Nails on Walls
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Town councils resort to embedding nails on walls in common areas and void decks to deter children from playing ball games there. - New Paper.
I think thats really a stupid idea. They shd look at the root of the problem instead. That children have no proper places to play. Build more street soccer courts or educating them not to be inconsiderate by playing at void decks. -
This problem of children playing at void decks, has NO solution. And the supposedly ideal solution of building more playgrounds and ball courts, is not a solution. Because when the ball court is being used by another group of children, or when it rains, it will still be the void deck that children will play in.
The root of this issue, is really with the parents. And generally PEOPLE of Singapore. Not facilities.
I see all too often, playgrounds being systematically destroyed by children, or misused ( I need not detail the meaning of misused - one can just simply imagine ).
Again I repeat; it is PEOPLE. Not facilities. One such good example will be our roadways: advance network of roads, but typical SIngaporean motorists and their Bad Driving Habits, only slows down traffic and increase travelling time. As well as reduce safety on our roads.
Period. There's really no complaining or blaming the town council for implementing NAILS on the WALLS. It's the perfect last resort when PEOPLE just don't CARE, or LISTEN.
There is ALWAYS A CAUSE for something so drastic to be implemented.
I applaud the Town Council of Tampines and Hougang! -
Whats next ? Plant landmines on grass patches so ppl dun walk on them ?
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Any solutions against dumb bikers who refuse to park in carpark?
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Get the Town Council to poke their tyres with nails.Originally posted by Otingocni:Any solutions against dumb bikers who refuse to park in carpark?
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Town council often send people down to the neighbourhood issuing summons to those who park illegally.... my place they summon S$100 first time... maybe your town council never do their work... heheheOriginally posted by Otingocni:Any solutions against dumb bikers who refuse to park in carpark? -
While agreeing that "nails on walls" is really an extreme method to control ball players in void deck, I can see the reason why they want this done.
I have seen ceiling lights smashed 'cos ball players hit the ball too high, or walls with imprints on muddy soccer balls.
For people who don't play balls at the void deck, this should not matter.
For people who do, go play somewhere else. -
remember my day..even got soccer court i also dont want....the sun kill me leh.Originally posted by tspg:Town councils resort to embedding nails on walls in common areas and void decks to deter children from playing ball games there. - New Paper.
I think thats really a stupid idea. They shd look at the root of the problem instead. That children have no proper places to play. Build more street soccer courts or educating them not to be inconsiderate by playing at void decks.
My best solution is ..build stone table and stone chairs if the space too empty in the void deck. -
Let me ask you people; how, do you like to be walking home after a day's work, or after marketing nearby your home, and being smack on the side of your face or head by a football while passing through the void deck *WHACK!!* And your glasses go flying, the kids just run off.
I had it once, and I have seen old housewives getting hit too.
What if, it was a baby in a pram who gets hit? What do you think the consequences will be?
Children needs a place to play, yes. But this requirement should encroach on the safety of others. Besides, since people don't listen, or cannot control their children, then it's down to hard and fast rules.
It appears to me that the SOFT approach DOES NOT work with Singaporeans. -
i still wanna know... where do children go play football then?
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Originally posted by the Bear:i still wanna know... where do children go play football then?
aaarrr??? football field???
Point is, there are places for kids to let off steam. Maybe got to walk a bit. My HDB flat has a basketball court 50m away, a badminton court 30m away, two exercise park/play area within 15m from the void deck. Another larger "colosseum" style play area about 80m away...
It is not that there are no play areas, but some kids choose the void deck 'cos it is convenient. Realistically how to play proper soccer? with pillars all over the place?
There is a place for everything, void deck's not for ball games. Radio control cars maybe, taichi maybe, beyblade maybe; ball games? go to a proper location. -
i was thinking about other areas...
maybe clementi?
fields are school fields.. fenced... others are so near the roads...
basketball court football is also frowned upon...
oh well... i'm past that age... where we could catch fish in drains, places to run around in, trees to climb... stuff like that?Originally posted by Chin Eng: aaarrr??? football field???
Point is, there are places for kids to let off steam. Maybe got to walk a bit. My HDB flat has a basketball court 50m away, a badminton court 30m away, two exercise park/play area within 15m from the void deck. Another larger "colosseum" style play area about 80m away...
It is not that there are no play areas, but some kids choose the void deck 'cos it is convenient. Realistically how to play proper soccer? with pillars all over the place?
There is a place for everything, void deck's not for ball games. Radio control cars maybe, taichi maybe, beyblade maybe; ball games? go to a proper location. -
true.... no soccer fields. But void decks with, like 10 pillars, also cannot play proper soccer .... only a bunch a juvenile deliquents whacking dirty ball on wall.
like one of the earlier postings, a couple of soccer balls flew close to my face.
wonder how people feel if some adults use the void deck to putt their golf balls.
or would these people do at home what they do at the void deck...??? -
School fields are out of bounds one. In basket ball courts soccer players must complete with basketball players. If there are enough street soccer courts around you think the kids want to play downstairs where there are so many pillars and the space is so small ? I think Town Councils shd construct more street soccer courts.Originally posted by the Bear:i was thinking about other areas...
maybe clementi?
fields are school fields.. fenced... others are so near the roads...
basketball court football is also frowned upon...
oh well... i'm past that age... where we could catch fish in drains, places to run around in, trees to climb... stuff like that?
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wtf?? as in if the kid run into the wall, he will be totally impaled into a bloody pulp? I would really like to see thatOriginally posted by tspg:Town councils resort to embedding nails on walls in common areas and void decks to deter children from playing ball games there. - New Paper.
I think thats really a stupid idea. They shd look at the root of the problem instead. That children have no proper places to play. Build more street soccer courts or educating them not to be inconsiderate by playing at void decks. -
No lah... the nails are so high up on the walls that even Yao Ming cannot get himself impaled.... don't get the idea that walls look like medieval torture device.
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my place there basketball court there also put nails on top of the fence, dont know for what F**K, then one time my friend overshoot the basketball and kanna the nails somemore leave a deep scratch on my basketball. Stupid @!#!@$$%#@$@!$!!@#$!!$$!@@@ people
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sign! remember those days, even can catch spiders. Many times balls smashed school's windows, and kena chased by the guards. We were young, we made mistakes, kena reprimanded if suey suey kena caught. But we have good memories.Originally posted by the Bear:i was thinking about other areas...
maybe clementi?
fields are school fields.. fenced... others are so near the roads...
basketball court football is also frowned upon...
oh well... i'm past that age... where we could catch fish in drains, places to run around in, trees to climb... stuff like that?
Now I wonder how our children will grow up. Stay at home play comuter, play taichi, with the grandfather?? will there be called "juvenile deliquents" just because their balls went astray and hit somebody? will they be forgiven if they say "sorry"?
There is one more reason now for the kids not wanting to look up to those older ones, they see spikes and nails!! sigh!!!
Talk about a gracious society!!
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Maybe the children that are caught should be made to do CWO or clean up the area. That may make them learn from their mistakes. At the same time schools should allow their students to use their facilities and town councils may also consider building more street soccer courts.
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football fields? well that sure is easy for you to sayOriginally posted by Chin Eng: aaarrr??? football field???
Point is, there are places for kids to let off steam. Maybe got to walk a bit. My HDB flat has a basketball court 50m away, a badminton court 30m away, two exercise park/play area within 15m from the void deck. Another larger "colosseum" style play area about 80m away...
It is not that there are no play areas, but some kids choose the void deck 'cos it is convenient. Realistically how to play proper soccer? with pillars all over the place?
There is a place for everything, void deck's not for ball games. Radio control cars maybe, taichi maybe, beyblade maybe; ball games? go to a proper location.
Look, schools DO NOT open their fields and when you want to use a field, you have to PAY, almost $90 just for one game.
You play on a school field, someone chases you out. And these kids are KIDS, what do you want them to do? take drugs?
Once again its easy to say, there's basketball court here and there. How many kids can that hold?
The problem in this case is NOT the people or the parents, its the government. For years they have cut down on playing areas. When i was in secondary school, we use to play on a field, we could play up to 20 a side. that's 40 kids?
But then they decided to plant a basketball court and some old folks game area in there. We wrote a petition, many signed. It was ignored. They built it and tell me who the hell plays on that patch of grass anymore. The only thing used is the basketball court which at most can hold 20 people.
Understand the situation, don't brush it off thinking it can be solved just by "going somewhere else" -
If they had opened the fields many years before or built more facilities, do you think the kids will play at a void deck?Originally posted by The Barracuda:Maybe the children that are caught should be made to do CWO or clean up the area. That may make them learn from their mistakes. At the same time schools should allow their students to use their facilities and town councils may also consider building more street soccer courts. -
How would you like to be a kid, with not much money, wanting to engage in sports, find out that there is no where to play. Not enough facilities and some people just call the cops on you or start measures like these?Originally posted by ShutterBug:Let me ask you people; how, do you like to be walking home after a day's work, or after marketing nearby your home, and being smack on the side of your face or head by a football while passing through the void deck *WHACK!!* And your glasses go flying, the kids just run off.
I had it once, and I have seen old housewives getting hit too.
What if, it was a baby in a pram who gets hit? What do you think the consequences will be?
Children needs a place to play, yes. But this requirement should encroach on the safety of others. Besides, since people don't listen, or cannot control their children, then it's down to hard and fast rules.
It appears to me that the SOFT approach DOES NOT work with Singaporeans.
Blame the parents? Blame the kids? They are KIDS, let them run around! Find something else to do? They'll be the fat kids we have nowadays sitting in front of their TVs playing PS2 or studying their brains out and come out to a working world which will eat them up alive.
Like i said, its EASY for you to say go somewhere else, blame the parents, there's a court nearby. Then all i have to say that is that you do not know the root of the problem yet. -
We must take a carrot and stick approach.Originally posted by kopiosatu:If they had opened the fields many years before or built more facilities, do you think the kids will play at a void deck?
Give them alternative places to play and punish them for playing in the wrong places and destroying public property. -
Yes, OPEN the fields first, build facilities. If they fail to obey, PUNISH themOriginally posted by The Barracuda:We must take a carrot and stick approach.
Give them alternative places to play and punish them for playing in the wrong places and destroying public property.
but the problem now is that the kids are being cornered with no other options.
Tell them to play another game? Obviously a non-footballer making that comment. -
On the other hand....Originally posted by kopiosatu:football fields? well that sure is easy for you to say
Look, schools DO NOT open their fields and when you want to use a field, you have to PAY, almost $90 just for one game.
You play on a school field, someone chases you out. And these kids are KIDS, what do you want them to do? take drugs?
Once again its easy to say, there's basketball court here and there. How many kids can that hold?
The problem in this case is NOT the people or the parents, its the government. For years they have cut down on playing areas. When i was in secondary school, we use to play on a field, we could play up to 20 a side. that's 40 kids?
But then they decided to plant a basketball court and some old folks game area in there. We wrote a petition, many signed. It was ignored. They built it and tell me who the hell plays on that patch of grass anymore. The only thing used is the basketball court which at most can hold 20 people.
Understand the situation, don't brush it off thinking it can be solved just by "going somewhere else"
I do understand the situation. I am not saying that putting the nails are correct. I am saying that the "reason" for kids to play soccer (or ball games) in a void deck with plenty of pillars is NOT the solution.
Kids being kids, they don't care if the balls are clean or dirty, they don't care if the balls hit the fluorescent tubes and smashing them, they run away at the first spot of trouble. So in such a situation, what do YOU say?
I'd agree that there is insufficient play areas, I just don't agree that the void deck is the place for ball games, especially but kids who can't aim a ball to save their life.
On the same side of the argument, a soccer game is not the end-all in this argument. What if kids wish to play squash, or rugby, or tennis? Wouldn't you agree that there are other proper places to play this game?