5 day work week. How about other matters on Saturdays?
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er.......... i think you guys are going out of point
just wondering would the public sector ever get 5 day weeks too? -
Looks like you still have to keep up with your bravado with the terms of endearment, and yet there seem to be a certain degree of flatness in enthusiasm after the ‘Atobe Dearest’, not quite as spirited mischievously joyful or playful as was in the previous post.
If my response was not substantive, I wonder why you even bother to carry on with this exercise through so many days, except for the sheer vanity of public adulation and recognition ?
To describe you as being ‘queer’ will be ironic to your status reflected in your determined display of high standard of English usage, and yet your preferred usage of endearment will probably confirm the correctness of this term applied.
TidalWave333 writes:
“Atobe dearest”….. The smoothness in the manner intended, sounded familiar, and seems to have resonated from the days of the Boom-Boom Room at Bugis Junction.
In your anxiety to flip me and pin me down, you seem to be unable to discern the significance of the ‘old address’ given, which clearly shows that I am an infrequent visitor to the ‘Boom Boom Room’, and do not even know of its existence since the closure of its premises at Bugis – ( back in the 1980s ? )
You need not have taken the trouble to look up for its present address unless you are particularly inclined towards Kumar, and to share your terms of endearment with him and his pals ?
TidalWave333 writes:
And then it suddenly dawned on me why you are so catty (gasp!)..Â…they say a leopard canÂ’t change its spotsÂ….perhaps an old queen canÂ’t either?
Hohohohoho, some catty behavior being displayed as usual - you simply cannot resist in scratching back, huh ?
Oooooh, how painfully vicious !!!
TidalWave333 writes:
If Kumar uses that term of endearment, so can you. Besides, what makes you think I am NOT female? You assume too many things about me (civil servant, technocrat, trained economist, highly educated, male, government mentee, OldbreadstinksÂ’ employee, in Singapore etc etc).
Unfortunately, I am not too inclined towards terms of superfluous endearment of the highest degree – dear perhaps may slip through, but ‘DEAREST’ ???
Whether you are a female, or someone belonging from the in-between-world of the Twilight Zone, it does not matter to me. Those that are of any interest to me will probably be more palatable and sensuous in intellect and feminity than you can ever hope to be.
Did I assume too many things about you, or were those occupation a point of reference for you to consider with the kind of ability that you have displayed ?
So much for the subject of ‘Decorum’ that you insist from others. Can anyone expect any further sophistication and honesty from you ?
If you are so desperate to grab as being correct - that the quantity of 3 persons will fit into the ‘FEW’ to satisfy your craving for correctness and restore injured pride – perhaps it is not too foolish if we call you with an additional term “BLIND” fool.
3 persons out of a readership-hits of 2700 plus (up to this stage) remains just merely a FEW that is in support of your position. Your desperation for public adulation is again on display ?
TidalWave333 writes:
”Actually, it’s grammar, NOT spelling. I don’t expect you to be able to tell the difference between the two of course. (see plural present tense) “
Good work, boy. Glad to know your time in school remain of some use ?
ButÂ…butÂ… what happened to your manners in not replying to the issues of honesty ?
Why do you avoid giving a reply to questions about your honesty in only extracting parts of sentences, and adding new words into the parts that have been extracted ?
Hey, sonny, you got to polish up on your efforts to be more honest with your attempts, as good English alone is not enough for the high standards of decorum that you expected from others.
TidalWave333 writes:
Atobe writesComing from your demanding standard, it jarred me for a while, and I thought it should look better if it was read as “….. leaving a TRAIL of glaring inconsistencies behind.”
Sweet joy for you! After so many posts, you finally spotted your first spelling error! Good on you.
I always had the premonition writing, submitting, superficial checking..all within 30 minutes would be insufficient.... and you finally proved that right! (A first for you.)
“Sweet joy” – with feminine screaming about ?
“Holy Cow” or “Sweet Jesus” - would have at least confirmed the intensity of your character now that the “TRAIL” has been spotted.
Who need to know about your self-effacing justification and reasons now, when we have read all your contemptuous remarks on similar errors made by others ?
As the adage goes “If you live in a glass house, do not throw stones”.
TidalWave333 writes:
“You use MS Word with all its convenient tools to prepare your responses?!?! And this is ALL you have to show for your efforts?
All these errors (and I am not just referring to just the statistical and logical ones)?? Why don’t you just respond directly by clicking like me. Frankly, either option wouldn’t make a difference to you…..so you might as well take the easier one. And it's more than ONE error....numerous ones in fact “
SoÂ… the manner in my choice of preparing my response is also becoming an issue with you now ? How pathetic that this exchange has begun to wind itself out of this thread with just a quiet fizzz.
Quite normal to expect all the bluster that simply fizzle out, as can only be expected of little puddle of water that try to be a “Tidal Wave”. -
Continuation:
TidalWave333 writes:
No. (1) I do not have an agenda, hidden or apparent. (2) I already informed you I cannot cut/paste entire posts from you- eyesore, lack of substance, too long etc (3) all your recent responses are drivel. I pick the less mundane from the more so (4) Your ‘persona’ has already been discredited by your own ignorance. I have nothing to do with it.
You sound more convincing with your terms of endearment in portraying some sense of feminine sincerity then with your attempts to put up an honest public face.
TidalWave333 writes:
Atobe writesIf I do not respond to substantive issues, you should be flattered, as I am imitating your preferred style in this ongoing exchange
Just as well you admitted it. What ‘substantive issues’ of yours am I supposed to be avoiding by the way?
You can find the issues by scrolling back across the last few pages, and figure out which parts of my posts you have preferred to dismiss to suit your narrow vision agenda.
TidalWave333 writes:
Atobe writesWell, if you believe in “Talking Cock” that ‘Atobe is blur like sotong’ then perhaps you can accept TidalWave being “goondu” to expect one to purchase the COXFORD; and even advertising to pay S$10 when the dictionary is freely available on-line…Now what is worse, to be “blur” or plain “goondu” ?
What is "Talking Cock"? Is this where you learnt to "tok kok?" I am glad you referred to the Coxford. But I don’t see you acknowledging your ignorance of the Singlish words ‘sotong’ and ‘blur’ of course. And no, I didn’t pay for a copy. My 8-year old nephew gave me a copy last Christmas. You really should catch up with 8-year olds where Singlish is concerned, or stop behaving like one altogether. An old queen behaving like an 8-year old…….hmm….
What more dishonesty can we expect from your evasive manner of reply ? Did I bring up the ‘COXFORD’ dictionary, or did some self-acclaimed English Language Supremo refer me to its existence ?
Is it true that your nephew gave you the ‘COXFORD’ dictionary for Christmas, and you did not buy it yourself to know that it cost $10 a copy ? Oh, yes, little nephew forgot to remove the price tag before wrapping up the gift.
Then again, why did your nephew buy the ‘COXFORD’ ? Could living with you become such a boring experience – (with your insistence on English perfection ) - that he believe a dose of Singlish will help you to go a longer way ?
Even an 8-year old has more wisdom towards reality then the ‘ivory set’ who believe themselves "be-longing" to the ‘ivy league’ while living in Singapore.
TidalWave333 writes:
Oh…..’oxymoronic’……this is going to be another one of those persistent abuse of a perfectly good word….like ‘working housewife’. So long as you feel good about it, I suppose it doesn’t matter if you reinforce perceptions of being silly.
Another dishonest reply to a dishonest extract of my statement made.
Your statement:- ‘OXYMORONIC’ – “…another one of those persistent abuse of a perfectly good word ” - hinted that I am the cause of the abuse, when you failed to extract in full the text of my post:
Atobe writes:
“Well, since you are having a whale of a time in your puddle of supreme confidence with your English, I am surprised you are so unwilling to stretch your mischievous moronic standards a little more to cover also those OXYMORONIC areas too.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=oxymoron
About the “working HOUSEWIFE” – if you are into Talking Cock, you should try to talk to your neighborhood Ah Soh – who is a housewife, and will probably be working at the neighborhood market or hawker center, or as a seamstress at a garment factory, or as a general helper at the MacDonalds, or your neighborhood friendly 7-Eleven store.
In the language of Talking Cock – either you are truly “goondu”, or you only want to “borak” “[i]
TidalWave333 writes:
[i]Atobe writes on 23 September 2004Only THREE (3) fits the said range of a FEW ?
Atobe writes on 22 September 2004:
Well, what are you complaining about ?
I was more generous then yourself, and had suggested the most likely number of SIX fans to your style of writing; but still it is only six out of a current count of 2500 PLUS hits to this thread.From these three fan of yours - two of them could not stand up to the scrutiny of their posts, and are simply borrowing your stage to make a vain effort to have a prick at my position; and perhaps another three more likely fans from the papier-mâché menagerie in this sgForum.
Until you are sure of what you are talking about, I will ignore your speculations. Since you have already ascertained “these three fans” of mine but qualified your uncertainty with ‘PERHAPS another three’….there is no need to give it much attention. I can name the first group of three myself (although I don’t think they are ‘fans’), but who are the next group of three? Your enemies here? Indeed you go on to acknowledge that the most ‘LIKELY’ number is six, but you cannot be sure can you? So many qualifications, so little certainty.
Is the crux of the issue here about pure numbers according to your narrow digitized mind, or does your dishonesty prevent you from cutting at the issue concerning such a few - small number of – supporters from a recorded hit list of 2700 plus readers ?
TidalWave333 writes:
Atobe writes“Atobe, atobe, you ignorant fool! “
Repetitive. Still nursing your bruised ego. See above why you are deserving of that label.
– what happened to your call for ‘decorum’ ?
Returning to subliminal efforts when you have run out of ‘verbage’ ?
TidalWave333 writes:
Atobe writes“What followers? What admirers? Tok tok wat har? More gibberish”
Repetitive. Still nursing your bruised ego. See explanation above. Ever wondered why you have not garnered any support from strangers?
– Now, now, you are so riled up that you cannot even recognized those FEW who were agreeable to ‘talk dirty’ with you about me.
Repetitive attempts at dishonest subliminal effort – will not help to cover your own efforts to heal your own wounds that you imagine happening on others.
Do you crave so much for public adulation that you find it to be unbelievable that “you have not garnered any support from stangers” ?
The difference between you and I is that I respond to you only - in all my response and to the issues raised; while you attempt to write for a wider public audience to gain public adulation with your hidden agenda of destroying my position, if not my character in this sgForum.
Unfortunately, those few that have come to your support, were previously scalded by me for their hollow and unattainable positions that they hold in their vain attempt to justify the actions of the Ruling Party or the policies of the Government. -
Continuation
TidalWave333 writes:
Atobe writesYou see what I mean ? When you get all riled up being emotional, you will loose track of your tasks. Did you not address the issue about ‘FEW’ a few paragraphs above ? Drivel again ?
Hehehehe …..you are far too kind. More imitation, and more flattery. This is indicative of your lack of resources where language is concerned. Why don’t you dig deep into your cache of silly drivel for more ammunition? By the way, it’s ‘lose’ NOT ‘loose’. But I won’t be holding any celebratory parties taunting you….with so many errors, such parties will become as repetitive as your drivel.
You will not believe it but actually in my kindness (which you have acknowledged), I had allowed you another opportunity to have a dig at my English, so as to allow you to fulfill your insatiable appetite for public adulation and recognition.
It is pitiful to see you all riled up, choked with anger and flustered into a tantrum.
TidalWave333 writes:
Atobe writesAspire to be you completely ?
ErrrÂ….there is no shame in wanting to idolize me. You are already adopting my vocabulary and style of writing here anyway. You can become my fan, but refrain from being a tedious groupie. As for Kumar, if you are enamored by the comedian, why donÂ’t you search for your feather boa and make a trip to see the new place for yourself? Far East Square, not Bugis JUNCTION, so donÂ’t get lost!
No thanks, I rather enjoy all your antics from a long distance, being half of Kumar in the “Boom Boom Room” - Kumar at least will make better stand-up jokes than you.
Wow, is the intense craving for public adulation so great that you cannot differentiate but see “rejection” as a “desire” ?
Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk, Sad. Very sad. It seems that your vanity knows no bounds, as you can even make an atrocious claim that the English vocabulary and the style of usage to be exclusively your alone.
It has been too long ago when the Boom Boom Room closed at Bugis Junction – it was then a popular anti-establishment place for rude jokes and heavy digs at the government.
If the place had changed into a “Category: ‘Gay and Lesbian’, Venues – well I think you should be more familiar than me, as I did not even know that they existed on the www until this posting of yours.
Did they change the dress code to feathery boa ?
It must have been done to help those unfortunate souls with "effeminate inclinations" but prefer to show a "straight" dishonest front.
This should give you an impetus to straighten out, which direction you intend to make yourself out to be, as
"Time and TIDE, waits for no MAN".
Or perhaps you will claim to be from an exclusive "twilight zone" - where time and tide will wait for the slower effeminated kind ? -
Where have you been wandering throughout these five pages in this thread, and still wondering "would the public sector ever get 5 day weeks too ?Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:er.......... i think you guys are going out of point
just wondering would the public sector ever get 5 day weeks too?
Go back to Page 1 for your answer. -
PART ONE
Atobe My DEAREST *blows you a kiss*,
*Yawns* I am so glad you discerned my lack of enthusiasm when I responded to your drivel previously. I promise you I WILL make an effort NOW to patronize you- you must have sacrificed the few brain cells left, and your precious meal time to produce such long and tedious literary waste. I must NOT disappoint, and grant you the courtesy of a longer response this time. For one who tries to portray himself as reasonable and calm, you certainly lost that disposition in your desperate attempts to crawl to the top of the dung-heap. Be my guest, others are only too happy for you to occupy that spot alone (and for as long as you want too!) HeheheÂ…
I can see my responses, however benign, didn’t go down well with you. That’s probably an understatement since this latest response from you only produced more insensible and obtuse verbatim. More repetitive, tedious, garbage from that foul gap of yours? Same old words, same old “I-am-so-pissed” attitude (Hahahaha! )
I always have time for a spot of laughter when engaging a dullard. All that anger, all those frustrations……..and all for what? To soothe your low self-esteem temporarily? To continue to delude yourself that you are actually intellectually competent? Come on, give yourself a break now…….you can copy my vocabulary, you can imitate my style of writing….but you can’t transform yourself from a pudding-head to something better- no matter how “superior” you pretend to be.
But really, are you totally oblivious to the silly hokum you produce here? Those long, meandering posts that go nowhere but demonstrate your resentment and uncouth upbringing? You are already disappointed with your present circumstance, why aggravate it further? For you, restraint, decorum and moderation are probably signs of weakness. I beg to differ of course. You pour scorn on those who offer differing views and yet you do not possess the intellectual capacity to back up yours. You display the kind of character defect that invites contempt if not bemusement. Your loud, agitated “anti-everything” rhetoric is just a thin disguise for the frustrations you feel. Admittedly, I do have some pity for you- but what can one do? Accept you are just a nobody, and an ignorant one at that, that’s all. You see yourself as an “ordinary citizen” fighting for the common cause? Keep thinking that way- maybe you will gain someone’s sympathy one day.
And oh… what’s this drivel about Kumar and your silly taunts about sexuality? Hahahaha…. how low do you intend to go, old boy? Take my advice…you have already lost your credibility and demonstrated your ignorance……..save some grace for yourself before you truly reduce your ‘persona’ here into the ultimate joke of SgForums. (And don’t try to pin the blame on me when that happens! Hehe )
LetÂ’s see what bits of garbage I will grant you the honour of a response here.
Atobe writesIf my response was not substantive, I wonder why you even bother to carry on with this exercise through so many days, except for the sheer vanity of public adulation and recognition ?
You are an exceptional dullard. It’s so hard to find a person who is so deluded and delightfully spiteful (Hehe ). Like I said, your ignorance provides laughter and I can certainly afford the 30-minutes daily. But the question can also be asked of you: What do you gain from writing such long tedious insults? How many hours did you take to type all that drivel between ‘writing and working’? Come on, don’t fool yourself- you keep imagining I enjoy public adulation and recognition. Those ARE exactly what you crave for but never received EH? You can have it all- in your deluded, anxious mind, it’s probably a panacea for your pitiful condition.
Atobe writesTo describe you as being ‘queer’ will be ironic to your status reflected in your determined display of high standard of English usage, and yet your preferred usage of endearment will probably confirm the correctness of this term applied
HahahaÂ….you really are catty arenÂ’t you? While I am aware of your crude nature judging from your coarse and distasteful responses in this and other threads, it never occurred to me you would stoop this low. If you canÂ’t act like a real man (even when agitated), why donÂ’t you just tie your hair with red ribbons, wear a dress and be done with it? What a N***Y (Hehe )
Atobe writesIn your anxiety to flip me and pin me down, you seem to be unable to discern the significance of the ‘old address’ given, which clearly shows that I am an infrequent visitor to the ‘Boom Boom Room’, and do not even know of its existence since the closure of its premises at Bugis – ( back in the 1980s ?
The problem with the ‘old address’ is that Boom Boom Room was ORIGINALLY located at Bugis STREET, NOT Bugis Junction. Ho ho ho……..it is unnecessary to tell me if you used to be a regular there. I have no problems with your patronage there, neither do I discriminate against people of different sexual inclinations. Of course, I don’t expect you to display a tolerant and enlightened attitude towards this, seeing how persistent you try to crack jokes about it. Tsk tsk…some people are not only uneducated where economics and languages are concerned, they also lack the qualities one desires in a grown adult.
Atobe writesYou need not have taken the trouble to look up for its present address unless you are particularly inclined towards Kumar, and to share your terms of endearment with him and his pals ?
Dear meÂ…Â…I see you canÂ’t get over it. You have something against Kumar donÂ’t you? Or are you just prejudiced against people who perform in cabaret shows? Grow up a bit wonÂ’t you dearest Atobe?
Atobe writesUnfortunately, I am not too inclined towards terms of superfluous endearment of the highest degree – dear perhaps may slip through, but ‘DEAREST’ ???
DonÂ’t you like that affectionate salutation? Beats being a spiteful nitwit doesnÂ’t it?
Atobe writesWhether you are a female, or someone belonging from the in-between-world of the Twilight Zone, it does not matter to me. Those that are of any interest to me will probably be more palatable and sensuous in intellect and feminity than you can ever hope to be
Here we go againÂ…Â….you really are obsessed with transvestites arenÂ’t you? Get over it old boy (Hahahaha ) I must have hit a nerve or something, or threatened your masculinity. -
PART TWO
Atobe writesIf you are so desperate to grab as being correct - that the quantity of 3 persons will fit into the ‘FEW’ to satisfy your craving for correctness and restore injured pride – perhaps it is not too foolish if we call you with an additional term “BLIND” fool
I think the point is the appropriate number the word ‘few’ accommodates. Anything that is more than ONE but remains an infinitely small number IS acceptable according to the dictionary meaning I provided for your reference. Are you TRYING VERY HARD to dismiss dictionary meanings, or TRYING VERY HARD to save some ‘face’ after I pointed out your ignorance of the word ‘few’. Come on, people already know you are weak in economics and languages. No shame in being uninformed. Just learn from here LOR.
3 persons out of a readership-hits of 2700 plus (up to this stage) remains just merely a FEW that is in support of your position. Your desperation for public adulation is again on display ?
Atobe writesGood work, boy. Glad to know your time in school remain of some use ?
You seem to bear a grudge towards those who get their facts right, and who are more educated. “Upgrade” yourself LOR. By the way, have you learnt the difference between grammar and spelling after your retort? (Hehehe )
Atobe writesWhy do you avoid giving a reply to questions about your honesty in only extracting parts of sentences, and adding new words into the parts that have been extracted ?
See how long this post is becoming already, since I dignified your insults by penning responses. You must understand I only do this when (1) I can see you are genuinely agitated; and (2) I am genuinely tickled. You keep accusing me of not answering your questions. What questions? Substantive ones A NOT HAR? List a few here then. If not, donÂ’t hold your breath for too long.
Hey, sonny, you got to polish up on your efforts to be more honest with your attempts, as good English alone is not enough for the high standards of decorum that you expected from others
Atobe writes“Holy Cow” or “Sweet Jesus” - would have at least confirmed the intensity of your character now that the “TRAIL” has been spotted
HAR!!! Still harping on one typo? Must be like striking TOTO for you here. Poor youÂ…..but I can understand your situationÂ…..itÂ’s a rare chance for you to make a fuss where language is concerned. All that accumulated frustrations after I corrected your numerous language errors must have been close to exploding eh? O.K. LORÂ…I will make a few errors here iMtensionaRlly for you. Happy? (Hahahaha )
Atobe writesAs the adage goes “If you live in a glass house, do not throw stones”.
I can think of a better line to describe you…. “He that doth not know those things which are of use for him to know, is but an ignorant man, whatever he may know besides.”
Atobe writesQuite normal to expect all the bluster that simply fizzle out, as can only be expected of little puddle of water that try to be a “Tidal Wave”.
AIYAH! Still behaving like an 8-year old dolt HAR! WhatÂ’s the difference between a wave and a pool of water? WhatÂ’s the difference between your urethra waste and a swimming pool. Go figureÂ…Â…
Atobe writesYou sound more convincing with your terms of endearment in portraying some sense of feminine sincerity then with your attempts to put up an honest public face.
So am I sincere or insincere? What makes you so sure I am NOT male? And which factual statement of mine is insincere? Making accusations out of thin air is easyÂ…..producing a concrete example is not. (Hehehe )
Atobe writesYou can find the issues by scrolling back across the last few pages, and figure out which parts of my posts you have preferred to dismiss to suit your narrow vision agenda
Done! I spent an hour scrolling back despite knowing the apparent foolishness of such a task. (Being kind to you is foolish, but I did it- just once for you) CanÂ’t find anyÂ…..why donÂ’t you show me your 5 best examples.
Atobe writesIs it true that your nephew gave you the ‘COXFORD’ dictionary for Christmas, and you did not buy it yourself to know that it cost $10 a copy ? Oh, yes, little nephew forgot to remove the price tag before wrapping up the gift
It’s true my nephew did that. It’s true I didn’t buy it. As for the price….I checked online prior to writing that post (!!!!) because I was serious you should educate yourself. The url is http://www.selectbooks.com.sg/titles/32658.htm (Select Bookstore) So are you going to acknowledge you didn’t know the Singlish words ‘blur’ and ‘sotong’ A NOT HAR?
Atobe writesThen again, why did your nephew buy the ‘COXFORD’ ? Could living with you become such a boring experience – (with your insistence on English perfection ) - that he believe a dose of Singlish will help you to go a longer way ?
Actually he doesnÂ’t live with me. Actually we donÂ’t live on the same continent either (hint hint wink wink
to you hehehehe ) The mind of an 8-year old is sometimes unfathomable- you should know, your intellectual development stopped there.
Atobe writes on 24 September 2004Even an 8-year old has more wisdom towards reality then the ‘ivory set’ who believe themselves "be-longing" to the ‘ivy league’ while living in Singapore.
Atobe wrote on 16 September 2004Ho ho ho - so finally the 'ivory league' personna appear from the 'ivory tower'.
AIYAH! Quit being jealous alright. You have to make up your mind if I belong to the ‘ivy league’or not (NOT ‘ivory league” by the way Hahaha!) One day I am from the ivy- league, another day, it’s just make-believe. See how INconsistent you are, and how readily you change your perspectives to suit your own argument? Of course I am also reminded by your AFC example:
TidalWave333 wrote on 16 Sept 2004:
So, on 13 September, the "Financial Crisis of 1997 crashed onto us" but hold on(!) today (16 September) you say “Singapore had withstood the pressures of the currency crisis in this Asian Financial debacle”???
Another example of your well-documented mode of inconsistency?? Shifting subtle but important perspectives from post-to-post?
HeheheÂ….maybe I do live in Singapore, maybe I donÂ’tÂ….maybe I am male, maybe I am notÂ….maybe I am a trained economist, maybe I am notÂ…..maybe I am a technocrat, maybe I am notÂ…Â…maybe I am a government mentee, maybe I am not, maybe oldbreadstinks conspired with me, maybe he didnÂ’tÂ…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â… -
PART THREE
Atobe writesIs the crux of the issue here about pure numbers according to your narrow digitized mind, or does your dishonesty prevent you from cutting at the issue concerning such a few - small number of – supporters from a recorded hit list of 2700 plus readers ?
I never claimed I had supporters. That was your insistent delusion all along. I donÂ’t have fans either- so reboot your crazy mind.
Remember this exchange on 22 September 2004:
Atobe writes
For someone who claimed to have followed all my posts in every thread like an ardent follower, either you are dishonest in your claim, or you are so deeply immersed in your own pompous efforts that you are not familiar to the other participants also existing in these pages, and who are acclaimed faithful admirer of your posts. So much for the true face that you project.
Tidalwave writes
What followers? What admirers? Tok tok wat har? More gibberish.
So hard up for some support that you have pinned your delusions on me?
Atobe writesDo you crave so much for public adulation that you find it to be unbelievable that “you have not garnered any support from stangers” ?
No errrrÂ….if I really wanted public adulation, I would find it very easy to believe I have support. Another example of your contradictory statements? AIYAH! See above.
Wah! I must never agree to responding to your meaningless drivel againÂ…..this is taking more than 30 minutesÂ….
Oh.....just to remind you I am still amused by your English (without making a big fuss), it's " Do you crave FOR so much public adulation..."
Atobe writesThe difference between you and I is that I respond to you only - in all my response and to the issues raised; while you attempt to write for a wider public audience to gain public adulation with your hidden agenda of destroying my position, if not my character in this sgForum.
AIYAH! Quit your fantasy that I enjoy ‘support’ here, or that I have a ‘fan base’ here. All lies you made up in your hallucinations LAH! Happy now?
Unfortunately, those few that have come to your support, were previously scalded by me for their hollow and unattainable positions that they hold in their vain attempt to justify the actions of the Ruling Party or the policies of the Government.
Atobe writesYou will not believe it but actually in my kindness (which you have acknowledged), I had allowed you another opportunity to have a dig at my English, so as to allow you to fulfill your insatiable appetite for public adulation and recognition
Hahahahaha …….your mental condition is deteriorating. Your hallucinations and jealousy about my alleged ‘public recognition’ is not only getting repetitive but OUT-OF-CONTROL! So desperate that I should be a celebrity here? Judging from the contempt you earned yourself from other readers in other threads, you are the real STAR!
Atobe writesIt has been too long ago when the Boom Boom Room closed at Bugis Junction – it was then a popular anti-establishment place for rude jokes and heavy digs at the government.
Oh, I have already pointed out that (1) you got the address wrong to begin with, (2) your attempt to crack jokes about different sexual inclinations is distasteful and perhaps even genuinely hurtful to other readers in a public forum here. Some self-control for once Atobe dear.
If the place had changed into a “Category: ‘Gay and Lesbian’, Venues – well I think you should be more familiar than me, as I did not even know that they existed on the www until this posting of yours.
Or perhaps you will claim to be from an exclusive "twilight zone" - where time and tide will wait for the slower effeminated kind ?
Oldbreadstinks- you are quite rightÂ…..if I continue to patronize Atobe, he will just continue to delude himself into thinking the more spiteful his posts are, the more intelligent he is. CanÂ’t let him self-destruct even if others find him an irritable worm.
So Atobe Dearest…I must compile a “little list of shame” and remind you of those issues you so artfully tried to avoid. On to the next post….. (Hehe ) -
PART FOUR
Atobe Dearest
No more procrastination. No more insults to avoid giving a straight answer.
ItÂ’s time to clarify these ECONOMIC ISSUES which you have tried so hard to avoid in the last few days. If you need to refresh your memory, simply scroll back to relevant posts. The excerpts are all dated.
ONE- CIVIL SERVICE WORKING HOURS
What do you have to say about the reforms being carried out in the European Union now where working hours are concerned? What do the events there tell you? What is it about the new civil service hours you find so objectionable?
Atobe writes:Western Government and societies and companies worked far less hours than the 44 hour week practised by the Singapore Government.
TidalWave333 writes
Even in the Private Sector in Singapore, some Companies that follow a 5-day week do not insist on a 44 hour week, and even go a step further by allowing their Employees flexi-working hours. (13 Sept 2004)
What is the big deal of this ..... "time to turn this stone over also" .... that merely allow him to exercise his "new" muscle as a new PM ?
All the fanfare and hullabaloo for merely changing the working arrangement of a Government that remained stubbornly to a 6-day week since independence ?
Does this change reflect a super-human effort on LHL's part to lift such a heavy stone and have it turned over ? (16 Sept 2004)I have already addressed why shortening work hours is NOT the way to go in previous posts. I have also quoted examples from the West, esp. the EU where extending working hours is crucial to maintaining competitiveness. They are learning too late that the economy is losing out- badly. These are not offhand remarks on my part, but reality. Under European Union rules, 48 working hours is the maximum legal limit, and controversy over a new act to change this is NOT because workers want to work shorter hours, but because they are PREVENTED FROM WORKING LONGER if they wish to. (See http://www.euobserver.com/?sid=19&aid=17276). Your attempt to portray the government as being out-of-sync with labour reforms elsewhere is ignorant to say the least.
Perhaps you will also find this recent International Herald Tribune article on 23 September 2004 useful:
More importantly, the move is not even about shortening work hours, it is about giving families more weekend time without sacrificing national competitiveness. This is NOT simply government propaganda (you wouldnÂ’t want hundred of thousands of jobs to be lost from Singapore to others, would you?), but striking a balance between family and career? Unless you are obtuse, which person wouldnÂ’t welcome having an entire Saturday off, by working 30-60 mins more per weekday? 9 hours Mon-Fri (45 hours) OR 8 hours Mon-Fri (40 hours) and 5 hours on Sat? No doubt workaholics may despair, but the majority will not. (16 September)
BRUSSELS The European Commission proposed on Wednesday to water down the rules that govern maximum working hours for employees, bowing to pressure from business and from Eastern European members of the EU seeking to catch up with their richer western neighbors.
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Five of the eight countries that pushed the commission to relax the restrictions were new European Union members afraid that too-tight limits on working hour would hurt competitiveness, and with it, their chances to catch up with their richer western neighbors.
The working time directive, as it is known, limits most employees who work on a shift to an average workweek of 48 hours including overtime. This is among the most restrictive working time laws in the world. The United States, by comparison, has no federal limit on working time. Europe's law does not apply to managers or "other persons with autonomous decision-taking powers." To make the law more flexible, the commission would allow employers to measure the average workweek over a period of 12 months, instead of the current four-month reference period.
(For full story, see url http://www.iht.com/articles/540151.html)
LetÂ’s hear your comments.
TWO- UNEMPLOYMENT AND THE “HEADSTART” OTHERS ENJOY
What does the unemployment situation in India and China tell you? How do these countries with a larger industrial base and bigger market have a HEADSTART (as you claimed) in resolving unemployment issues compared to Singapore?
Atobe writesIf the population size of India or China is ten times bigger then Singapore, will not the percentage of unemployment become even more significantly larger, without necessarily to be in the same proportion. Yes, restructuring is affecting the entire world economies, but countries with a larger industrial base that has access to a larger natural and captive market of consumers formed by their larger population numbers – will eventually offer themselves a better than even chance of success, when compared to the acknowledged natural limitations that are quite unique to smaller countries like Singapore. (16 Sept 2004)
TidalWave333 writesYes, yes, yes to all that digressive drivel. But what are the unemployment rates in those countries? What is the point of rehashing economic clichés about India and China when no one is disagreeing about the size of their foreign reserves. The pertinent subject here is unemployment rates.(Answer: latest annual 2003 figures China 10% urban unemployment where ironically most jobs are; India:9.1%) Is Singapore not, and indeed the rest of the world, restructuring and taking note of the challenges posed by the two countries? For example the American government highlighting the outsourcing problem, the Japanese government fretting over its domestic industries moving to China etc.
LetÂ’s hear your response.
It doesn’t mean the larger the population, the percentage will become ‘significantly larger’. (Think USA or UK). What percentages tell us is the ratio of the unemployed compared to the employed in a country.
YOU are the one who said territorial and population size are advantages in ‘flexibility of policy’.
YOU are the one who brought up the examples of China and India. Unfortunately, we have neither seen examples of how territorial and population sizes have demonstrated this ‘flexibility’ from concrete evidence, nor have your economic cliches of China and India said anything more about them curbing high unemployment rates. (16 Sept 2004) -
PART FIVE
THREE- YOUR SWITZERLAND EXAMPLE
What have you got to say about your bizarre example of Switzerland after I pointed out your contradictions? Do not keep quiet as you have done after I responded on the same day.
Atobe writesÂ…Â…..when compared to the acknowledged natural limited characteristics that is quite unique to small countries like Singapore.
TidalWave333 writes
While Switzerland is similar in size to Singapore, it is able to hold its head above water, as it has access to the European CommunityÂ…Â…Â…(16 Sept 2004)Did you read the article from the Economist I provided for you. What has the past 39 years proven about Singapore? LetÂ’s see historical evidence, and current economic realities, instead of your endless speculations.
Respond Atobe.
I am glad you did not state in words that Switzerland is part of the EU, otherwise that would be providing me with another entry in your list of ignorant statements. You canÂ’t be referring to the territorial size of Switzerland of course, and the population size of Switzerland is almost twice that of SingaporeÂ’s at 7.4 million. But your ignorance still shows in many ways.
(a)Switzerland has few natural resources like Singapore (unless one counts timber). It is also landlocked with no natural harbour or a strategic geographical position unlike Singapore. Referring to Singapore’s ‘natural limited characteristics’ and then using Switzerland as a basis of contrast is telling. Like Singapore, Switzerland did not allow itself to be ‘limited’ by its lack of ‘natural characteristics’ (Your choice of words is amusing!) – instead it sought to leverage on its financial and manufacturing capabilities. Similarly, Singapore has not allowed itself to be limited by its lack of natural resources, or land size, but has developed its capacities in other areas. Its success over three decades is evident.
(b)Switerland’s ‘access’ to the European community is underpinned by the FTA of 1972, and another seven agreements in 1980. Following your logic that success is guaranteed by market access and FTAs, we must then conclude that Singapore with its many FTAs with US, Japan , Australia, NZ, Chile etc etc, EFTA (wtih Switzerland Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein) and its membership in the ASEAN Free Trade Area with 500 million people will perform the same miracle for us. How does that make Singapore and Switzerland different from your simplistic logic then? (16 Sept 2004)
FOUR-CURRENCY VALUES
I have yet to hear the economic czarÂ’s response to the fallacy that stronger currencies serve as a good indicator of economic performance. He has ignored my response to that assertion and remained silent as usual.
Atobe writesWhile the values of currencies maybe measured against Trade Weighted Index, it nevertheless showed up the weakness of Singapore's position in our own Singapore Dollar weakening so rapidly, when the Australia's Dollar managed to climb in value during the same period from 2002-2003.
TidalWave333 writes
Leaving aside those countries who do not wish to have their currencies exposed to the volatality of market forces, and prefer to pegged it at a fixed rate to other stronger currencies, it already is available and serves as a good indicator of economic performance. (16 Sept 2004)No explicit admission of error that you were wrong in stating that the AUD currency rose 30% against the SGD. Just ‘acknowledgement’ again? (hahaha! )
FIVE-ORIGINS OF SINGAPOREÂ’S ECONOMIC SLUMP FROM 2001-2002
The SGD is traded between a narrow undisclosed band and managed against a basket of other currencies. It will not appreciate to its true market value (since internationally it is considered undervalued like the Chinese yuan or Malaysian ringgit- see EIC reports for e.g) because that will make our exports too expensive. So the SGD did not “weaken so rapidly” (unlike the Thai baht or Indonesian ruppiah) in the past, neither will it strengthen rapidly in the future. Currency values are of course affected by forex speculations, which is why central banks of various countries spend millions (in the case of Japan’s Central Bank) to keep it within their desired range. Many countries, especially in Asia prefer their currencies remain ‘competitive’ compared to the USD in fact. It is NOT a real or true indicator of economic performance. Get it? (16 Sept 2004)
You have also not said anything about the origins of SingaporeÂ’s economic slump, after mistakening the Asian financial crisis as the main agent (despite statistics to the contrary.) You have refused to challenge my figures, or provide any alternative evidence, choosing instead to explode into another barrage of insults. Time now that you offer your perspective.
TidalWave333 writesI can only say that while the Asian financial crisis did affect Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and indeed other parts of the word, they did NOT suffer a meltdown, unlike the four most directly involved- Thailand, Malaysia, South Korea, Indonesia. Indeed Singapore clocked in 5.4% in 1999, and 9.9% in 2000. It was the global (from the US, Japan and EU) economic downturn that hit the economy, not the Asian crisis per se that put economic growth at minus 2.1% in 2001. (13 Sept 2004)
Atobe writesThe recommendations from the 1987 ERC was never fully implemented, and the economy had recovered by its own natural cyclic evolutions, with a moderate push from the Singapore Government by tweaking the CPF and Wage Rates - that were soon restored to its full 40% rate for CPF, and NWC of 8% increases.
TidalWave333 writes
Having ignored the careful studied proposals by the 1987 ERC, the status quo in conducting affairs continued until the Financial Crisis of 1997 crashed onto us, even when the signs were already warning us that the continued methods cannnot "sustain or protect us through another storm. (13 September 2004)Woah!!!! You had the great foresight to predict the Asian financial crisis TEN TEARS BEFORE it actually happened…all without any statistics too! Just making links from one proposal to another and finally drawing “logical” conclusions. Do us a favour, join the MAS or become a temple medium. (hehe ) You really have no shame portraying yourself as an economic czar (despite your evident limitations), better than the economists, analysts and government officials from around the world put together, don't you?
SIX- "LIBERAL" GLOBALIZATION
So, on 13 September, the "Financial Crisis of 1997 crashed onto us" but hold on(!) today (16 September) you say “Singapore had withstood the pressures of the currency crisis in this Asian Financial debacle”???
Another example of your well-documented mode of inconsistency?? Shifting subtle but important perspectives from post-to-post?
Make up your mind as to whether the crisis affected Singapore directly or not!! Otherwise, itÂ’s very difficult to conduct a rational and logical discussion. (16 Sept 2004)
So tell us, where did you read about “LIBERAL" GLOBALIZATION? Is this your new invention in the discipline of political science, or do you know something other political scientists don’t? And don’t try to digress by resorting to insults again.
Atobe writesAre my views too jarring for your senses that seems only able to hear the directions of your mentors only ? Surely, you are not serious in wanting to know more of my views about this subject about "liberal globalization” Surely, the next few volumes of exchanges will not be tiresome for you, as you have already stated your preference in avoiding such matters in recent preceding replies ?
TidalWave333 writes
Perhaps, you should ask your "mentors" the same questions, as they seem to be ardent supporters of a more liberal trade environment based on a global grid. (16 Sept 2004)There is no such label as ‘liberal globalization’. Anyone who is versed in the discipline of globalization, Third Wave politics or S. Huntington will tell you that. Ignorant as usual (16 Sept 2004)
Waiting for your responses Atobe Dearest. Give us sensible, meaningful ones (if you are competent). -
TO Tidalwave333
LOL!!one week neber check, and getting funnier esp. your last post. ask him to tie hair and wear dress! haha but oso quite mean leh rite?
the way you write damn style. good english, some words must check dictionary oso. qitai and oldbreadstinks say it's dirty work, but reminds me of dirty talk oso.
tidlwave u got my pm a not? reply leh.