Question for Singapore Malays
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Hee hee, asking burntan, not you.
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Burntan
There are no NEP-style affirmative programmes which favour one race over another in Singapore.
The success of the Singaporean Malay over his counterparts in the region is evident, whether you look at it from education, occupation, wealth, integration with the rest of Singaporeans (of other races) etc. This was pointed out by Singapore a few years ago, and the published statistics caused a diplomatic fracas with Malaysia.
Perhaps it may strike you as uncommon if you have lived in Malaysia for a long time, but by and large, no one actually gives much thought to the other person's skin colour in our daily lives. We compete for the same jobs, attend the same schools, go to the same food courts.
In fact, I am meeting a group of friends later for dinner, one of whom is Malay Muslim. We intend to eat at the same table (gasp!) but we have not decided on which film to catch yet.
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Originally posted by Qitai:Hee hee, asking burntan, not you. oops okay...
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I see it as racist and unfair to other race.Originally posted by Qitai:Singapore Malay gets free education from primary school right up to university.
Other races in Singapore pay fees from secondary school onwards.
I do not know how you are going to read this. Care to comment?
If Singapore govt wish to support the poor, they should support them base on income group, NOT race! -
Originally posted by burntan:
Like I'd said previously, it was due to some historical occurence and the recognition and emphasis the country places on the founding race of this country.
I see it as racist and unfair to other race.
If Singapore govt wish to support the poor, they should support them base on income group, [b]NOT race![/b]
When I was younger, I cannot comprehend why we sing the National Anthem in Malay. I never understood it at all. I still don't.
The gov does support the poor, each needy student has various avenues for him to go to for handouts. Plus each school has a recycle programme for poor students to reuse old books and good conditioned old uniform.
I get letters each year for my children from my constituency asking me if I needed help with their school fees. My children's scholastic results apparently qualified them for special assistance, assuming I needed them, which I don't.
The Malay school fees thing, is a very unique situation, not to be confused with helping the needy. I believe ALL Malays (rich or poor) have this privilege. -
Originally posted by TidalWave333:
TIdalwave,
Pikamaster writes
Some issues are open for feedback. Issues like foreign policy and defence are [b]not. Were any other ethnic groups consulted for that matter? Besides, the SAF's involvement was not in direct combat.
Terrorist issues in the past few years have demonstrated that Singapore is more pragmatic than anything else. Sensitivity is essential of course, but sometimes, one is left with little choice in realpolitik.
I am not a supporter of the invasion and occupation by the way. But close military ties with the US, sensitivity towards two large Muslim neighbours, national interests make a tricky balance.
Were you hoping the govt would consult and gather feedback from the Malay community BEFORE arresting the 30+ JI members planning to attack here: videotaping Yishun MRT, and preparing maps, and even English voiceovers?
Did you think the Malaysian govt consulted its Malay citizens before they arrested JI members across the border for that matter!?
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There's no need to sound so emotional.
alright, call it youthful idealism if you wish, *yes*, I was hoping for that. THough, of course, I didn't expect that. I mean, our govt isn't very consultative on political issues, believing that such consultation slows down their prized efficiency.
nope, I don't think so. As Experts point out, M'sia is an even mroe authoritarian backwater than SIngapore; backwater in politics, not in economics. But then, as our government likes to say, we don't need to blindly copy other countries around us in any matter. besides, arresting JI Members is different from declaring war against a Muslim Country, just like detaining rebels is different from bankrupting opposition parties through defamation suits.
always gald to be in-conversation,
the Pikamaster -
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Originally posted by burntan:
But this is no different from Malaysia, where the Malays in Malaysia gets preferred treatment as well.
I see it as racist and unfair to other race.
If Singapore govt wish to support the poor, they should support them base on income group, [b]NOT race![/b] -
Malaysia govt provide free education from primary to secondary for all races. In University, all races pay the same fee.Originally posted by Qitai:But this is no different from Malaysia, where the Malays in Malaysia gets preferred treatment as well.
BTW, I don't mean that Malaysia is better than Singapore, I just answer your question.
Malaysia give special concessions to Malay thru NEP. -
pikamaster writes
There's no need to sound so emotional.
Actually, it never occurred to me my remarks sounded emotional. I am not prone to making emotive sentences; in fact I prize reason, intellect and calm above all in public forums. It makes easier and more interesting reading, compared to the flaming, rambling and ill-informed responses one finds in such a medium.
alright, call it youthful idealism if you wish, *yes*, I was hoping for that. THough, of course, I didn't expect that. I mean, our govt isn't very consultative on political issues, believing that such consultation slows down their prized efficiency.
I disagree that Malaysia is authoritarian or a politcal backwater. It's too drastic a generalisation for me, although I will not explain my opinion on this subject here.
Of course the arrest of JI members, and the war in Iraq are different issues ultimately. But as I pointed out earlier, matters of defence, foreign policy and security are really incompatible with public feedback sessions. Both issues (JI and Iraq) belong to one (or all) of the categories. No country conducts a national referendum or consultation session before deciding to take military action. That would eliminate the element of surprise, so crucial in military strategy besides being politically and socially untenable. -
Farhanisha has put his/her view down as a singaporean muslim malay . So people, let's let burntan surmise his views towards it instead of trying to justify this and that.
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Originally posted by TidalWave333:Actually, it never occurred to me my remarks sounded emotional. I am not prone to making emotive sentences; in fact I prize reason, intellect and calm above all in public forums. It makes easier and more interesting reading, compared to the flaming, rambling and ill-informed responses one finds in such a medium.
actually I agree with you, TW.... there weren' t that much emotion in your note, just some relatively objective comments... hmmm???? -
I must say this is very well written.Originally posted by elindra:Errr why should the Malays be poorly treated in Singapore? They are given equal chance and opportunity to excel in whatever they do as the other races in Singapore.
I agree that they have certain benefits which is due to a treaty signed way back in the past, but in all honesty, why would they need special concessions to be on par with the other races when they are equally capable?
I think the Malays here in Singapore are capable enough to stand on their own feet and they have been progressing very well through the years. In my own opinion, giving special concessions will only hinder the process of any race. As humans being humans will abuse it instead of making use of it as a head start.
I don't see "no special concessions" as being treated poorly. How can that be? We, as Singaporeans, though of different races, can run and forge ahead as equals. Isn't that better?
I must emphasize how important not given `special consessions` is to be treated `fairly` rather than to be treated `poorly` -
Originally posted by burntan:
If all things are equal the rich and poor will pay the same amount of tax.
I read from other threads in this forum and find out that people talking about primary school fee.....it is not actually [b]absolutely equal in Singapore right? Correct me if I am wrong.[/b]
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But to be rich or poor is up to an individual......you can't change your race, you are born to be...Originally posted by paperchicken:If all things are equal the rich and poor will pay the same amount of tax. -
i dunno, but i feel that burntan has some motive in creating this topic
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But the rich will pay more tax. Similarly more is done to help the race that needs it. Education is free but they have to in the effort to study. Being better educated will enable them to help themselves. Its not a hand-out or a free lunch.Originally posted by burntan:But to be rich or poor is up to an individual......you can't change your race, you are born to be...
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Whatever it is, nobody is falling for it.Originally posted by skyfoo:i dunno, but i feel that burntan has some motive in creating this topic -
if wanna do..do for all..
one for all , all for one.. -
burntan, may i know u r msia malay or msia chinese?
*no offence from this question.
if u r m'sia malay..do u think m'sia had treat the m'sia chinese fair? or better than the way malay in singapore been treated? -
Re: AboveOriginally posted by paperduck:burntan, may i know u r msia malay or msia chinese?
*no offence from this question.
if u r m'sia malay..do u think m'sia had treat the m'sia chinese fair? or better than the way malay in singapore been treated?
Singapore's population at separation was around 1 million..
If M'sia had treated the m'sias overall fair and a better overall living and more development on KL..none of the talents would have escaped and went to singapore..and most of them went to USA , Australia..
Not a matter of treatment
Some indians, perhaps some malays and chinese who wanted the better "pay"
Now Malaysia has a scheme to pull back those foreign talents..to come back..
not to forget half of our cabinet during seperation period were M'sian Chinese.
Kudos to all M'sian Chinese and some many others..
who rose up to the occasion to help out Singapore during early period.
Basically , what i want to say is that..
There's no such thing as racism in malaysia
-just a matter of priorities for those more important bumiputras
-being a islamic country , it says on the Quran that
God proclaims all Man Are Equal
-Malays are good followers of Islam as well
So therefore , please do not get suayed by any views ok?
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Are you really a malaysian in the first place.Originally posted by burntan:Do you think it is better to be a Malaysian Malay or Singapore Malay?
Recently our former PM (Dr. M) said that Singapore Malay are poor treated, they have no status and no chance to be govt minister, is it true?
I am Malaysian. -
I am Malaysian Chinese living in Kuala Lumpur, Cheras.Originally posted by paperduck:burntan, may i know u r msia malay or msia chinese?
*no offence from this question.
if u r m'sia malay..do u think m'sia had treat the m'sia chinese fair? or better than the way malay in singapore been treated?
Check my IP addresss, it is from Streamyx, TM-net (Telekom ISP).
Hey, I am Malaysian doesn't mean that I am Singaporean's enemy, ok?
Some resistant is expected, but we need a open heart to discuss sensitive issue. -
BTW, an OT question: What is HDB flat? Some of you sound like very proud to own one.....
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What the point of bring up the issue here if most of the people here are Chinese ?Originally posted by burntan:I am Malaysian Chinese living in Kuala Lumpur, Cheras.
Check my IP addresss, it is from Streamyx, TM-net (Telekom ISP).
Hey, I am Malaysian doesn't mean that I am Singaporean's enemy, ok?
Some resistant is expected, but we need a open heart to discuss sensitive issue.
You give people the impression that you are trying to start a bash minority thread here.
The policies of each country is different and formulated to suit its own needs. The circumstances of Malaysian and Singapore is very different. Whats the point of bringing up such a discussion here. I really question your motive.