u never read my above post (6th reply)Originally posted by skyfoo:with 16 replies, nobody knows? then what the use of having the policy of transparency?
typical Singaporean Arrogance. Think we are the best in the world. probably read too much ST propaganda. besides, even if that claim were true, size would be the advantage that WE have.Originally posted by Goondu74:They maybe running larger countries, but are they running them as well as us?
I do agree there is room for improvement here but the fact that issues like window falling and tampines lamppost falling are being addressed shows that the relevant departments are bothered to work on it. In the so called "bigger countries" they would probably ask u to take a number and get back to u 10 years later, that is if they get back to u at all.
And for those who think that running a country is easier than running an MNC, u should get your heads checked! In any corporation, the basic yardstick the CEO is judged on is $$$. They have carte blanche to make any decisions that will bring in money for the company. They will not care how their decisions would affect the workers nor do they want to care. As long as the company is not in the red, nothing else matters.
The ministers on the other hand are in a no win situation. Any decisions they make are bound to upset somebody, they can NEVER please EVERYONE. The trick is to play the majority. Easier said than done.
Its precisely that u are a local student that you dun see why the MOE are labelling u as soft, i used to have the same mentality as you, i made an excuse to leave this place, stayed away for a few years and came back glad to be a singaporean. i never did say we are the best in the world but i wont deny that its not far off.Originally posted by pikamaster:typical Singaporean Arrogance. Think we are the best in the world. probably read too much ST propaganda. besides, even if that claim were true, size would be the advantage that WE have.
Yep, juz like Nicoll Highway...blame here, blame there...why izzit always the citizens who shoulder the blame and responsibility? Really, sometimes this mantra of "personal responsibility" gets out of hand...
I have yet to see an Education Policy that cares for the students by reducing their workload, both physical and mental. As yet, MOE seems to enjoy heaping blame on students for being "soft". ( I'm a school student myself, local in case you are wondering.)
the thoughtful pikamaster
Wah! Ur CME teacher so daring. He's a Civil Servant and he actually ask this kind of questions? Even my CME teacher who is also daring dare not ask such questions. He pretends to be pro-MOE in our class.LOL Thats what he told us.Originally posted by skyfoo:A few days ago, my CME teacher ask our class who knows how much does Lee Hsien Loong, our PM and Finance Minister, earns? Surprisely, no one knows. He doesn't know too. Then, he asked us anyone knows the reasons why LHL wanted to hold both the posts of PM and Finance Minister. Again, the class was silence. He then pointed out that it's because he does not want us(Singaporeans) to know how much we are earning.
So, does anyone knows our PM's salary. If not, Singapore Government practised transparency, right? So, why the PM's salary is not revealed?
Give me 5 good reasons then, and your second sentence still shows the same arrogance you displayed in your previous post.Originally posted by Goondu74:Its precisely that u are a local student that you dun see why the MOE are labelling u as soft, i used to have the same mentality as you, i made an excuse to leave this place, stayed away for a few years and came back glad to be a singaporean. i never did say we are the best in the world but i wont deny that its not far off.
erms... the figure is estimated ard 1 million... there was a much heated debate in sg two years ago arising from an upward adjustment in ministerial wages as one of the highest in the world...Originally posted by skyfoo:A few days ago, my CME teacher ask our class who knows how much does Lee Hsien Loong, our PM and Finance Minister, earns? Surprisely, no one knows. He doesn't know too. Then, he asked us anyone knows the reasons why LHL wanted to hold both the posts of PM and Finance Minister. Again, the class was silence. He then pointed out that it's because he does not want us(Singaporeans) to know how much we are earning.
So, does anyone knows our PM's salary. If not, Singapore Government practised transparency, right? So, why the PM's salary is not revealed?
not sure whats the connection but your post reminds me of my jobOriginally posted by pikamaster:Give me 5 good reasons then, and your second sentence still shows the same arrogance you displayed in your previous post.
The only posssible reason for students here being "soft" I can find is that they are not brave enough to stand up against the Ministry's insults toward them.
Anyway, alot changes in a few years, mainly because you have a different generation. How old r u, btw?
the puzzled pikamaster
we singaporeans have stood up for so many issues, ranging from the highly controversial streaming system to the recent heated debate over the amount of play time schools limit their children to... but since when has the government listened? Despite the countless letters from concerned groups of parents calling for the government to abolish the system of streaming over the years, the furthest the government has gone is to band the EM1 and EM2 stream together, which apparently still doesn't remove the demoralizing labels placed on those in the EM3 stream.Originally posted by pikamaster:Give me 5 good reasons then, and your second sentence still shows the same arrogance you displayed in your previous post.
The only posssible reason for students here being "soft" I can find is that they are not brave enough to stand up against the Ministry's insults toward them.
Anyway, alot changes in a few years, mainly because you have a different generation. How old r u, btw?
the puzzled pikamaster
Please do not mistake pride for arrogance. I am not trying to put down anybody here but dun u think that most of the issues put up are higher issues compared to what some ppl in other countries might never even encounter? E.g. we are all talking about how taxing and heavy our workload are on our students but dun u know that many dun even have the rights to education elsewhere? i am not talking abt some poor old 3rd world country here. Ask your friends from up north, many fail to make it to uni just because of the colour of their skin. Its easy to take for granted the many comforts that we enjoy. We complain abt how costly it is to drive but have u ever been caught in 24-hour jams? or that u were waiting in a bus stop for a bus only to find out that the bus companies are all on a 3-day strike? Do u feel as safe when walking down a street here than elsewhere? Someone lament that our ministers are sending their children abroad, it could just be because that they feel their children are getting too comfortable here? They need them to see that there is still a world out there. I do agree with u that we can still improve in many areas but sometimes the govt have to do what they have to do in order for us to survive. Like i said before i had to go away to realise how fortunate we are. Funnily what i couldnt agree more with u is the fact that u said that we are to weak to stand up to the MOE. A good pakistani friend ever told me that he finds the guys here are like having their balls cut off when they are young albiet tongue in cheek. I am 30, how abt u?Originally posted by pikamaster:Give me 5 good reasons then, and your second sentence still shows the same arrogance you displayed in your previous post.
The only posssible reason for students here being "soft" I can find is that they are not brave enough to stand up against the Ministry's insults toward them.
Anyway, alot changes in a few years, mainly because you have a different generation. How old r u, btw?
the puzzled pikamaster
then wouldn't you consider biased media reports and government statements about opposition to be defamatory tot eh opposition, and have a serious reliablility question as well? If you don't, then you are not being objective at all.Originally posted by runningismylife:simply said, you can't expect the PM's salary to be that of a hawker. being someone who is leading our country, i would generally expect him to be commanding a higher salary than most of us. in anycase, you can't expect LHL to go on TV everymonth and highlight his montly wages can you? it's dumb. salary is meant to be for personal information only. and even though he's in the govt, i'm sure he is limited to his very own personal information.
and btw, i'm sure giving me articles that begins with "http://www.sdp.org" is very much appreciated. i would be damn if any article in it even highlights the pros of the govt. as such, i would deem most articles as this defamatory to the govt, and have a serious reliability question.
I rather read Guardian or BBC.Originally posted by runningismylife:pikamaster.
than you have come to a crossroad in your life. based on what you say The Straits Time too have reliability question.
the question is, will normal singaporean rather read the Straits Time or SDP newsletter?
you could say i'm brainwashed by the government. but the fact that i have food to eat, water to drink shows the efficiency of the government. likewise, why destroy the golden geese?
They cant even run their party properly have can you expect them to run the country efficiently ?Originally posted by pikamaster:I rather read Guardian or BBC.
I think it is a hasty implication to imply that the opposiiton cannot govern efficiently, especially since they have not ruled SIngapore before. Besides, in the 1950s, WP (then Labour Front) did rule rather efficiently under Liim Yew Hock, didn't it? SO don't generalize too fast.
Actually, it would be good to read both to get a more balanced picture of goings-on.
the pikamaster
The issue here is whether our talents who are highly paid are doing a good job, The standards to be set for talents should be: Are our talents or self-proclaimed talents producing a caring governance which is concerned with high costs, divisiveness into elites and subject class or quitters.Originally posted by paperchicken:They cant even run their party properly have can you expect them to run the country efficiently ?
Oh ya. That reminds me. During that period, the minsters of our country justified their pay by saying something that, if you took 2 million SGD and divide by 4 million singaporeans, its roughly around 40 cents per person. Thats kinda cheap. You get high quality government at only 40 cents! Whats there to complain about? On top of that, the ministers have done an extremely good job in running the country and even have surplus to provide you cash top up in your CPF!!! WOW!Originally posted by devoid05:erms... the figure is estimated ard 1 million... there was a much heated debate in sg two years ago arising from an upward adjustment in ministerial wages as one of the highest in the world...
the question to ponder over is whether these ministers were subjected to salary freezes and pay-cuts when a recent recession hit sg...
What the ministers perhaps did not regard as appropriate to work out was: after the civil servants are also paid all the talented pays, (superscale A - G) what would be the per capita cost of governance. Is it still 40 cents.Originally posted by shade343:Oh ya. That reminds me. During that period, the minsters of our country justified their pay by saying something that, if you took 2 million SGD and divide by 4 million singaporeans, its roughly around 40 cents per person. Thats kinda cheap. You get high quality government at only 40 cents! Whats there to complain about? On top of that, the ministers have done an extremely good job in running the country and even have surplus to provide you cash top up in your CPF!!! WOW!
what evidence do you have to support such a claim? The fact that they are not winning more than one GRC in elections? If so, then perhaps you should first check up on electoral fairness in Singapore.Originally posted by paperchicken:They cant even run their party properly have can you expect them to run the country efficiently ?
THink by writing such statements basically tells us your quality.Originally posted by pikamaster:Give me 5 good reasons then, and your second sentence still shows the same arrogance you displayed in your previous post.
The only posssible reason for students here being "soft" I can find is that they are not brave enough to stand up against the Ministry's insults toward them.
Anyway, alot changes in a few years, mainly because you have a different generation. How old r u, btw?
the puzzled pikamaster