, dogmas, statistics – that can be shaped, re-visited with new interpretations, distorted, and re-configured.
Perhaps you should get out of your closeted environment and see the World beyond theories, dogmas and statistics.
You certainly have an insatiable appetite for compliments, adulations, and the limelight.
I have no objections if you incorporate my previous responses (vocabulary and statistics) and pretend you have always been aware of them. Imitation IS the best form of flattery. LetÂ’s see if this calm demeanour of yours continues in future threads too.
In your anxiety to achieve your agenda in grinding my position down, you failed to note the calmness that has been there, even with my carefully placed counter attack - you prefer to deride me with your claim of my position being irrational and emotive .
In your usual dishonest manner of minimal extraction, you did not comment on my post concerning ‘my calmness’, when you prefer to indulge in your own preferred statement of my being deluded – (see earlier posting in Part Two).
How about another attempt at it ? -
PART THREE continuation
Here is what I wrote on 21 September 2004 – 01:32PM
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Atobe writesIt would seem that the calmer my response, the more agitated you become.
I like this remark very much! (Hahaha! ) It is an apt description of your behaviour, and your explicit attempt to “change” reality simply by stating the opposite, hoping others will be influenced, and hence recreating actuality. From a psychological perspective again, it is a reflection of your self-doubt and tacit recognition of past behaviour.
Do I have the powers “to ‘change’ reality simply by stating the opposite, hoping others will be influenced, and hence recreating actuality” ?
Now, now, let us revist your opening statement in your PART ONE post:TidalWave333 date 20 September 2004 – 12:47 PM
Atobe dearest,
I see you have implicitly recognized the disadvantages of engaging in hostile mindless drivel that puts you in a poor position where public opinion is concerned.
It is amusing to observe that you have chosen to adopt a calmer disposition in your first post, as well as incorporate part of my vocabulary subsequently. I canÂ’t say the same for your second post of course, but it does reflect your tacit admission that you werenÂ’t going anywhere with the incoherent and illogical slobber.
For some reason, reading your post today has put me in a pleasant mood, and so I shall try to be extra nice to you in this response.
Now did I change ‘reality’ or was it a fact that my calmer disposition has always agitatedly riled you into a greater and doubled effort to debunk my position ? -
PART ONE
Atobe Dearest,
I see you have recharged yourself and injected todayÂ’s posts with your full supply of venom. (Hehe
) I am certain no matter how riled up you are, you will never acknowledge this fact- even if it is evident to all, but yourself.
Why you get so carried away with your silly little tantrums on a daily basis is beyond me. You did not address the issues I pointed out on 16 September 2004, choosing to quote and respond only to the first nine paragraphs from the first post. You choose to backtrack at every opportunity, leaving a trial of glaring inconsistencies behind. How does that serve you?
Is it just avoidance of the real substantive issues that you find yourself at a disadvantage after being repeatedly corrected? Attacking the messenger instead of the content can only be a temporary measure (even if itÂ’s the one area you demonstrate any real competence), and it does get tedious and repetitive.
Atobe writesIt is not too surprising that you will attempt to wiggle your way out of a corner with your continued childish attempts to turn the table on me – attack and attack, just to distract the attention to your weakened and exposed positions.
Why you insist this is a (verbal) war is beyond me. Your choice of words “turn the table on me”, “attack and attack”, and “Classic tactic” …..must have been inspired by your bedtime reading? Sun Tzu’s Ancient Art of War which you purchased for $2 from Popular bookstore? (Haha
Classic tactic but obvious to discerning eyes that it is to simply draw away the attention from your exposed positions with selective extracts from my posts, just to make pinprick fun to the minor matters, so as to avoid the embarrassment of your need to respond to the major issues that have exposed your weakened position ). This is hardly an appropriate medium for your hilarious delusion you are a military strategist. ItÂ’s best if you just stick to your Top Gun or Police Academy videos.
Atobe writesFor someone who demand accuracy and deride others for the slightest errors in grammar and verbose, I wonder what was your intent in ‘defacing’ my statement in your supposed ad verbatim quote from my last post:
I have already explained calmly and repeatedly that I cannot possibly reproduce every bit of garbage you spout- simply because it lengthens my posts considerably, and becomes an unnecessary eyesore at the same time. I do not shortchange you however- the relevant sentence is quoted and an appropriate response made. Even when responding to agitated lunatics, I accord them the same respect I expect myself. (And it's 'demandS' and 'derideS')
Atobe writesDespite your questionable sense of self-proclaimed high standards of decorum and propriety, and your seeming superior sense of confidence with the English Language, your “TidalWave” approach to swamp me on this lynch-pin subject of yours, remains to be an over blown exercise by an impotent puddle of water.
Tsk tsk (Hahaha ) …just like I do not read too much into your Japanese anime cartoon namesake, I suggest you refrain from making too much out of a nick even as a desperate resort. What exactly is a ‘tidalwave approach’ anyway? Another one of your inventive (phrasal) contributions to the English language? (Heh )
Atobe writesDoes ‘colloquialism’ refer to INFORMAL SPOKEN LANGUAGE being used in a FORMAL WRITTEN context ?
I am so glad you took my advice to (1) check the lexical meaning from a dictionary and (2) provide the source of reference. My explanation does not differ much from the dictionary meaning unless you expect it to comprise of exactly the same words. If you take the trouble to check a few more dictionaries, you will discover they all give the same meaning in different words. SoÂ…your vocabulary has enlarged by one new word eh? Just donÂ’t embarrass yourself the next time you use an unfamiliar word.
For all your bombast, you may wish to defer to your preferred authority in print:
An extract from the Cambridge Dictionary Website:
COLLOQUIALISM
an informal word or expression which is more suitable for use in speech than in writing
Atobe writesAre you sure that ‘blur like sotong’ is a figurative Malay expression for being “stupid” ?
This is what I said on 21 September 2004:
Is the word ‘blur’ ever part of the Malay language ?
Is ‘sotong’ even part of the Malay figurative expression for ‘stupidity’ ?
You certainly display a sense of creative that you deny others the opportunity.
Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that your superior authority in languages will extend into the Malay Language as well ?
Singaporean Colloquialism
E.g. “Atobe blur like sotong?” instead of
“Atobe is stupid?” (sotong literally 'squid' in Malay, but figuratively stupid. 'Blur' is colloquial for 'stupid' as well.)
To answer your question, yes I AM SURE of what I said on Singaporean Colloquialism.
And the reason I am SURE despite my unfamiliarity with Singlish is because I referred to a local authority, a Singlish dictionary- The Coxford Singlish Dictionary 1st Ed. By Colin Goh and Y.Y. Woo (eds.), published 2002. (first reprint 2003)
This is the relevant entry: sotong -- lit. squid (Malay), fig. stupid (see also "blur"; blur - stupid)
Unlike you, (1) I do not make things up, (2) I always defer to an authority like dictionaries and (3) when shown a dictionary reference, I learn from it. Can’t say the same of you where ‘housewife’ is concerned of course. Remember the two dictionary references I provided for you? (Hehe ). Oh, I forget (4) we are talking about colloquial Singaporean English, not Malay.
You may wish to purchase the Coxford Dictionary for S$10 at Times, Borders or Select bookstores. It just WILL NOT do if you are ignorant about everythingÂ…from English to Singlish to economics and politics. (Heh ) Do yourself a favour and get a copy quick!
Atobe writesYour seemingly qualified display of accuracy with the English Language is no better then that of a moronic attempt to limit the space allowed for - even by oxymoronic standard - in the flexibility of the English Language.
Hate to spoil your party here, but what exactly is an ‘oxymoronic standard’? (Haha ) If you wish to adopt a word I have used, at least get the lexical meaning clear. Otherwise, it’s just another entry in my ‘Atobe’s Silly English Errors’. The list is already becoming embarrassingly long.
Atobe writesI believe that I am entitled to some space for being creative by my preferred label of a ‘WORKING Housewife’.
Sure you are entitled to new language inventions. But that’s not the point is it? Use it in the privacy of the bathroom when no one is around if you wish. But in public, refrain from appearing like a fool. Have you asked your mom or your neighbour what a housewife’s main occupation is? If a working lady’s full time job is nursing, she is a nurse, NOT a “working housewife”. If her part time job is nursing, she is a full-time housewife, and part-time nurse, and still NOT a “working housewife”. Easy to understand a not har?
a “Housewife” can always find ADDITIONAL work outside of her home – PART TIME OR OTHERWISE. The Housewife will have the tasks of performing TWO jobs: one at home as a Housewife, and the other as a paid employee. -
PART TWO
Atobe writesHence, my term of a ‘Working HOUSEWIFE’ will accurately portray the full meaning to suit the argument that the 5-day Workweek with a prolonged working day is of little benefit to a ‘Working HOUSEWIFE’.
It doesn’t portray anything accurately at all. In fact, it is a pathetic attempt at muddying the waters, and inconveniencing others. Try using the term in public or on any form. Besides irritated stares, people will question ‘Auntie Atobe, so are you a housewife or are you working har?’ (Heh! ) Are you REALLY so silly to be unable to see a simple point however deficient in English?
Atobe writesVery clever attempt to deflect at a modest pace, but all your arrogant intolerance and efforts to correct my position still point towards your own pompous declaration as the most qualified person to judge my use of English.
I made it clear the opposite is true.
Tidalwave writes on 21 September 2004:
I do not see myself as an arbitrator of the language. Neither should you SUGGEST I am one by CROWNING me as one. For the lexical meaning of ‘inference’, I suggest you look up a dictionary again.
Understand boy?
Atobe writesHa, if this does not confirm your vain hunger for a bigger audience – ‘a few have pointed out that talking to you is ‘dirty work’ – when only three backed you up out of a readership hit rating of 2000+ for this thread.
Woah…are you besieged by the English vocabulary or what? You don’t know the word ‘few’? American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language 4th ed.:
few
adj. few·er, few·est
1. Amounting to or consisting of a small number: one of my few bad habits.
2. Being more than one but indefinitely small in number: bowled a few strings.
There’s your dictionary meaning….note entry (2) ‘more than ONE but indefinitely small in number.’ I think THREE (3) fits the said range. (Hahahaha! ) Another entry to my list. Atobe, atobe, you ignorant fool! Correcting your English is turning out to be much more fun than correcting your inaccurate statistics.
Atobe writesFor someone who claimed to have followed all my posts in every thread like an ardent follower, either you are dishonest in your claim, or you are so deeply immersed in your own pompous efforts that you are not familiar to the other participants also existing in these pages, and who are acclaimed faithful admirer of your posts. So much for the true face that you project.
What followers? What admirers? Tok tok wat har? More gibberish.
Atobe writesA clever argumentative approach to salvage yourself after being exposed to your trickery in avoiding issues raised, simply performing more tricks to justify one’s avoidance, and to confuse the situation further – simply do not extract in full.
What trickery? Where? Quite relevant sentences? I am trying to salvage MYSELF after being exposed to MY trickery? Huh????? What do you mean by ‘extract in full’. Understanding your tirade is getting tedious. Why can’t you write simply, and avoid all these bizarre sentences? Tok tok wat? Gibberish again.
Atobe writesHow could you not consider our efforts in writing as not being ‘literary work’ – when so much is dependent on your imagination of my position, and you have also suggested that my attitude towards all things government is due to my own ‘creative imagination’ ? Or did I get your drift wrong somewhere in all the bombast critique that you have pushed ?
No errr….truth be told, the reason why I am addicted to your stupidity is because I get so little of it in real life. I can’t say I know anyone in real life who doesn’t know the meaning of ‘few’, or who is unfamiliar with basic economic precepts. It’s like my meal distraction- 30 minutes a day of fun and laughter. If you wish to consider your gibberish here as a literary effort, by all means, please yourself. After all, you are already deluded. (Hehe! )
Atobe writesMost juveniles have misplaced adoration and blind faith in all things seemingly ‘cool’ – and by your posts it is ‘cool’ to be on the “right side” of the Politics. It is evidently safer and easier for you to be on the “right side” and perhaps has more rewards ?
Yeah, the reward is the “Atobean” comedy these days. But seriously, your ignorance is really more shocking than anything else. Hmmm….you really don’t know what ‘few’ means?
Atobe writesIf it is not clear by now, that throughout your entire posts – in this thread - you have shown yourself to be intolerant of my preferred position taken in all my critique towards the Government / the Ruling Party, and the only method that you can employ is to simply discredit me, my persona, with any possible approach that you can find in your arsenal of words.
O.K. something substantial finally. You are entitled to your position of course. But whether that is backed by factual evidence is a different question altogether. Why do I still have no response to the issues brought up on 16 September 2004?
Atobe writesDigression, digression, digression, and drivel, drivel, drivel – which side of the table are you sitting at ? For a while I thought that you were on your own side with these remarks thrown at me, and it seems that you are now indulging yourself in such antics ?
Imitation IS indeed the best form of flattery. I am just not sure if I can withstand such ardent attention from a fan like you. (Heh) If you aspire to be me so badly, read up! ItÂ’ll do you infinite good. (But donÂ’t act like a groupie!
)
Atobe writesAgain, another display of sheer arrogant pomposity - from a mere lightweight trying to believe that he belongs to a heavier weight class.
No LAH! I am not in a fight or a war as I said repeatedly. You are hallucinating thatÂ’s all.
Substantive issues leh! BreakÂ’s up! -
“Atobe Dearest” … The smoothness in the manner intended, sounded familiar, and seems to have resonated from the days of the Boom-Boom Room at Bugis Junction.
Now I wonder Â…Â… could you possibly be Â….. not quite sureÂ….. but still, I will need to give you the credit for such a clever effeminate term of endearmentÂ… you could possibly be of the class so cleverly portrayed by S. Kumar.
"You really ‘Akasai’ hor ?" (compliments from Talking Cock
Venom ? Riled up ? Silly little tantrums ? “Atobe, atobe, you ignorant fool” ?
Any more catcalls from a seemingly ‘high class’ catty character ?
My venom ? Was I riled up ? I wonder who is throwing tantrums to the extent of calling me "an ignorant fool" ?
HmmmmÂ…. could it be that you are expressing your own frustration as shown in the strength of the venom in your ridicule of my position ? The more cynical laughs you make will only indicate the intensity of your frustration.
Could your continued suggestions of my ‘silly little tantrums’ in actual fact reveal your own reaction, as can be seen in your redoubled effort in every paragraph of yours ? Now I wonder whose “silly little tantrum” are we witnessing ?
“Sun Tzu’s Ancient Art of War which you purchased for $2 from Popular bookstore? (Haha ) “ – An attempt to laugh while in a tantrum but got choked ?
“It’s best if you just stick to your Top Gun or Police Academy videos.” – I thought this was funny, but ‘heh’ – how is it that you are not laughing ?
“(And it's 'demandS' and 'derideS')” – tsk, tsk, tsk, coming at my spelling now; how about attending to one of yours:
“You choose to backtrack at every opportunity, leaving a trial of glaring inconsistencies behind. How does that serve you? “
Coming from your demanding standard, it jarred me for a while, and I thought it should look better if it was read as “….. leaving a TRAIL of glaring inconsistencies behind.”
Now, how does THIS serve you ?
Hopefully you understand the difference between ‘TRIAL” and “TRAIL” for the intended meaning of your sentence.
Perhaps you will be more forgiving if your MS-WORDS did not pick up this error, as it did not pick up my grammatical error that you are so fond of nit picking.
Do I need to attack the messenger ?
It is surprising that each time you make a statement that accuse me of some action, it would seem that it is actually a mirror image of what you have been doing to me.
As much as you will deny having a hidden agenda, your repeated statement of contempt and ridicule to my position is quite clear, as you had stated that you have been observing my past postings for some time, and found my “half-baked comments and ill informed observations to be intolerable”.
Does this not explain your dishonest position of continuously being evasive and arrogantly dismissing parts of my posts; and giving condescending and patronizing replies when you prefer to respond; trimming parts of my posts that you claim to be irrelevant – while tending to your replies on the most mundane issues just to make pinprick fun, and all done to achieve your own private agenda of NOT having a debate on the issues, but merely to fulfill your intolerant objective of belittling and discrediting my position in this sgForum.
If I do not respond to substantive issues, you should be flattered, as I am imitating your preferred style in this ongoing exchange.
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Should I continue to expose your own dishonesty any further, especially when you demand high standards of decorum from others, and yet will be arrogant with your own conduct by not acknowledging the exposure of your defacing of my statement that you extracted and added your words into ?
Well, if you believe in “Talking Cock” that ‘Atobe is blur like sotong’ then perhaps you can accept TidalWave being “goondu” to expect one to purchase the COXFORD; and even advertising to pay S$10 when the dictionary is freely available on-line:
http://www.talkingcock.com/html/lexec.php
Now what is worse, to be “blur” or plain “goondu” ?
TidalWave333 write:
“Hate to spoil your party here, but what exactly is an ‘oxymoronic standard’?”
Well, since you are having a whale of a time in your puddle of supreme confidence with your English, I am surprised you are so unwilling to stretch your mischievous moronic standards a little more to cover also those OXYMORONIC areas too.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=oxymoron
About the “working HOUSEWIFE” – if you are into Talking Cock, you should try to talk to your neighborhood Ah Soh – who is a housewife, and will probably be working at the neighborhood market or hawker center, or as a seamstress at a garment factory, or as a general helper at the MacDonalds, or your neighborhood friendly 7-Eleven store.
In the language of Talking Cock – either you are truly “goondu”, or you only want to “borak”
TidalWave333 writes:
“Woah…are you besieged by the English vocabulary or what? You don’t know the word ‘few’? ……. There’s your dictionary meaning….note [b]entry (2) ‘[i]more than ONE but indefinitely small in number.’ I think THREE (3) fits the said range. (Hahahaha! ) Another entry to my list. Atobe, atobe, you ignorant fool! Correcting your English is turning out to be much more fun than correcting your inaccurate statistics. “ [/i] [/b]
Slow down, or you will end up tripping over yourself, and it will be embarrassing.
Only THREE (3) fits the said range of a FEW ?
Well, what are you complaining about ?
I was more generous then yourself, and had suggested the most likely number of SIX fans to your style of writing; but still it is only six out of a current count of 2500 PLUS hits to this thread.
By your statistical standard of bean counting, these six will probably tangle up your fingers – whether you count down or count up (backward or forward). -
TidalWave333 writes:
O.K. something substantial finally. You are entitled to your position of course. But whether that is backed by factual evidence is a different question altogether. Why do I still have no response to the issues brought up on 16 September 2004?
It is opportune for you to also question or remind yourself of your style of response.
As much as you are prepared to dismiss my posts as irrelevant, gibberish, nonsensical, I am returning you the same compliment that you have given to me.
Temper, temper, temper - cool down, if you cannot slow down:
“Atobe, atobe, you ignorant fool! “
– what happened to your call for ‘decorum’ ?
“What followers? What admirers? Tok tok wat har? More gibberish”
– Now, now, you are so riled up that you cannot even recognized those FEW who were agreeable to ‘talk dirty’ with you about me.
“your gibberish here as a literary effort, by all means, please yourself. After all, you are already deluded. (Hehe! ) ?
– If you laugh like that, you may pewk.
“What trickery? Where? Quite relevant sentences? I am trying to salvage MYSELF after being exposed to MY trickery? Huh????? What do you mean by ‘extract in full’. Understanding your tirade is getting tedious. Why can’t you write simply, and avoid all these bizarre sentences? Tok tok wat? Gibberish again.
- (compliments from Talking Cock) "Aiyoh, why like that ? DonÂ’t angry so quick lahÂ…. "
“Yeah, the reward is the “Atobean” comedy these days. But seriously, your ignorance is really more shocking than anything else. Hmmm….you really don’t know what ‘few’ means? “
- You see what I mean ? When you get all riled up being emotional, you will loose track of your tasks. Did you not address the issue about ‘FEW’ a few paragraphs above ? Drivel again ?
Aspire to be you completely ?
No thanks, I rather enjoy all your antics from a long distance, being half of Kumar in the “Boom Boom Room” - Kumar at least will make better stand-up jokes than you.
TidalWave333 writes:
No [i]LAH! I am not in a fight or a war as I said repeatedly. You are hallucinating thatÂ’s all.[/i]
How laudable and admirable this self-effacing attempt at restoring some sense of decency, but unfortunately, your vane dishonesty exposes your clear attempts to "run me down" at every opportunity. -
PART ONE
Atobe Dearest
As usual, I can’t see anything substantive that has been said. You are quite good in writing these nonsensical posts that contain nothing but the usual load of drivel. Unfortunately, I am beginning to find these repetitive and less worthy of my time. Perhaps your idea of a good exchange is just one of meaningless insults without any real substance. And perhaps your idea of a fighting a ‘war’ is to see who gets bored first. Either way, I am sure you have an ample supply of pre-prepared insults in your cache.
Should you be interested in going back to more pertinent issues, I would gladly write a detailed response, otherwise one or two posts will do. Your continued avoidance of the real issues does not give much hope to that happening of course.
Atobe writes“Atobe Dearest” … The smoothness in the manner intended, sounded familiar, and seems to have resonated from the days of the Boom-Boom Room at Bugis Junction.
What is the Boom Boom Room? How much time do you spend there? I asked a friend and was informed that it was originally situated on Bugis STREET, but moved to Far East Square a few years ago. Perhaps age has caught up with you. I also looked it up onlineÂ….
Email: [email protected]
Website: Boom Boom Room
Open Hours: 8.30pm-2am daily.
Neighborhood: South
Nearest Train: Raffles Place
Category: Nightlife, Gay & Lesbian, Venues
And then it suddenly dawned on me why you are so catty (gasp!)..Â…they say a leopard canÂ’t change its spotsÂ….perhaps an old queen canÂ’t either?
Atobe writesNow I wonder Â…Â… could you possibly be Â….. not quite sureÂ….. but still, I will need to give you the credit for such a clever effeminate term of endearmentÂ… you could possibly be of the class so cleverly portrayed by S. Kumar.
If Kumar uses that term of endearment, so can you. Besides, what makes you think I am NOT female? You assume too many things about me (civil servant, technocrat, trained economist, highly educated, male, government mentee, OldbreadstinksÂ’ employee, in Singapore etc etc).
Atobe writesMy venom ? Was I riled up ? I wonder who is throwing tantrums to the extent of calling me "an ignorant fool" ?
Let me scroll back…..there must be a reason why I called you an ‘ignorant fool’. Oh there it is!
Woah…are you besieged by the English vocabulary or what? You don’t know the word ‘few’? American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language 4th ed.:
few
adj. few·er, few·est
1. Amounting to or consisting of a small number: one of my few bad habits.
2. Being more than one but indefinitely small in number: bowled a few strings.
There’s your dictionary meaning….note entry (2) ‘more than ONE but indefinitely small in number.’ I think THREE (3) fits the said range. (Hahahaha! ) Another entry to my list. Atobe, atobe, you ignorant fool! Correcting your English is turning out to be much more fun than correcting your inaccurate statistics. (22 September 2004)
The number THREE (3) indeed qualifies for 'few'. I guess labelling you a ‘fool’ IS justified.
Atobe writes“(And it's 'demandS' and 'derideS')” – tsk, tsk, tsk, coming at my spelling now; how about attending to one of yours:
Actually, itÂ’s grammar, NOT spelling. I donÂ’t expect you to be able to tell the difference between the two of course. (see plural present tense)
Atobe writesComing from your demanding standard, it jarred me for a while, and I thought it should look better if it was read as “….. leaving a TRAIL of glaring inconsistencies behind.”
Sweet joy for you! After so many posts, you finally spotted your first spelling error! Good on you. I always had the premonition writing, submitting, superficial checking..all within 30 minutes would be insufficient.... and you finally proved that right! (A first for you.)
Atobe writesHopefully you understand the difference between ‘TRIAL” and “TRAIL” for the intended meaning of your sentence.
You use MS Word with all its convenient tools to prepare your responses?!?! And this is ALL you have to show for your efforts?
Perhaps you will be more forgiving if your MS-WORDS did not pick up this error, as it did not pick up my grammatical error that you are so fond of nit picking. All these errors (and I am not just referring to just the statistical and logical ones)?? Why donÂ’t you just respond directly by clicking like me. Frankly, either option wouldnÂ’t make a difference to youÂ…..so you might as well take the easier one. And it's more than ONE error....numerous ones in fact
Atobe writesDoes this not explain your dishonest position of continuously being evasive and arrogantly dismissing parts of my posts; and giving condescending and patronizing replies when you prefer to respond; trimming parts of my posts that you claim to be irrelevant – while tending to your replies on the most mundane issues just to make pinprick fun, and all done to achieve your own private agenda of NOT having a debate on the issues, but merely to fulfill your intolerant objective of belittling and discrediting my position in this sgForum.
No. (1) I do not have an agenda, hidden or apparent. (2) I already informed you I cannot cut/paste entire posts from you- eyesore, lack of substance, too long etc (3) all your recent responses are drivel. I pick the less mundane from the more so (4) Your ‘persona’ has already been discredited by your own ignorance. I have nothing to do with it.
Atobe writesIf I do not respond to substantive issues, you should be flattered, as I am imitating your preferred style in this ongoing exchange
Just as well you admitted it. What ‘substantive issues’ of yours am I supposed to be avoiding by the way?
Atobe writesWell, if you believe in “Talking Cock” that ‘Atobe is blur like sotong’ then perhaps you can accept TidalWave being “goondu” to expect one to purchase the COXFORD; and even advertising to pay S$10 when the dictionary is freely available on-line…Now what is worse, to be “blur” or plain “goondu” ?
What is "Talking Cock"? Is this where you learnt to "tok kok?" I am glad you referred to the Coxford. But I don’t see you acknowledging your ignorance of the Singlish words ‘sotong’ and ‘blur’ of course. And no, I didn’t pay for a copy. My 8-year old nephew gave me a copy last Christmas. You really should catch up with 8-year olds where Singlish is concerned, or stop behaving like one altogether. An old queen behaving like an 8-year old…….hmm…. -
PART TWO
Atobe writesWell, since you are having a whale of a time in your puddle of supreme confidence with your English, I am surprised you are so unwilling to stretch your mischievous moronic standards a little more to cover also those OXYMORONIC areas too.
Oh…..’oxymoronic’……this is going to be another one of those persistent abuse of a perfectly good word….like ‘working housewife’. So long as you feel good about it, I suppose it doesn’t matter if you reinforce perceptions of being silly.
About the “working HOUSEWIFE” – if you are into Talking Cock, you should try to talk to your neighborhood Ah Soh – who is a housewife, and will probably be working at the neighborhood market……
Atobe writes on 23 September 2004Only THREE (3) fits the said range of a FEW ?
Atobe writes on 22 September 2004:
Well, what are you complaining about ?
I was more generous then yourself, and had suggested the most likely number of SIX fans to your style of writing; but still it is only six out of a current count of 2500 PLUS hits to this thread.From these three fan of yours - two of them could not stand up to the scrutiny of their posts, and are simply borrowing your stage to make a vain effort to have a prick at my position; and perhaps another three more likely fans from the papier-mâché menagerie in this sgForum.
Until you are sure of what you are talking about, I will ignore your speculations. Since you have already ascertained “these three fans” of mine but qualified your uncertainty with ‘PERHAPS another three’….there is no need to give it much attention. I can name the first group of three myself (although I don’t think they are ‘fans’), but who are the next group of three? Your enemies here? Indeed you go on to acknowledge that the most ‘LIKELY’ number is six, but you cannot be sure can you? So many qualifications, so little certainty.
Atobe writes“Atobe, atobe, you ignorant fool! “
Repetitive. Still nursing your bruised ego. See above why you are deserving of that label.
– what happened to your call for ‘decorum’ ?
Atobe writes“What followers? What admirers? Tok tok wat har? More gibberish”
Repetitive. Still nursing your bruised ego. See explanation above. Ever wondered why you have not garnered any support from strangers?
– Now, now, you are so riled up that you cannot even recognized those FEW who were agreeable to ‘talk dirty’ with you about me.
Atobe writesYou see what I mean ? When you get all riled up being emotional, you will loose track of your tasks. Did you not address the issue about ‘FEW’ a few paragraphs above ? Drivel again ?
Hehehehe …..you are far too kind. More imitation, and more flattery. This is indicative of your lack of resources where language is concerned. Why don’t you dig deep into your cache of silly drivel for more ammunition? By the way, it’s ‘lose’ NOT ‘loose’. But I won’t be holding any celebratory parties taunting you….with so many errors, such parties will become as repetitive as your drivel.
Atobe writesAspire to be you completely ?
ErrrÂ….there is no shame in wanting to idolize me. You are already adopting my vocabulary and style of writing here anyway. You can become my fan, but refrain from being a tedious groupie. As for Kumar, if you are enamored by the comedian, why donÂ’t you search for your feather boa and make a trip to see the new place for yourself? Far East Square, not Bugis JUNCTION, so donÂ’t get lost!
No thanks, I rather enjoy all your antics from a long distance, being half of Kumar in the “Boom Boom Room” - Kumar at least will make better stand-up jokes than you.