Taiwan Angry At Singapore
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of coz.....would u?Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:maybe you would like to volunteer for front line duty in case of a war in taiwan -
Originally posted by CX:hmmm... u're the one fantasizing about taiwanese spies and war but i'm the one not in the right frame of mind?
Agreed, u r just a typical siao lan on e road.
national education? i'm not in the habit of taking at face value what my government tells me because i feel that it is the responsibility of a citizen to find out, think and decide for themself what is going on.
N a person without a normal nou to process
i love my country... i don't need to prove that to you. i wear it in my heart, not on my lips. its easy to talk about it... but it is my understanding that the loud ones are usually the ones most likely to cower and piss their pants when called upon to do their duty.
Lets c who is really e one to siam during war time.
if u love your country, u will pray that cooler heads prevails so that the crisis is resolved with minimum bad feelings on both sides... life will go on eventually... if u insist on taking the loud way out, it will just go on with a lot of unease on both sides.
Who is talking out loud? Sme 1 is just taking this flag burning issue too lightly..."Sinagpore flag is just only a piece of cloth"....le Kong he mi?
its not about friends, its not about whose side u're on. Taiwan isn't Sg's friend. China isn't Sg's friend. in diplomacy, u only have one friend and that's your national interest.
N least u use ur nou a little here.
its called jackal diplomacy... piggy back on the position that has the most support and ride on it. right now, the biggest loser isn't Sg... so what side is there to take???
Ya, go under ur bed and koun.....dun need to take sides. -
TAIWAN OUTBURST
BG Yeo 'saddened' by remarks
Says minister didn't have to use such strong language
TAIWAN need not agree with Singapore's views on the cross-strait issue but there was no need for such strong comments, Foreign Minister George Yeo has said.
Responding for the first time to controversial remarks by Taiwanese Foreign Minister Mark Chen, Brigadier-General (NS) Yeo said that Singapore and Taiwan are old friends who had a close relationship and that the recent comments pained and saddened him.
'This recent intemperate outburst is a source of some pain and sadness to us that it should come to this. We could disagree, but there's no need for some of these extreme actions,' he said on Saturday night.
'If it were a small matter, we could have just laughed it off. But it is not a small matter the way some of the pro-independence forces in Taiwan are pushing their way - this will have grave consequences for the future.
'The reason we take an interest in this subject is we have an overriding interest in peaceful cross-strait relations. If they keep pushing, one day there will be war and the whole region will be engulfed.'
He spoke to reporters at a Mid-Autumn Festival dinner organised by the Kembangan-Punggol Citizens' Consultative Committee.
In a Sept 24 speech at the United Nations General Assembly, BG Yeo had urged the international community not to 'allow the deteriorating relationship across the Taiwan Strait to get out of control'.
'The push towards independence by certain groups in Taiwan is most dangerous, because it will lead to war with mainland China and drag in other countries,' he said. 'At stake is the stability of the entire Asia-Pacific region.'
Last Monday, in response to BG Yeo's remarks, Mr Chen sparked an uproar in Taipei by calling Singapore a 'tiny country the size of a piece of dried nasal mucus'.
Mr Chen also accused Singapore of currying favour with China, using Hokkien expletive to make his point.
BG Yeo said he found Mr Chen's words 'a little strange', and that while people who are not Hokkien or Teochew may not understand their colourfulness, the fact that most Singaporeans are Hokkien means 'we can relate to the words and phrases used'.
He said he was 'not so much offended' by it, and that his reaction was 'more one of sorrow than of anger'.
BG Yeo stressed on Saturday that his speech at the UN reflected Singapore's longstanding position, and was not new.
'Because we have a longstanding friendship with Taiwan, we wish them well and we do not want them to have trouble. This is why as a friend of Taiwan and as a friend of China, we take a clear position on the subject of cross-strait relations.
'It is our own position. It is a position we have taken from the beginning and we should continue to hold fast to it,' he said. -- Lim Ruey Yan -
no of course not, i'm not a taiwanese, can't you tell?Originally posted by contact_thatslife:of coz.....would u? 
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Originally posted by paperchicken:
if he's sadden and feels that the remarks are strange, maybe he should consider hiring a new script writer before the next time he is required to speak at the un again
[b]TAIWAN OUTBURST
BG Yeo 'saddened' by remarks
Says minister didn't have to use such strong language
TAIWAN need not agree with Singapore's views on the cross-strait issue but there was no need for such strong comments, Foreign Minister George Yeo has said.
Responding for the first time to controversial remarks by Taiwanese Foreign Minister Mark Chen, Brigadier-General (NS) Yeo said that Singapore and Taiwan are old friends who had a close relationship and that the recent comments pained and saddened him.
'This recent intemperate outburst is a source of some pain and sadness to us that it should come to this. We could disagree, but there's no need for some of these extreme actions,' he said on Saturday night.
'If it were a small matter, we could have just laughed it off. But it is not a small matter the way some of the pro-independence forces in Taiwan are pushing their way - this will have grave consequences for the future.
'The reason we take an interest in this subject is we have an overriding interest in peaceful cross-strait relations. If they keep pushing, one day there will be war and the whole region will be engulfed.'
He spoke to reporters at a Mid-Autumn Festival dinner organised by the Kembangan-Punggol Citizens' Consultative Committee.
In a Sept 24 speech at the United Nations General Assembly, BG Yeo had urged the international community not to 'allow the deteriorating relationship across the Taiwan Strait to get out of control'.
'The push towards independence by certain groups in Taiwan is most dangerous, because it will lead to war with mainland China and drag in other countries,' he said. 'At stake is the stability of the entire Asia-Pacific region.'
Last Monday, in response to BG Yeo's remarks, Mr Chen sparked an uproar in Taipei by calling Singapore a 'tiny country the size of a piece of dried nasal mucus'.
Mr Chen also accused Singapore of currying favour with China, using Hokkien expletive to make his point.
BG Yeo said he found Mr Chen's words 'a little strange', and that while people who are not Hokkien or Teochew may not understand their colourfulness, the fact that most Singaporeans are Hokkien means 'we can relate to the words and phrases used'.
He said he was 'not so much offended' by it, and that his reaction was 'more one of sorrow than of anger'.
BG Yeo stressed on Saturday that his speech at the UN reflected Singapore's longstanding position, and was not new.
'Because we have a longstanding friendship with Taiwan, we wish them well and we do not want them to have trouble. This is why as a friend of Taiwan and as a friend of China, we take a clear position on the subject of cross-strait relations.
'It is our own position. It is a position we have taken from the beginning and we should continue to hold fast to it,' he said. -- Lim Ruey Yan
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What else could one expect from the uncivilised Taiwanese?
And what's that about us being nose droppings?
Isn't Taiwan going to be a nose dropping too if China invades?
A huge scale attack by the massive Chinese army would leave their indepedence craving nation flat and dry. Losers.. -
seiously dunno what u trying to get at...Originally posted by contact_thatslife:
seems like u just wanna make snide remarks and insult other pple...
u're just an ignorant chicken sh|t... bloody waste of time talking to u...
come back and share when u've developed a sense of perspective. -
what's all the commotions about ??
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Taiwan want to make noise...burn stuff...let her lor.
Who cares about a country like her?
She cannot do much except for economic sanctions but that would be detrimental to her as well.
She cannot mobilise any military action because China will make an excuse to attack her.
So my conclusion , Taiwan is just frustrated...so the only thing taiwan can use are words. -
cause u r just being dumb.Originally posted by CX:seiously dunno what u trying to get at...
seems like u just wanna make snide remarks and insult other pple...
u're just an ignorant chicken sh|t... bloody waste of time talking to u...
come back and share when u've developed a sense of perspective.
just only wana insult plp like u n nt others.
u r oso a worthless piece of shit...n is oso a waste of my precious time typing 2 u.
Just make urself disappear n dun ever cme back. -
wt talking u? of coz i can tell, u r just a joker. u r telling me that u r nt a taiwanese by nt supporting them, but ur q is will I support sin if their is a war. Go n refresh!Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:no of course not, i'm not a taiwanese, can't you tell? 
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IMHO... (me a singaporean working in Taiwan)
The comments and subsequent burning of the flag is a measured political move to divert attention from their domestic problems to the international front.
The comments is intentionally made to the press to impress of the southern taiwanese on the frustrations facing the pan green party... ie showing that they are working. The media is in cohoot, as there are few of them there and they choose to deliver it out internationally.
Notice also that in the flag burning protest, there are only about a dozen ppl, ie, nuthead that are so completely brain-washed that they will do anything.
The commoner view is that it is not appopriate for their FM to comment so... and life goes on as usual. All of them laugh it off as a political measured move. -
Originally posted by contact_thatslife:cause u r just being dumb.
just only wana insult plp like u n nt others.
u r oso a worthless piece of shit...n is oso a waste of my precious time typing 2 u.
Just make urself disappear n dun ever cme back. forum u own one ah???
mind your language here... its crystal clear from every perspective that u are deliberately being inflammatory and quarrelsome...
a forum is a place to share diverse views... u state your point through clear, level headed discussion/debate... not through personal attacks and trying to chase dissenting views away.
who the hell do u think u are? -
my question was whether you'll support them in a war with chinaOriginally posted by contact_thatslife:wt talking u? of coz i can tell, u r just a joker. u r telling me that u r nt a taiwanese by nt supporting them, but ur q is will I support sin if their is a war. Go n refresh!
you said you will, whatever your reason was i don't know
but you turned around and asked me whether i would
and my reply was i would not since i'm not a taiwanese and so i'm not inclined in anyway to do so
just explaining since you don't seem to be getting me -
Most people in taiwan know a political maneuver when they see one. This saga is clearly a political diversion of attention from the government and most Taiwanese, at least those I know, just ignore it. Whether singaporean take it as a joke or take it as an insult, to a certain extent, is a measure of political maturity. Lets have a good laughOriginally posted by diggo:IMHO... (me a singaporean working in Taiwan)
The comments and subsequent burning of the flag is a measured political move to divert attention from their domestic problems to the international front.
The comments is intentionally made to the press to impress of the southern taiwanese on the frustrations facing the pan green party... ie showing that they are working. The media is in cohoot, as there are few of them there and they choose to deliver it out internationally.
Notice also that in the flag burning protest, there are only about a dozen ppl, ie, nuthead that are so completely brain-washed that they will do anything.
The commoner view is that it is not appopriate for their FM to comment so... and life goes on as usual. All of them laugh it off as a political measured move. -
Than hw about U? u think u own forum oso wan ar? u think u big fuck ar?Originally posted by CX: forum u own one ah???
mind your language here... its crystal clear from every perspective that u are deliberately being inflammatory and quarrelsome...
a forum is a place to share diverse views... u state your point through clear, level headed discussion/debate... not through personal attacks and trying to chase dissenting views away.
who the hell do u think u are? -
Relax lah ppl. We dun need to fight among ourselves over this.
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I'm a singaporean working in a taiwanese firm and frequent Taipei. I'm shocked that Chen Tang Shan would make such comments about Singapore. However, i felt that his words doesn't represent all of Taiwanese.
Most Taiwanese dun think so...
However there r a minority of Green civilian followers who have been so obsessed with these politics that their actions are so extreme that they have to burn our flag. Who knows if the Taiwan government had bribed them to stage this act so that the attention on the Foreign Monister Chen Tang Shan can be diverted.
Anything could happen in taiwan politics... u never know..
But i just wan to say we should not be angry at Taiwanese just because of 1 silly comment made by the ignorant minister...
If we do... we r just stooping as low as he is....
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hmm.
what taiwan lacks is a good leader?
i don't know.
singapore was the same.
but somehow it got lucky with harry.
so now the situation is not all that bad as we could be in
why does taiwan hate going back to china?
and why does china want taiwan back so eagerly?
maybe they could have a local govt in taiwan, but with ultimate authority in china.
like colonial rule without the exploitation aspect.
china controls the economy and other stuff as important as that.
but the way of life in taiwan remains the same. just be taiwan, not china.
and taiwan would be treated as a separate country if and when the world has to vote for an international issue. that is, china and taiwan has two votes, not just one from central china.
by the gods, i am talking crap again.
pls ignore my stupidity. -
Did ah bian hire gunman to shoot himself also ?Originally posted by shirurinu:I'm a singaporean working in a taiwanese firm and frequent Taipei. I'm shocked that Chen Tang Shan would make such comments about Singapore. However, i felt that his words doesn't represent all of Taiwanese.
Most Taiwanese dun think so...
However there r a minority of Green civilian followers who have been so obsessed with these politics that their actions are so extreme that they have to burn our flag. Who knows if the Taiwan government had bribed them to stage this act so that the attention on the Foreign Monister Chen Tang Shan can be diverted.
Anything could happen in taiwan politics... u never know..
But i just wan to say we should not be angry at Taiwanese just because of 1 silly comment made by the ignorant minister...
If we do... we r just stooping as low as he is....
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Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau were part of China for centuries but unfortunately Hong Kong and Macau were ceded to western powers in the 19th Century when it was a backward country.Originally posted by apollo861:hmm.
what taiwan lacks is a good leader?
i don't know.
singapore was the same.
but somehow it got lucky with harry.
so now the situation is not all that bad as we could be in
why does taiwan hate going back to china?
and why does china want taiwan back so eagerly?
maybe they could have a local govt in taiwan, but with ultimate authority in china.
like colonial rule without the exploitation aspect.
china controls the economy and other stuff as important as that.
but the way of life in taiwan remains the same. just be taiwan, not china.
and taiwan would be treated as a separate country if and when the world has to vote for an international issue. that is, china and taiwan has two votes, not just one from central china.
by the gods, i am talking crap again.
pls ignore my stupidity.
Then in the 2nd world war, Taiwan was colonized but subsequently split off after the war from the mainland due to internal strife i.e. communist party assumed power but did not unify Taiwan which was occupied by escaping forces led by KMT.
International opinions respected this historical unity of China and its policy to regain HK and Macau as well as Taiwan.
Singapore's foreign policy was right in recognizing the one-China policy respected by many countries. There are many countries which given the slightest opportunities would like to see split or independence of Taiwan from China. Anyone of Chinese descend with some retention of root or value of bi-culturalism will know who these countries are.
So, do not get played around by countries hostile to China who will at the slightest opportunity want to split China. Deng Xia Peng was a great leader to have brought about unity with HK and Macau through diplomatic solutions under "One country two system" policy.
Taiwanese perhaps should understand that to re-unify with the mainland is a victory historily and culturally and even economically. Only a weak leader appealing to sectoral interest will see this one-China policy as a negative policy. Taiwanese people should learn to see this larger perspective for themselves - reunification with mainland China is a positive not negative event. They should support this one-China policy which their own leadership cannot see. Clear thinking on this issue by Taiwanese is important Peace will come naturally if there is such clear thinking and acceptance of one_China policy. Other issues and terms of unifications are minor and can be settled from the larger perspective. In fact minor issues can always be resolved given some patience to work things out. After all HK was given 50 years to practise dealing and wheeling so why can't Taiwan ask for time of full unification like HK. -
Hong Kong is "rented" officially (with treaties signed) for 100 years by the British from China in 1897. It was returned in 1997.
Taiwan KMT is a defeated opponent trying to rule China. Communist Mao won. Both claimed to be China since then with the world regconising Taiwan as China mostly in the early years. Taiwan only change their stance after KMT loss control of Taiwan in 1990. Thereafter, the attitude change to one where they are not China. There are many ways to look at the current Sino-Taiwan affair. Only one thing I am sure of. Ah Bian is playing with fire. -
Thanks for a more accurate description of Hong Kong cessation to Imperialist Britain under the guise of rental. History book has been carefully written probably under the influence of western historians. An independent movement in Taiwan will be full of problems for the Chinese themselves and overseas Chinese. Any Chinese should be able to see this as a conflict of Chinese fighting Chinese. A diplomatic solution has been long in coming.Originally posted by Qitai:Hong Kong is "rented" officially (with treaties signed) for 100 years by the British from China in 1897. It was returned in 1997.
Taiwan KMT is a defeated opponent trying to rule China. Communist Mao won. Both claimed to be China since then with the world regconising Taiwan as China mostly in the early years. Taiwan only change their stance after KMT loss control of Taiwan in 1990. Thereafter, the attitude change to one where they are not China. There are many ways to look at the current Sino-Taiwan affair. Only one thing I am sure of. Ah Bian is playing with fire. -
If Goh Meng Seng is in charge wat will he say ?Originally posted by goh meng seng:After hearing clearly what the Taiwan Foreign Minister is saying with his gesture, I cannot believe it at all!
The Taiwan Foreign Minister is just belittling Singapore as a small country like a NOSE DROPPING and using very obscene Hokkien, saying we are carrying the balls/prick of China! "Bo Tong Guo a Lan Pa"!
I wonder how our Foreign Ministry is going to react to this one.
Goh Meng Seng
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I agree! Singapore is really "pi sai"!
Small country but full of arrogant asshole, pi sai also come out when they're walking!