Opposition Party Memebers Here are pathetic
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When the PAP came to power they also did not have prior experience.Originally posted by arburthen?:Yes everything may be intact, but don't forget none of the opposition has ever come to power and none of them knows how to run a government except maybe a ward or two.
Yes that true but the law requires them to listen to the Legislature appointed Executive. When they have been booted out, who will listen to them? Maybe some stalwarts but not the Civil Service, they have the backing of the Law when it comes to this.Only PAP has been the ruling party for last 30 odd years thats means the 84 PAP MPs which you are hoping to boot has the membership support from LTA, MRT, SAF, NEL, SCDF, Police and what not.
If I was the ruling party and I just lost majority power to a political newbie opposition before I leave office I will turn everything upside down. And inform all my supporters to not cooperate and drag their feet on general population issues.
That is your hypothesis but it seems that you have forgotten that when the new incumbent is in power the entire ministries and stat boards report to their new bosses. They need not do everything themselves. Just set out policy directions. The new bosses do not have to re-invent the wheel just make improvements where needed.By the time the opposition figures out how to run a government the term is up and the people by then has had enough of all the blunders and experimentation c ockups from the new government will be begging for my party's return to power.
Are you saying that Singapore is the same as indonesia?Classical case look at indonesia, they didn't want surharto so they brought on in a so call democratic government hoping things would be better, apparently not. In almost 10years they have had 4 governments change hands, civil unrest, another civil war in Acheh, endless riots, ethnic clensing violence and these terroists who were hiding in the shadows now brazenly walk in daylight, need I say more?
The people of indonesia has had enough. And now the they are begging for a military figurehead to return to power as seen in their most recent election.
What basis for comparison do you have?
Do you know how big is Singapore ang how big is Indonesia?
That's OK. you have the right to. i wont hate you for that.
I don't agree with you.
Oh my! that's serious perhaps you should go find out more first.
And frankly I don't think you know what the hell you talking about.
Try to understand how the political system works then continue your posts.
Anyway, the original question is if the opposition come to power can they take over seamlessly. Now it has mutated. My my these days many things mutate not just viruses. and at an alarming rate too!
Thats why I say if opposition want to come to power can they take over seamlessly?
Ask yourself frankly, will they do it? They will not even fight an election on a level playing field. Will they ever do that?
If all the pap ministers just drop everything and walk out tomorrow to go holiday for a year
The finale of your reply shows the unfairness of your reasoning.
can the current opposition able to come in and 'catch it' and continue to run things as though nothing has happened?
"can the current opposition" is what you say now.
The current opposition cannot kcik the PAP out and it cnnot even contest all 84 seats.
The original question was "if the opposition comes into power" this means more than 42 seats must be won.
At the last GE less than 42 seats were contested.
The answer to your final question is of course a "No." -
Now at least you like my buddy.Originally posted by paperchicken:Uncle Goh still ok lah. His buddy really pathetic.
So that makes me think....
i think i can grow to like you. -
by the way the General Elections come every 5 years not 10.Originally posted by arburthen?:None of the opposition here in singapore has so shown me any confidence, if you are willing to gamble next 10years of experimentation with an unknown with no key supporters whatsoever in any current government agencies by all means go ahead vote for whomever you want.
See my answer in previous reply. The Civil Service is duty bound to obey the new government in accordance with the law if that materialises.
Thats what the PAP wants you to believe - trouble and unrest
But know one thing none of the foreign investors will wait that long, the minute they smell trouble or unrest, they will pack up and go.
Foreign investors come from countries and in most countries there has been change of governments and also more level political playing field, elections are nothing scary to them
On the other hand, no need to wait that long given the current economic policies of the present government, some investors have already packed up and left.
That will never happen. The hypothetical scenario of PAP split was first brought out by PM Lee (Senior) then as he was as his view as to when there would be two party Parliament in Singapore.
I on the other hand will be more willing to wait for PAP to split up at least that way the group that splits away still retains semblence of support from various government agencies. And that is something to show for.
You can wait. thats your prerogative. however you will be waiting for a long time because this so called split will never happen because the PAP people will not want to rock their own boat in an attempt to introduce reform. And reform is something which they are very much unwilling to undertake in substance. -
Well said!Totally agree with u....some ppl when they talk,they never tend to use their brain to think.....or maybe,they are undercovered PAP agents try to come in here n talk bullsh*t,who knows.Originally posted by robertteh:The weakening of oppositions can be traced to the following causes:-
(1) Election boundary changes, GRC etc.
(2) Frequent belittling of oppositions by the press.
(3) Activities of oppositions seldom reported.
(4) Goodies or hand-outs during election time.
(5) Defamation suits against opposition members.
Forumites who lamented here about lack of opposition qualities simply have not fully understood the causation factor and probably have been brain washed.
How to solve problems: Practise 7 points of true democracy as posted.
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Not many seem to support your view here.
EmptyCageOriginally posted by JusticeLegal:You people can't even string an argument properly, can't base things on facts and wehn people rebutt you, you all act childishly and attack insignificant points. No wonder we only have a Low Thia Kiang and a Chiam See Tong who are holding on. If you all don't pull up your socks and work logically and for the people...I rather vote for you know who. Oppose for the sake of opposing...check for the sake of checking...damn idiotic. -
you dun need to like me lah.Originally posted by Chia Ti Lik:Now at least you like my buddy.
So that makes me think....
i think i can grow to like you.
Got any ideas just post them up here for discussion. If its good ppl will automatically support. if its bad get ready for the water bombs. -
Ok, if they are pathetic, then what about he who made 'honest mistake'?
No other talents?
Agree that we need political stability and that OPP cannot govern the country. And all we do is close the door and play S-League and think Tampines Rovers are the best. In time, our leaders cannot take on other countries. If PAP wants that, we give it to them. Let them inherit the don't know don't care population who blame them for everything that goes wrong.
We don't really need OPP. Because anything that goes wrong, just kao peh to MP.
As a businessman, why would I want to go against the ruling party? Why can't I just be an obedient citizen because all I want is to make money. If I were to be seen as a trouble-maker, the ISD can come after me. Sound like the Waffen-SS during WWII eh?
I have the following to say to the 2 extreme types of people:
Businessmen who just wanna make money:
Just be pro-govt, whoever may be the govt. Coz some things there were once illegal can be made legal again as long as there is benefits for the govt. Eg. lifting the ban of sale of certain chewing gums in exchange for FTA. As long as we share our profits with the govt, we will live happily ever after.
People who live their dreams and principles:
Pursue your dreams. If you want to govern the country, inherit this population that blames you for everything that don't go their way, by all means. You may be able to change them and make Singapore a better place to live in.
To each his own. There is no right or wrong. You just have to bear the consequences of your actions, and bear it yourself. -
I agree.Originally posted by JusticeLegal:You people can't even string an argument properly, can't base things on facts and wehn people rebutt you, you all act childishly and attack insignificant points. No wonder we only have a Low Thia Kiang and a Chiam See Tong who are holding on. If you all don't pull up your socks and work logically and for the people...I rather vote for you know who. Oppose for the sake of opposing...check for the sake of checking...damn idiotic.