Oppositions DARE to challenge whilst PAP MPS only chor he
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Now i'm the one laughing!!!Originally posted by papertiger:If the alternative is Chia Li Tik and Goh Meng Seng I will laugh even louder.
I was referring to neither GMS or CLT in my post. Pls dun misquote me, or are you trying to blame these two becos of a personal guilty conscience, huh?
Actually, I don't think GMS will make a bad national leader, though he might need to fine-tune WP's ideology a little. But then, all the parties need to rework their ideology to be more inclusive of various social groupings, and that's including the RUling Party which needs a real makeover, not in appearance, but in essence.
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WP also has a CFO called Tan Wee Hwa. He is the treasurer I think. Quite gentlemanly and decent.
When I first met him at the WP's HQ on a Monday, I exclaimed to myself 'Wa! A CFO! The biggest rank next to CEO. Finally at least one opposition party is catching up with PAP'.
Then again, only 1 lawyer and 1 CFO, still far, far from target. Catching up, yes, but from 1% of PAP to 5% of PAP. When can they even reach 50%?
Opposition used to be totally hopeless. Now its 'not so hopeless'. But still, our voters' expectation cannot be too high. If we give this lawyer and CFO, and others, a chance (especially to those who always think of Chiam and Low only when talking about good opposition and cannot imagine further), elect them and maybe WP will be able to produce more of them to hit 50%.
EmptyCageOriginally posted by LazerLordz:We need Low and Chiam's professionalism and tactfulness, but we can take a leaf pout of CSJ's book , esp, with regards to his firebrand passion and never-give-up attitude.JBJ's absence will be sorely missed as he was the only man who could match wits with LKY on a regular basis in Parliament.Singapore is in dire straits, and we need every capable man inside Parliament and we need a major increase in the amount of alternative, workable ideas to be put forward.The Whip prohibits the ruling MPs to speak out even if they feel that certain policies are not the best for the country.Even recently, we have the MIW encouraging people to contribute their views to the nation, but only as PAP MPs.I wonder whether they have gone from country-first in thinking to party-first in actions...
The appointment of Sylvia Lim as the new WP Chief brings hope that professional, educated debate and policy criticism may soon be part of the WP 's repertoire.In fact, we need more professionals and academics to work the ground and be daring enough to be the check and balance we need.You can never trust anyone these days, what more a behemoth who is comfortable where it lies.. -
Nationally, perhaps not. But in an SMC or GRC, yes.Originally posted by paperchicken:do we have an alternative ?
Low Thia Kiang may not be the alternative PM for Singapore, but as the alternative MP for Hougang of Singapore, he as produced a better alternative of running the ward.
Play big, PAP can do better (for now). Play small, WP can do better. So what does it tell you? Will WP's successful management of Hougang mirror Singapore if they have more seats?
EmptyCage -
What brings you to your conclusion about GMS and CTL?Originally posted by papertiger:If the alternative is Chia Li Tik and Goh Meng Seng I will laugh even louder.
That both of them cannot be equal or better than LTK or CST?
What people say in the market? And you just follow? Or a few words here said by them?
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hehe i'm proud to live in an opposition area..PAP has never won in this area as far as i know
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Perhaps Singaporeans are just plain greedy for the handouts the PAP dangles at them to distract them from the issues that plague them daily. Yes, complain about the cost of living, complain about the PAP, complain about not being heard, complain about the GST. Come elections, all the PAP needs to do is tell them they'll be given more baby bonuses, lower maid levy, tax rebates, cushy seats on buses, sheltered carparks, more COE, etc and pow! Guess who's back with the majority of the seats again. Then when all the 'excitement' dies down, suddenly the GST goes from 4% to 6%, more taxation comes along and back they go with the griping, swearing they'll vote the opposition come the next election ...Originally posted by pikamaster:Given that so many people dislike the govt, it is surprising that they are still "voted" for, or perhaps it has something to do with walkovers...
the irate pikamaster
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Unfortunately, greed is indeed a national problem, in fact I believe it is the basis for kiasuism as well. But anyway, the issue of walkovers is real, and not merely a figment of fantasy. And of course, your little posting shows something else on the flipside: PAP gets power not because of vision or true skill, they merely get it by emotional appeal.Originally posted by czechmate:Perhaps Singaporeans are just plain greedy for the handouts the PAP dangles at them to distract them from the issues that plague them daily. Yes, complain about the cost of living, complain about the PAP, complain about not being heard, complain about the GST. Come elections, all the PAP needs to do is tell them they'll be given more baby bonuses, lower maid levy, tax rebates, cushy seats on buses, sheltered carparks, more COE, etc and pow! Guess who's back with the majority of the seats again. Then when all the 'excitement' dies down, suddenly the GST goes from 4% to 6%, more taxation comes along and back they go with the griping, swearing they'll vote the opposition come the next election ... ... deja vu
the pikamaster -
I don't understand the topic of this thread. Err...what is 'chor he'?
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glad to know opposition has learnt much from previous election. i think the next election will see opposition do better. personally i wish to see a opposition win a GRC. on the average oposition should have the vote of around 40% or thereabout from the past few election with the exception of last election due to $%$^% of CSJ. that means 4 out of 10 singaporean.
i do agree we need more oppositions voices rather than puppet voices appointed by PAP. it been quite a while since the last PAP MPs voices their disagreement with the minister inside on parliament. im sure those disagreement which we hear last year was just a show and MP lili are given big backlash by PM goh.
im been true opposition supporter since my eligible to vote.
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by the way who is slyvia lim u all mention?
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Hey you are here!Originally posted by papertiger:If the alternative is Chia Li Tik and Goh Meng Seng I will laugh even louder.
Well it is good that you are now thinking of how to change your country.
How you think about me does not really matter.
If I am so concerned about how people think, i wont have joined the WP.
Don't you agree?
by the way you got my name wrong. but its ok.
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Sylvia Lim is Workers' Party Chairperson. More profile of Workers' Party CEC members could be found at the following link:
http://www.wp.org.sg/party/officials.htm
Goh Meng SengOriginally posted by reyes:by the way who is slyvia lim u all mention? -
That would be if he is willing to stand for elections AND somebody wants to field him AND he is willing to reveal his identity.Originally posted by Qitai:I rather vote for papertiger
Come on man he is not going to Write "Papertiger" on the name column on his nomination papers after all right? -
Hey we have another challenger!Originally posted by paperchicken:are you a liar or a lawyer ?
why is it that you are asking that question? Or are you making a statement? Much depends on it.
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Dear Paperchicken,Originally posted by paperchicken:I think Sylvia Lim will win if she run in an SMC.
Do you seriously think that other than Potong Pasir and Hougang, anyone could ever win in any SMC?
This has been actively debated among my comrades. I hole the view that no one would be able to win any SMC other than those previously won 10 or 20 years ago.
In strategic terms, these SMCs are considered as "killing field". PAP is too eager to put up strangle hold on their monopoly power and they are not here to make sure that there are enough SMCs for opposition parties to contest, but rather, to divert opposition parties' efforts into a battlefield that they could never win.
How do it? It is pretty simple. PAP made a mistake back in 1991 to have SMCs up for snatch without much considerations. Later, they are smarter, introducing elected Presidency. The elected Presidency scheme was an effort for data collection, on the voting patterns of Singaporeans based on "proxy opposition". That is why they set "high" standards to deter any credible threat from any opposition members in this contest. They fielded both trusted candidates of their own, though one is viewed as "PAP man" as the other long serving civil servant.
Why the need for such data collection? This is basically to make it easier for boundaries to be redrawn, to exact precision, carving out areas stipulated as "killing field"; ie. where support for the PAP man is so great that it is not possible for any opposition contestor to win. Of course, the common practice of dissolving "danger zones" still exist; eg. like Cheng San, Eunos, Anson, Bukit Gombak... etc etc.
Many opposition parties are too "practical" and think they could possibly win a SMC. These are misguided views. These are the exact places whereby PAP wants you to be there, so they could concentrate their firepower with a proxy known advantage of support on the ground!
On the contrary, I think it is much easier for opposition parties to win GRC, provided they could come up with elements that could sway the middle ground. This is especially so when the past "stronghold" of PAP has been averaged out by various absorption of "danger zones". To make it "safer them, they actually split ChengSan into three pieces so to be absorbed by three different GRCs, namely, Aljunied, Pungol Pasir Ris and Ang Mo Kio GRC. This is to say that they are not confident about the ability of any of these three GRCs to absord Chengsan as a whole. It reveals the vulnerability of their GRC system.
Thus, I think for the next general election, if there isn't any big changes, opposition could possibly win one GRC. As for SMC, I am not that optimistic that any opposition party could break through the two seats we have at present.
However, there is a catch here. PAP may choose to have a Presidential election first, before holding the GE. The reason, as given, is for sharpening up the precision of data collection. After one decade, due to movements on the ground, the spread could be very different right now. I think they will play safe and call a Presidential election first.
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Opposition has limited resources. Its better to concentrate on SMC before they get stronger to move on. Winning an election is not just about having the chance to speak in parliament. More importantly they must be able to take care of the residents. There's no point in winning a GRC and getting boot out in the next election. Public confidence in the opposition will be seriously eroded in the long run.
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What you say make sense. Re: limited resources and SMC.Originally posted by paperchicken:Opposition has limited resources. Its better to concentrate on SMC before they get stronger to move on. Winning an election is not just about having the chance to speak in parliament. More importantly they must be able to take care of the residents. There's no point in winning a GRC and getting boot out in the next election. Public confidence in the opposition will be seriously eroded in the long run.
However, WP already has one SMC. So it make sense to move to a GRC
Other than the 2 other opposition SMCs, there is no guarantee the PAP SMCs will stay. Heck no one knows whether the opposition SMCs will stay! PAP may finally change their mind to get rid of Hougang and PP in the next GE.
I am helping WP at the grassroots. And if WP win a GRC, I for one will bleed to ensure it keeps the GRC for at least 2 GE.
EmptyCage