Question for Singapore Malays
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all my relative live in Cheras..[bao dang]..Originally posted by burntan:I am Malaysian Chinese living in Kuala Lumpur, Cheras.
Check my IP addresss, it is from Streamyx, TM-net (Telekom ISP).
Hey, I am Malaysian doesn't mean that I am Singaporean's enemy, ok?
Some resistant is expected, but we need a open heart to discuss sensitive issue.
i never say malaysia chn is singapore enemy. i study at KL 1/2 before,
alway stay between singapore and malaysia.
so i know malaysia malay had treat malaysia chn quite badly. my auntie open a coffee shop in cheras..the businese is getting harder and harder, just becos the malaysia only take kopi money from chinese shop. my aunty worship them RM1500 every month.. why?
btw im singaporean chinese. -
It started when I read a news from other forum saying that our former PM Dr. M comment on Singaporean Malays living a less fortunate life compare to Malaysian Malay. He also hint that Singaporen Malays are poorly treated in Singapore, which I doubt it. In order to find out if this is really the truth, I start this thread to ask Singaporean Malay.Originally posted by tspg:What the point of bring up the issue here if most of the people here are Chinese ?
You give people the impression that you are trying to start a bash minority thread here.
The policies of each country is different and formulated to suit its own needs. The circumstances of Malaysian and Singapore is very different. Whats the point of bringing up such a discussion here. I really question your motive.
However, along the way I experienced a lot of misunderstand between Singaporean and Malaysian (me), it make me interested to know Singaporean more..... -
I am living in Taman Midah (bao dang) as well.... I don't think if you are doing any proper business here without violate any laws and you need to pay Kopi money every month.Originally posted by paperduck:all my relative live in Cheras..[bao dang]..
i never say malaysia chn is singapore enemy. i study at KL 1/2 before,
alway stay between singapore and malaysia.
so i know malaysia malay had treat malaysia chn quite badly. my auntie open a coffee shop in cheras..the businese is getting harder and harder, just becos the malaysia only take kopi money from chinese shop. my aunty worship them RM1500 every month.. why?
I started a few businesses here as well and I never need to pay any Kopi money to survive. -
i hate only UMNO in malaysia and the kopi money from chinese.
i spend RM200 last month when i visit malaysia, Rm100 for custom , RM100 for road block when they see my singapore ic..
otherwise , i love malaysia like how i love my brother. -
Why you need to pay them? Did you violate any laws?Originally posted by paperduck:i hate only UMNO in malaysia and the kopi money from chinese.
i spend RM200 last month when i visit malaysia, Rm100 for custom , RM100 for road block when they see my singapore ic..
otherwise , i love malaysia like how i love my brother. -
actually i not the person who pay..any uncle pay for me..because i cannot make myself giving money to ppl who wear police uniform.Originally posted by burntan:Why you need to pay them? Did you violate any laws?
i also dont want to to about the money liao.
but i think you question have problem..you mean if i really voilate laws so they have reason to take kopi money ? why dont they send me jail? or ban me from enter malaysia at custom. -
i suspect u really living in malaysia.. if u think only ppl who voilate law will pay kopi money.. save lah.Originally posted by burntan:I am living in Taman Midah (bao dang) as well.... I don't think if you are doing any proper business here without violate any laws and you need to pay Kopi money every month.
I started a few businesses here as well and I never need to pay any Kopi money to survive.
my family in malaysia 3 generation all in decent businese.
*btw stop the subject about me and malaysia . go back to ur topic . -
I mean you can't stop them from accepting kopi money if you keep on offer them kopi money.....Originally posted by paperduck:actually i not the person who pay..any uncle pay for me..because i cannot make myself giving money to ppl who wear police uniform.
i also dont want to to about the money liao.
but i think you question have problem..you mean if i really voilate laws so they have reason to take kopi money ? why dont they send me jail? or ban me from enter malaysia at custom.
If I violate any traffic laws, I usually get "saman" unless I offer them kopi money.... they never dare to ask for it. -
anyway..we can stop the subject between this liao, go back to ur topic u interested.
you must come to singapore to EXP ...from forum, you must understand that forum tok mostly turn abit unfriendly.. we singaporean alway fight in this post also. -
I understand that, I joined forums in Malaysia, US, Taiwan, Hong Kong and now Singapore.... I won't easily get offended.Originally posted by paperduck:anyway..we can stop the subject between this liao, go back to ur topic u interested.
you must come to singapore to EXP ...from forum, you must understand that forum tok mostly turn abit unfriendly.. we singaporean alway fight in this post also. -
Sorry to continue this hor. But I am curious as to why you need to pay up as well.Originally posted by paperduck:i hate only UMNO in malaysia and the kopi money from chinese.
i spend RM200 last month when i visit malaysia, Rm100 for custom , RM100 for road block when they see my singapore ic..
otherwise , i love malaysia like how i love my brother.
My father is a Malaysian and I visit him at least once monthly. Annually, I go to Malaysia at least about 20 times a year to places as far as Terrenganu or even to Thailand once (I don't go JB though).
But I rarely need to pay Kopi $$. Only pay it once or twice when I was caught speeding and wanted the easy way out (And the amount is less than the actual fine if I let them give me the summon). Other than that, never had any problem. -
Housing Development Board. The government body that builds all those wonderful housing for 80%(?) of the population. Ranges from about 80 sqm to 150 sqm (numbers approximate).Originally posted by burntan:BTW, an OT question: What is HDB flat? Some of you sound like very proud to own one.....
Your question on the kopi money is real. It is so strange to me that you've not heard of it. Haven't you heard all the horror stories of how a Malaysian traffic police chase down a Singapore car and insist that the car is speeding? The Singapore driver will either have to settle the case with the Malaysian court or give the dirty cop some money and settle it on the spot (without receipt of course).
How about the point I raised earlier that all retail businesses will have to employ a Malay in the premise?
I think the issue is already very clear, that the Singapore Malays are NOT WORST off that their Malaysian counterparts as claimed by Dr M.
What is true is Malaysian Malays are BETTER TREATED than Malaysian CHINESE!
Personally, I think is strange that you are asking such a question 'cos in my dealings with my Malaysian friends and customers, they are all aware of the difference in treatment between Chinese and Malays there.
It is strange because, according to what you've written, you are a working adult, even starting various businesses, yet your questions seem so naive. -
Errr??? Didn't you just answered your own question???Originally posted by Qitai:Sorry to continue this hor. But I am curious as to why you need to pay up as well.
My father is a Malaysian and I visit him at least once monthly. Annually, I go to Malaysia at least about 20 times a year to places as far as Terrenganu or even to Thailand once (I don't go JB though).
But I rarely need to pay Kopi $$. Only pay it once or twice when I was caught speeding and wanted the easy way out (And the amount is less than the actual fine if I let them give me the summon). Other than that, never had any problem.
Point is, why do you need to pay a cop to let you off for an offence that may be difficult to prove (maybe not in your case, if you admitted to speeding). In many cases, the charges seem too trumped up. -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
Thank you for your answer on the HDB flat...BTW, why is it only for the 80% of the population? Which group will benefit from it?
Housing Development Board. The government body that builds all those wonderful housing for 80%(?) of the population. Ranges from about 80 sqm to 150 sqm (numbers approximate).
Your question on the kopi money is real. It is so strange to me that you've not heard of it. Haven't you heard all the horror stories of how a Malaysian traffic police chase down a Singapore car and insist that the car is speeding? The Singapore driver will either have to settle the case with the Malaysian court or give the dirty cop some money and settle it on the spot (without receipt of course).
How about the point I raised earlier that all retail businesses will have to employ a Malay in the premise?
I think the issue is already very clear, that the Singapore Malays are NOT WORST off that their Malaysian counterparts as claimed by Dr M.
What is true is Malaysian Malays are BETTER TREATED than Malaysian CHINESE!
Personally, I think is strange that you are asking such a question 'cos in my dealings with my Malaysian friends and customers, they are all aware of the difference in treatment between Chinese and Malays there.
It is strange because, according to what you've written, you are a working adult, even starting various businesses, yet your questions seem so naive.
I think you have some misunderstand about Malaysia, it is not true that every retail businesses must employ a Malay in the premise. A lot of Chinese fully owned retail business here in Malaysia without any Malay worker.
BTW, FYI we do not usually get the news about how singaporean being ill treat by Malaysian traffic police, just like Singaporean seldom hear any news about how Malaysian workers suffer in Singaporen Company. -
Why 80%??? Well, my figures are not cast in stone. I think a government website can provide a more accurate figure. Probably 75% +-5%. The rest can afford condominium or private estates.
I am sure you've been to Singapore before, so when you get pass the Causeway you will see some highrise, they are the first blocks of HDB flats you encounter. Those are the Woodlands checkpoint are not that new.
HDB came about because LKY had to tackle the housing issue quickly. It was an affordable way to give the masses a roof over their heads. As it evolves, the housing provided by HDB are categoriesed by 2 rooms (1 bedroom, 1 hall, the kitchen and toilets are obvious). 3 rooms, 4 rooms, 5 rooms (4 and 5 comes with dining room), Executive (4 bedrooms, hall, dining room, maybe balcony) and lastly Maisonette (as executive but two stories). Beyond this, is HUDC, which is a HDB-developed condominum project.
All else for housing are private developments, condos will have tennis courts, swimming pools etc.
Here's not to say that people living in HDB flats cannot afford condos, it is just a matter of choice. My HDB unit is cost more than a condo, but with at least twice the floor space of a similarly priced unit.
Thanks for your clarification on the business situation in Malaysia. Strange that it is different from the views held by my friends and customers.
I think Badawi is fully aware of the corruption along the highways, also strange that you've not heard about it.
Let me state clearly that I enjoy visiting JB and KL. It just that between the corrupt cops and the thugs on the road, sometimes it can be a high risk journey. -
Can you quote us some? It should be interesting. I work in a company that has a major part of the assembly line workers coming in from JB each day. It seems that they are enjoying their job immensely. I also have one colleague who is a high level engineer that commutes from JB each morning. He's always being made fun of because he makes Sing dollars and live in the JB economy.Originally posted by burntan:BTW, FYI we do not usually get the news about how singaporean being ill treat by Malaysian traffic police, just like Singaporean seldom hear any news about how Malaysian workers suffer in Singaporen Company.
The Singapore press (I admit that no press is totally objective) reports on all kinds of abuses Singapore employer makes on their Filipino maids, it would be strange that these newspaper ignores any legitimate claims a Malaysian worker may have about his Singapore employer. One would also imagine that if such abuses are wild spread and genuine, Malaysian workers will be thinking twice about crossing the causeway each day in their motorcycles in rain, sun, dust and jam to work here. One only need to be at the Bukit Timah express each morning and evening to see the number of Malaysian workers working in Singapore. -
Nope. In my case, I did speed. I did intentionally bribe the cop so I actually paid less than what I would have to pay if I accept the fine.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Errr??? Didn't you just answered your own question???
Point is, why do you need to pay a cop to let you off for an offence that may be difficult to prove (maybe not in your case, if you admitted to speeding). In many cases, the charges seem too trumped up. -
Why is it only for the 80%..., very funny question leh. The government build many HDB flats for those who want them. It so happens that 80% of the population want to live there. The rest live in house, condos, apartments... Mind you, HDB is not like those Malaysian subsidised flats. Many HDB flats are better renovated than condos!! What is important to note is that a very high majority, may be like 75% own the flats we live in.Originally posted by burntan:Thank you for your answer on the HDB flat...BTW, why is it only for the 80% of the population? Which group will benefit from it?
I think you have some misunderstand about Malaysia, it is not true that every retail businesses must employ a Malay in the premise. A lot of Chinese fully owned retail business here in Malaysia without any Malay worker.
BTW, FYI we do not usually get the news about how singaporean being ill treat by Malaysian traffic police, just like Singaporean seldom hear any news about how Malaysian workers suffer in Singaporen Company.
Where did you get the news on "how Malaysian workers suffer in Singaporean Company." is that your preassumption or this was published in malaysian papers?? Lets clear this if you think we have misunderstanding about Malaysia!! or we do not get the news!!
I am a singaporean chinese, with many relatives and friends in malaysia. -
Got meh? Not in Batu Pahat where my father stays.Originally posted by Chin Eng:How about the point I raised earlier that all retail businesses will have to employ a Malay in the premise? -
eh abang...never trust what Dr M said....he said Anwar sucked c.o.c.k......do u believe that? if u do, then i have nothing to tell u.........Originally posted by burntan:Do you think it is better to be a Malaysian Malay or Singapore Malay?
Recently our former PM (Dr. M) said that Singapore Malay are poor treated, they have no status and no chance to be govt minister, is it true?
I am Malaysian.
u know, after Abdullah took over the helm and Najib took over as Defence Minister, your Trade Minister Rafidah and Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar suddenly followed the wind direction and stopped their bashing against Singapore......
especially Rafidah..if i see her outside i surely will hatam her until her face becomes pig head......and if i see Hamid outside, i surely will punch him on his left eye...... -
Originally posted by Qitai:Got meh? Not in Batu Pahat where my father stays.
Maybe not in a Chinese dominated town. But go to KL, say KLCC and you will find at least one token Malay in each shop. I was told that there is some kind of requirement (of course, I can be totally out of whack here).
I believe this may not apply to small town shops. I have relatives in Baka Nanak (maybe wrong spelling). Stayed there for holidays as a kid....
The speeding thing... well, too bad you did speed, still a system that accepts bribe is totally wrong. I have friends who swear that they did not speed, yet when a cop turns up accuse you of all sorts of traffic violation, all you need to do is to grease their palm.... -
Yo Lance.... relak lah....Originally posted by 2004Lancer:especially Rafidah..if i see her outside i surely will hatam her until her face becomes pig head......and if i see Hamid outside, i surely will punch him on his left eye......
No need to escalate the cross strait tension... -
Like I said, you don't usually hear anything bad about your country when you are "in" it. Just like most China citizen doesn't know there are people kill in 64 incident.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Where did you get the news on "how Malaysian workers suffer in Singaporean Company." is that your preassumption or this was published in malaysian papers?? Lets clear this if you think we have misunderstanding about Malaysia!! or we do not get the news!!
I am a singaporean chinese, with many relatives and friends in malaysia.
BTW, I am not a representative of Malaysian and I don't plan to act like one. I just trying to answer questions here based on my knowledge and experience. The stories I heard about Malaysian workers in Singapore is thru my relative who work in Singapore and some friend's friend who work in Singapore. They comment that Singaporean are not friendly, they think that they are higher class people compare to Malaysian.
You know what? I experienced something similiar here when some of you start posting how rich Singaporean are compare to Malaysian, where by most of you can buy expensive bangalow here in JB. -
\Do you think it is better to be a Malaysian Malay or Singapore Malay?
Recently our former PM (Dr. M) said that Singapore Malay are poor treated, they have no status and no chance to be govt minister, is it true?\
hi burntan,
i'm a singaporean chinese-malay but i consider myself malay since i was brought up as a malay-muslim.
i think that it is better to be a singaporean. period.
don't get me wrong. i say this because, this is my country and i'm very attached to this place.
about Dr. M's comments. overall, from my experiences growing up, i find that, overall, his comments don't ring true. when i was younger, i used to think that being Chinese means that u would be preferred over Malay to be in e government, hold high positions in e military/ police/etc., get into universities/ polys. but now it seems that race doesnt play such an important role.
wat is more important is ur ability. how good u are. a recent example would be the Malay SAFOS scholar. i used to think e singapore military would never award a Malay such a prestigious award but it happened. and for me, personally, this has sort of opened my eyes to see that race isnt as important as ability. of course, i'm only 21 and a number of older Malays i've come across feel that being Malay means u can never make it big in singapore. but i feel that things are opening up for us.
i hope im not wrong, cause i really love singapore and i'd be really sad if it turns out that those pakciks were right.[/quote] -
Originally posted by burntan:
It is probably true that there are Singaporeans are unfriendly and some Singaporeans may sound proud and boastful when it comes to the issue of wealth and patriotism. For that, may I apologise to you.
Like I said, you don't usually hear anything bad about your country when you are "[b]in" it. Just like most China citizen doesn't know there are people kill in 64 incident.
BTW, I am not a representative of Malaysian and I don't plan to act like one. I just trying to answer questions here based on my knowledge and experience. The stories I heard about Malaysian workers in Singapore is thru my relative who work in Singapore and some friend's friend who work in Singapore. They comment that Singaporean are not friendly, they think that they are higher class people compare to Malaysian.
You know what? I experienced something similiar here when some of you start posting how rich Singaporean are compare to Malaysian, where by most of you can buy expensive bangalow here in JB.
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It is also true that there are Singaporeans buying bungalows in JB.
Unfortunately the thread is about how "badly Singapore Malays are treated compared to Malaysian Malays". All other statements are just by-product of the original topic.
Still, what begs an answer is, how badly are these workers treated, who are their employers, what have they done about it?
If it is the issue of CPF not being returned to them, that's another issue, not related to this thread.