Taiwan Angry At Singapore
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Nope... " Taiwan FM says no plan to apologize to Singapore for 'booger' comment"Originally posted by Qitai:They did send an apology to Singapore. There was never a need to apologise to Taiwanese since Taiwanese are not insulted.
Wed Sep 29, 1:29 AM ET Asia - AFP
TAIPEI (AFP) - Taiwan Foreign Minister Chen Tan-sun has said he has no plan to apologize to Singapore for derisively calling the small city-state "a country the size of a booger".
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Chen quickly replied "no" to reporters asking if he plans to extend an apology for his language.
Asked Wednesday whether ties would be damaged, he replied: "It has been taken care of."
Chen sparked an outcry Monday with his description. He was responding to a speech by Singapore Foreign Minister George Yeo at the UN General Assembly, cautioning Taiwan that an independence drive would lead to war with China.
"Even a country the size of a booger brazenly criticized Taiwan and former president Lee Teng-hui in the United Nations (news - web sites)," Chen said in the Taiwanese dialect.
"It was nothing but an effort to embrace China's 'balls', forgive me using such a word... What he said was to try to please China."
Taiwanese legislators criticised the remarks and Singapore called Chen's language intemperate.
"Many other countries also believe that Taiwan is pursuing a dangerous course towards independence," a Singapore statement said.
"Resort to intemperate language cannot assuage these concerns."
Taiwan's foreign ministry spokesman Michel Lu said Chen regretted that his comment had caused "uncomfortable feelings among some people".
"It's not an apology, since Singapore didn't protest or condemn it (Chen's comment). The minister has expressed his regrets," Lu said.
"Singapore understood the situation under which the comment was made after good communication between the two sides," he added.
Beijing views Taiwan as part of its territory awaiting reunification -- by force if necessary -- despite their split in 1949 after a civil war.
they are apologising to the 'cultured' taiwanese who were 'protesting' on our behalf or just to make the their foreign minister looks bad. Since our beloved foreign ministry did not protest against those degrading words used, they see no need to send apologies to singapore. I'm not asking our FM to start any war of words with these taiwanese, as it is a waste of time and tax money. however we should do something 'small' to make known our displeasure. anyway singaporeans should not demand his apologies in the first place, this idiot hate our govt. to the core, how sincere his apology will be? -
i'm not sure if PPP govt. had corrupted ROCAF but from what i've witnessed in ROC during KMT time. their soldiers are pretty well trained, if not better. i understand fully why u have these impression.... ever since PPP take over, ROCAF had been used as 'marketing tools'.Originally posted by reyes:qitai,
whether you taiwanese friends are friendly to you dispite this incident is another issue.
too bad these taiwanese choose this president and party.
it only take one bad bird flu virus to spoilt the whole egg market.
i can understand taiwanese feeling towards UN not able to accept them. but please dont use singapore as a decoy. we are pisai small, true indeed, but economically and militaryly we are no pisai. taiwan has a strongly weapons arsenal true indeed but their quality of soldier and ability to fight a war is truely questionable. i really hope they declare independence and see what china gona do to them from now onwards.
taiwan also pi- sai in the eyes of china!!!
A war in the cross straits have grave consequences, and if we lose ROC as buffer zone, spratley islands will be on their next list of conquest. -
Read my earlier comment. Mr. Chen did not apologize, but Taiwan did.
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er who is representing ROC? it's FM or and any taiwanese? can i insult someone on the street and ask my child to apologize?Originally posted by Qitai:Read my earlier comment. Mr. Chen did not apologize, but Taiwan did. -
no point argue with a dumber......he makes you look more dumb instead
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I wouldn't forgive you, but I will not blame your child or your family for that matter.Originally posted by 5.56:er who is representing ROC? it's FM or and any taiwanese? can i insult someone on the street and ask my child to apologize? -
exactly. there's no point flaming the innocents. since no apologies r given to singapore n singaporeans shouldn't there be acts to show PPP adminstration we r angry n no pushovers.Originally posted by Qitai:I wouldn't forgive you, but I will not blame your child or your family for that matter. -
I would be angry with Mr. Chen but not Taiwan. Taiwan did apologise, Mr. Chen did not.Originally posted by 5.56:exactly. there's no point flaming the innocents. since no apologies r given to singapore n singaporeans shouldn't there be acts to show PPP adminstration we r angry n no pushovers. -
Many people thought that our message made by PM Lee and George Yeo is to carry China's balls. To a certain extend, yes, it does make such effects but our voicing is targeted at USA, not China nor Taiwan.
When PM Lee says "We will not support Taiwan if the war broke off due to Taiwan's independence move", what he meant to say is that Singapore will not allow Uncle Sam to use our facilities here to support Taiwan's defence against China. That is the clear message we want to send to USA, not Taiwan or China.
Here again, we repeated similar thing in UN. The message is clear again, Singapore does not wish to get involved in the Taiwan if it is provoked by Taiwan's independence movement. However, I think George Yeo overdoes it. There is no need to talk about Lee Teng Hui. If only he got the guts to speak out the truth, talk straight, Singapore is not going to allow US to use its base to support a war in Taiwan Straits. Simple, precise and sweet.
Of course I am furious at the snobbish remarks the Taiwan foreign minister has made. Regardless of size or strength, every member of UN has its rights to speak in this international forum of what its views are. Taiwan, technically speaking, is not even a recognised nation, not even a member of UN; it means that it is not even "up to par" to be comparable to a nation like Singapore. Why talk so loud and rude?
As far as we are concerned, we stand proud as an independent nation, despite the little size we have.
On the other hand, I think there is no necessity for George Yeo to engage in such speech. Diplomatically, it is considered as insensitive. We have already done one wrong. Two wrongs don't get one right.
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He is the foreign minister of ROC. Since his statements represent ROC, we cannot ignore such insults. When PRC was pissed with PM Lee's trip to taiwan, many mainland chinese had also throw insults at us. But they weren't from the authority most importantly not from someone who represents PRC in the international arena, there's not much we can do beside flamming each other.Originally posted by Qitai:I would be angry with Mr. Chen but not Taiwan. Taiwan did apologise, Mr. Chen did not.
Instead of addressing terrorism problems in S.E.A, BG Yeo might have made a mistake. Could it be the pressure from PRC that singapore couldn't withstand and was forced to 'carry balls' or the consequences of a cross strait war that will affect our economy n national security even bigger then a 500 kg car bomb setting off in orchard road/shenton way? One thing for sure, current ROC administration is in fact pushing both side towards war. Cross strait war is inevitable if ROC's pro-independence stance keeps hammering PRC's nerve.
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I like Taiwan WWF...chairs, microphone, files, bags etc can be thrown at each other while in parliament. E best part, while sme1 is giving a speech, another just go forward n gve that person a tight slap on e face right in front of e cameras!!!
Thats Taiwan....
N they still hve commericals on TV w Ah Mei asking us to visit Taiwan. HAHAHAHA....I think 10 times b4 deciding if i wan to step my foot on their island. -
5.56 wrote
He is the foreign minister of ROC. Since his statements represent ROC, we cannot ignore such insults.
Agree, if u r holding a position, ur comments r being seen nt as an individual but as e country/ company that u represent. U r nt an ordinary person on e road just giving ur personal views.
So better think twice b4 u open ur big mouth. If nt plp will nt only quote u but oso quote e company n position u r holding. Eg..The President of thatslife company said that ...Bra bra bra -
The statement was made behind closed doors. Its more of a private statement than a public one. We just let the Taiwanese deal with him there's no need for an overeaction from Sg's side.Originally posted by contact_thatslife:5.56 wrote
He is the foreign minister of ROC. Since his statements represent ROC, we cannot ignore such insults.
Agree, if u r holding a position, ur comments r being seen nt as an individual but as e country/ company that u represent. U r nt an ordinary person on e road just giving ur personal views.
So better think twice b4 u open ur big mouth. If nt plp will nt only quote u but oso quote e company n position u r holding. Eg..The President of thatslife company said that ...Bra bra bra
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I would beg to defer on this. The nature of the comment was not made in an official capacity. It was made more of a private nature. I do see differences when it was made as a press release officially where it is an official statement versus a person making a personally statement. From Singapore newspaper it may look like an official statement, but the nature of this speech is that he made the comment in a meeting with Tai Nan people which is then widely cover by the media. This can in no way represent the Taiwan government in anyway.Originally posted by 5.56:He is the foreign minister of ROC. Since his statements represent ROC, we cannot ignore such insults. When PRC was pissed with PM Lee's trip to taiwan, many mainland chinese had also throw insults at us. But they weren't from the authority most importantly not from someone who represents PRC in the international arena, there's not much we can do beside flamming each other.
Instead of addressing terrorism problems in S.E.A, BG Yeo might have made a mistake. Could it be the pressure from PRC that singapore couldn't withstand and was forced to 'carry balls' or the consequences of a cross strait war that will affect our economy n national security even bigger then a 500 kg car bomb setting off in orchard road/shenton way? One thing for sure, current ROC administration is in fact pushing both side towards war. Cross strait war is inevitable if ROC's pro-independence stance keeps hammering PRC's nerve.
As long as ROC remain 'China', PRC has no reason to invade. period.
The only thing I can agree on this is that he is really the worst choice for a foreign affair minister. Also, I do agree Taiwan government sucks. Ah Bian sucks - one of the biggest asshole to hold an important position. The other one who sucks worst is Geogre Bush. -
r u 1 of e spy working 4 taiwan? u must b a v dangerous person.Originally posted by paperchicken:The statement was made behind closed doors. Its more of a private statement than a public one. We just let the Taiwanese deal with him there's no need for an overeaction from Sg's side. 
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that was report in the papers lah. onli china spys and pro china ppl want to see SG and Taiwanese ties worsen because of this incident.Originally posted by contact_thatslife:r u 1 of e spy working 4 taiwan? u must b a v dangerous person. I must quickly contact China...
Most Taiwanese are friendly towards Singapore. We shd ignore wat their FM say. -
What the hell.
Taiwanese protesters burn Singapore flag
TAIPEI - Demonstrators burned Singapore's flag on Friday in southern Taiwan, protesting a recent speech by the south-east Asian nation's foreign minister who warned that Taiwanese independence supporters were risking a war with China.
The small group of protesters lit a fire in a metal barrel and dipped Singapore's red and white flag into the flames while chanting, 'Singapore is an informer' in Kaohsiung, the island's second-biggest city.
Singapore and Taiwan have traditionally had friendly ties. But relations turned chilly after Foreign Affairs Minister George Yeo gave a speech at the United Nations last week that some Taiwanese thought unfairly criticised Taiwan.
Brigadier-General Yeo warned that some Taiwanese groups were pushing for independence and that this would spark a war with China that would drag in other countries.
Beijing's Communist leaders insist that self-ruled Taiwan is part of China. They have threatened to attack if the Taiwanese don't eventually accept Chinese rule.
BG Yeo's speech angered Taiwanese Foreign Minister Mark Chen, who complained that the Singaporean official did not mention how China was threatening Taiwan with hundreds of missiles. The rivals split amid civil war in 1949.
One protester at Friday's flag-burning event accused Singapore of pretending to be sympathetic to Taiwan as it covertly sides with China. 'The government shouldn't let Singapore continue to go back and forth between the two sides and inform on us', the protester, who wasn't identified, told TVBS cable news. -- AP -
I dun see the comments as private statements. He was addressing pro independence representatives of tainan. It made it as 'official' as can be. i wouldn't give a damn if all these words came from the mouth of any legistrator of ROC, but it was from the Foreign Minister Chen's CB mouth in which represent his govt and ROC officially.Originally posted by Qitai:I would beg to defer on this. The nature of the comment was not made in an official capacity. It was made more of a private nature. I do see differences when it was made as a press release officially where it is an official statement versus a person making a personally statement. From Singapore newspaper it may look like an official statement, but the nature of this speech is that he made the comment in a meeting with Tai Nan people which is then widely cover by the media. This can in no way represent the Taiwan government in anyway.
The only thing I can agree on this is that he is really the worst choice for a foreign affair minister. Also, I do agree Taiwan government sucks. Ah Bian sucks - one of the biggest asshole to hold an important position. The other one who sucks worst is Geogre Bush.
I expect more insults to come our way if singapore govt did not do anything about it.
Imagine BG Yeo as a FM calling ROC a place for assholes and CBs during a meeting with his GRC grassroots leaders. -
im not anti-PAP..but it really time for LHL to explain to singaporean.
second thought for return of the taiwan deploy SAF to our so call bee-sai land.
ROC SAF not more safe under the rule of DDP and tai-du ..come back -
Originally posted by paperchicken:
expected.... on the other hand, this could be the only way to prompt singapore govt to wake up and do something.
What the hell.
[b]Taiwanese protesters burn Singapore flag
TAIPEI - Demonstrators burned Singapore's flag on Friday in southern Taiwan, protesting a recent speech by the south-east Asian nation's foreign minister who warned that Taiwanese independence supporters were risking a war with China.
The small group of protesters lit a fire in a metal barrel and dipped Singapore's red and white flag into the flames while chanting, 'Singapore is an informer' in Kaohsiung, the island's second-biggest city.
Singapore and Taiwan have traditionally had friendly ties. But relations turned chilly after Foreign Affairs Minister George Yeo gave a speech at the United Nations last week that some Taiwanese thought unfairly criticised Taiwan.
Brigadier-General Yeo warned that some Taiwanese groups were pushing for independence and that this would spark a war with China that would drag in other countries.
Beijing's Communist leaders insist that self-ruled Taiwan is part of China. They have threatened to attack if the Taiwanese don't eventually accept Chinese rule.
BG Yeo's speech angered Taiwanese Foreign Minister Mark Chen, who complained that the Singaporean official did not mention how China was threatening Taiwan with hundreds of missiles. The rivals split amid civil war in 1949.
One protester at Friday's flag-burning event accused Singapore of pretending to be sympathetic to Taiwan as it covertly sides with China. 'The government shouldn't let Singapore continue to go back and forth between the two sides and inform on us', the protester, who wasn't identified, told TVBS cable news. -- AP
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What can we do? Go to their representative office in S'pore and burnt their flag?
Is it an offence to brunt other countries' flag in Singapore? -
Originally posted by paperchicken:
I thought u ask plp to ignore them, y u still post this burning flag issue?
What the hell.
[b]Taiwanese protesters burn Singapore flag
TAIPEI - Demonstrators burned Singapore's flag on Friday in southern Taiwan, protesting a recent speech by the south-east Asian nation's foreign minister who warned that Taiwanese independence supporters were risking a war with China.
The small group of protesters lit a fire in a metal barrel and dipped Singapore's red and white flag into the flames while chanting, 'Singapore is an informer' in Kaohsiung, the island's second-biggest city.
Singapore and Taiwan have traditionally had friendly ties. But relations turned chilly after Foreign Affairs Minister George Yeo gave a speech at the United Nations last week that some Taiwanese thought unfairly criticised Taiwan.
Brigadier-General Yeo warned that some Taiwanese groups were pushing for independence and that this would spark a war with China that would drag in other countries.
Beijing's Communist leaders insist that self-ruled Taiwan is part of China. They have threatened to attack if the Taiwanese don't eventually accept Chinese rule.
BG Yeo's speech angered Taiwanese Foreign Minister Mark Chen, who complained that the Singaporean official did not mention how China was threatening Taiwan with hundreds of missiles. The rivals split amid civil war in 1949.
One protester at Friday's flag-burning event accused Singapore of pretending to be sympathetic to Taiwan as it covertly sides with China. 'The government shouldn't let Singapore continue to go back and forth between the two sides and inform on us', the protester, who wasn't identified, told TVBS cable news. -- AP
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I tot they stop liao. Now they burn our flag.Originally posted by contact_thatslife:I thought u ask plp to ignore them, y u still post this burning flag issue? -
You don't read any exact war strategy in Sun Sze Art of War as that will be blind following of its tenets or precepts.Originally posted by Qitai:You sure you have read the Sun Sze Art of War? I sure did not read what you wrote.
Creative Technology boss Mr. Sim Wong Hoo will tell you how to "prepare your resources and use your strength and avoid your own weakness and adversity" . The central philosophy of this ancient war strategy is "Know our own strengths and vulnerabilites as thoroughly as your enemies' and you will be able score a hundred victories in a hundred battles."
Singapore's strength lies in its military superiority (in air and sea weaponry) but is surrounded by hostile countries of different religious and racial origins.
It will easily arouse the coalitions of hostile forces to weaken its political as well as social cohesions. To preempt such vulnerabilities, it will be in its long term interests in cultivating people-to-people cultural and technical exchanges.
In this way, it can expand its market and influence to lessen motivation for conflict while subtly using its military for purely defensive purposes. Use the military option as a quiet diplomacy or trump card which once played will leave one exposed to serious repercussions.
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forget it lah... though our national flag is a symbol of our nation, it is, after all, only a piece of cloth.Originally posted by paperchicken:I tot they stop liao. Now they burn our flag.
it is only an insult if we take it as one and truth be told, i cannot be bothered with those hooligans.
why attach more value to an object just because someone chose to use it against u???
since MFA is blissfully silent up till now, i guess that can only mean two things...
1) there are so shocked that they dunno how to respond.
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2) the best thing to do now is to do nothing... they more u respond, the more it will fester and worsen the situation.
truth be told, even if we WERE sucking up to china, i hardly see the problem... diplomacy isn't about friends or enemies... it is about national interests.
why SHOULDN'T we cultivate good relations with china by taking their side on certain issues if it will mean greater economic benefits in the future?
if anything at all, we're on nobody's side... its all about the $$$$$ ...