Four on trial for dunking death of soldier
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Whatever, it still involves Indian officers. I have heard horror stories of Indian RSMs, especially those from CDO/GDS background serving in INF units. Tekan people until they can pengz.Originally posted by NathanG5:paiseh hor..its 3 commision officers n 1 warrant officers...
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So what is the meaning of 'ill treatment' in their context?
Isn't that the phase soldiers heard & being explained to during their very first day as a recruit? Isn't there are people in the army they label them as CO or OO? So what are their roles in the army? Are they liable to saying "I donÂ’t know" when some form of propaganda is taking place? Questions & more questions!
Seem like these ppl who are making a living behind those well protected military walls, are mutating into some kind of species nesting in their own dungeon. Call it ‘Military Evil Apocalypse’- the script was already written on the walls long ago:
After failing to survive the dunking incident in Commando Camp, Hu Enhuai never wakes up in the middle of Changi Point, a District of Bondage, now his spirit must pursue justice before ...
The orginal: (RESIDENT EVIL: Apocalypse- After narrowly surviving the lab incident in Raccoon Forest, Alice wakes up in the middle of Raccoon City, a city of the dead, now she must escape before ...) -
why the charging is not murder? why is only donnowat donnowat causing doonowat very bad the men isit i think
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Those B******* should seriously pay full price for their actions. The whole course was an accident waiting to happen. U put a few commandos that think their too hard, in a position to abuse and "torture" trainees, sooner or later someone will die, and in this case, someone did. Torturing the helpless makes one feel powerful,and boosts one's ego. Look and Singaporeans track record of abusing maids. Seriously hope that all responsible will get what they deserve. Not just the 4 trainers, the PSOs as well. If u can't hold the responsibility, dun hold the rank.
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They must all answer, the four ignorant Rambo wannabes, all the way to the CI and CO who claim they never read the TMs and circulars.Do I face the prospect of paying these amatuers with my hard-earned income tax so that they can make one big fatal cock-up and get away with censure and administrative discharge?Send the whole lot to life imprisonment I'd say.Parole after 15 years in prison.Make that as a lesson to those champions of personal power who are still in service.Do not pay lip service to the logos of ISOs and PDS or some SQC certs that lie taped to some nondescript drywall in some CO's office in camps around the island.
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make it 25 years. The longer the better.Originally posted by LazerLordz:They must all answer, the four ignorant Rambo wannabes, all the way to the CI and CO who claim they never read the TMs and circulars.Do I face the prospect of paying these amatuers with my hard-earned income tax so that they can make one big fatal cock-up and get away with censure and administrative discharge? Send the whole lot to life imprisonment I'd say.Parole after 15 years in prison. Make that as a lesson to those champions of personal power who are still in service.Do not pay lip service to the logos of ISOs and PDS or some SQC certs that lie taped to some nondescript drywall in some CO's office in camps around the island. -
The idea of NS is to use it as a deterrence to foreign threats. This is getting out of hand. Your OWN people aren't foreign threats. This isn't quite the first time someone has died while serving in NS due to fucked up incompetitent trainers. I do hope that the govt wakes up their fucking idea and give a better verdict then try to let the whole world forget it after sometime.
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Wah lau eh... still debating! Believe it or not, accuse said:"I'm not train to be a trainer!"????????????
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Screw that bastard lah. If he is not trained as a trainer, why is he deployed as one, then?Originally posted by goatiechat:Wah lau eh... still debating! Believe it or not, accuse said:"I'm not train to be a trainer!"????????????
Extracted from today's Straits Times:Accused 'not sure' if he dunked trainee
I wonder if this jerk is having a moeory lapse. Perhaps h e needs a doctor to examine his head.
A COMMANDO instructor accused of rashly causing the death of Second Sergeant Hu Enhuai, 19, yesterday said he could not say for sure if he had been involved in the dunking which led to the death of the trainee.
But Lieutenant Jeff Ng Chin Fong, 27, said he was certain he did not dunk another trainee, Captain Ho Wan Huo, 26, whose life he is accused of rashly endangering.
Yesterday, Ng, the first of the four accused commandos to take the stand, said he was very sure that none of the trainees he handled on Aug 21 last year had collapsed after being dunked.
Both 2nd Sgt Hu and Capt Ho had collapsed.
Ng said he was sure he did not dunk Capt Ho as when he saw the trainee, the man was already wet and being dragged back to the water tub by another instructor.
Ng said he asked the instructor, Staff Sergeant Ng Chong Chee, who the trainee was and if he had gone through the water phase. Staff Sgt Ng gestured that the trainee was a captain and had already been dunked.
He later found out there was only one trainee holding the rank of captain, he added.
Ng was also sure he did not dunk him as he had been wearing full gloves that day, whereas the instructor Capt Ho said had covered his face had been wearing gloves with the fingers exposed.
He denied that he used his fingers to 'dig' into trainees' mouths and nostrils while they were under water, pointing out the way he dunked soldiers did not allow him to have a free hand to do this.
The tub used in the dunkings of 2nd Sgt Hu and Capt Ho, he said, was introduced because the old way of dunking - trainees lying on their stomach and dunked in a washing bay filled with six inches of water - led to facial injuries.
Like some of the instructors who have been on the stand, Ng also testified that he had never seen the lesson plan for the course. He had asked two warrant officers for it but was told they did not have it.
In fact, said Ng, when Captain Pandiaraj Mayandi, 33 - another of the accused - took over the Commando Training Wing, he asked for all lesson plans to be handed in for an audit. But that one was not among them.
Deputy Public Prosecutor Tan Wee Soon quizzed Ng on whether he had asked the supervising and conducting officers of previous courses for the lesson plan.
'It's not my position to question my superior,' replied Ng.
He disagreed when the DPP pointed out that high-ranking officers said the lesson plan was available and accessible to instructors.
'At that time, this lesson plan was not made available to me. There is a difference between being freely accessible and whether it's available to me.
'If it's not available to me, how can I access it freely?'
The trial continues.
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Sigh... This whole damn propaganda is pointing to only one conclusion:-
CRAPS!!!
Certainly hope that all the bro & sis here care to forward your thoughts to those links from the relevant gov feedback departments on the first article.
Give Mindef a piece of your mind diplomatically. -
Our govt establishments don't have the culture of taking responsibility. All their mistakes, whether fatal or not, would either be swept under the carpet or pushed away.
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Well, let's all makes a guess of the outcome! Even if they decided not to send all those officers to jail, what do you think our people can do? Our government is unlike the western open to public opinion.
People here in Singapore are expected to take whatever we are given walk with the rules & live with whatever we can afford. You break the rules, pay the fine. You over spent, declare bankrupt. Companies bad management, you got retrenched. You got no money, not allow begging!
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An extract from a documented site:
'I think it's almost a rule of political science. The government will always lie about embarrassing matters. And when you are up in the Pentagon a full Colonel and have a chance to make General, and General with the chance to become Chief of Staff, there's as much politics high in the Pentagon as there is in the halls of Congress. And I think that the Army just chose to try and down play the terrible character of Army leadership in 1950.'
It is now nearly 50 years since the end of the conflict in Korea. The only major American investigation into the killing of refugees focused exclusively on the activities of the US Army over a small geographic area during one month of a conflict that lasted three years. Contradicting testimony from veterans and Korean survivors, the report concluded that there was no evidence to suggest that orders to kill civilians were given at No Gun Ri. Clearly there are still many unanswered questions over American involvement in Korea, questions that were not answered by the narrow view of the US Army's investigation. Yet this burden now falls not on those responsible for giving the orders, but on the veterans and survivors alike.
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I think this is going to be forgotten soon and unlikely this case be any serious then the navy incident.
too many incompetent people in the army, we all know it. competent people won't want to be in command, they just want to serve and get the hell out there.
as usual. still many stories go unheard...
i hope all 4 goes to jail for as long as they can give - commanders should be blacklisted too. how come they never check on them? skiving in the office izzit?
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If we look at the history of wars from the 1st, 2nd, Korea, Vietnam, Somalia till the present hell in Iraq. It all started with a political objective which carried so much of promises but only to end in disarray. At the end of the day, the book was closed and left with just another chapter in our history.
For argument sake, simply look at all those wars that American soldiers were involved. Few hundreds of them had perished not just for the so-called 'honor death' for their country but also the incompetent of their commanders.
After activating the button, do you really think the government has a full control and aware of what exactly those commanders were doing in the battlefield?
It has been silent lately & hell nobody knows what's going on with the trial. Craps like illegal download from home users & fare hike or learning Chinese took the front page.
Is that the protocol to erase the momories of people to understand that justice has yet to be fulfilled for the innocence death?
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Seem like this topic is gradually cooling off. Is this what the SAF is hoping for?
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Then we must not let the flame die, for the souls who have lost their lives due to incompetence past and present.Onwards!
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Hi bro & sis,
Anyone has any news about the progress of this case? Seem like going under the carpet. -
Goatie, are you blind? www.channelnewsasia.com/cna/singapore.htm has the scoop.Originally posted by goatiechat:Hi bro & sis,
Anyone has any news about the progress of this case? Seem like going under the carpet. -
Hey Iveco!
Your parent never teach you any basic courtesy?
Please be more Civilise!
No wonder Singapore's Courtesy Campaign has been going on for the past decades & still not completely successful.
Partly because of people like YOU! 
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Goatie, no offence intended.
Even if the Straits Times doesn't have any updates on this case, Channel NewsAsia will have it. Hope these bastards get life terms. -
Hi Iveco,
Is OK. That sound more diplomatic.
A great day ahead! -
Big hoo-ha this one. The trial has been going on for so long now, and a lot of stupid questions and answers are being thrown back and forth.
I bet, at the end of it all, and who knows how much longer this trial will go on, the sentence will probably be much akin to that of a slap on the wrist. Just like the Navy incident.
The bloke who did the dunking should be facing Man Slaughter or Murder. But who knows?
Tough luck on the parents of the deceased.