What your opinion of the death penalty ?
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snip off his didiOriginally posted by paperchicken:Who is more sadist than me ? How shd we deal with rapist ?
then take him on parade
finally let him die in shame
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Cut off his 5-foot long sausage and stuff it up his ( Y ).Originally posted by paperchicken:Who is more sadist than me ? How shd we deal with rapist ?
But what if his stomach got opening on the side? Like that we got problem liao. -
Think Centre Calls for a moratorium on Death Penalty
read more abt it here :
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Only when proven without a doubt should one be given death penalty.
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cane the sausage
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People makes mistakes except for a minority of saints or potential criminals. God forgives. So nations should understand why God forgives and try to give people a chance.
By not recognizing this fact that to err is human and instead by emphasising too much on punishment to fit crimes or severity of crimes, we will be punishing or holding out possibility of punishing the majority just to overcome the wilfulness of the minority. This state of the mind seems to be antiquated or primitive.
It is a bit paranoid to equal might with might and tooth for tooth and eye for eye.
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As I used to be a practising lawyer once and a victim of crime myself, AND one who still has a morbid interest in what goes on in our courts, I have come to the conclusion that the reason our crime rates are considerably lower than other countries is due to a few contributing factors.
1. We have stringent laws (not unlike other ASEAN), and;
2. (more importantly) A police force that has the ability and support to enforce those laws -
3. We're a tiny tiny country. It's much easier to govern a tiny city state, than, say even a country the size of Malaysia (which is still relatively small when compared to other nations)
Singapore has always taken a tough stance against crime. We're a tiny nation, as far as possible, our policies have always been aimed at making things work. We'll adopt best practices from all over the world, and we make no apologies for doing so.
Contrary to popular belief - All our criminal laws are aimed at trying to uncover the truth of what happened.
Sylvia Lim came up with some interesting proposals:-Setting a maximum time limit beyond which an arrested person must be given access to counsel in the course of police investigations;
There really is no need for this. It is extremely rare for the accused to be denied counsel for that long a time. Even if the accused is denied access to counsel for a considerable time, the counsel is always given sufficient time to prepare a defence. The CPC is also clear on the rules governing the acquiring of evidence and of what the police can or cannot release to the defense lawyers.
I think one has to remember that if a guilty accused is given access to counsel there is always a chance for him to destroy evidence/warn accomplices etc. Inversely, if one is truly innocent, the delay in getting access to counsel does not in any way jeopardise his case.
This is an example of how our laws allow us to get to the truth of matters.Oral confessions to police should not be admissible;
Admissibility does not mean it cannot be disputed and rejected.
Here's a typical situation - Uniformed officers arrive at a shopping centre to arrest a shoplifter, called Bob. When the boys in blue ask why he did that, Bob says that he just thought he wouldn't get caught. They bring him back to the lock up. As he waits for the Investigating officer to attend to him, the gears in his head start turning and he crafts a plan to deny everything.
When the IO finally sees him for his side of the story, Bob goes on about how he was mistaken, that he did not mean to take the stuff out of the shop, he was the victim of gung ho shop security etc.
All other evidence all seem to support his contention that he is innocent, he has no prior record, the security officers were indeed the gung ho sort etc
At this point, Bob's simple answer to the arresting officers can be used to show the guilt.· Further facilitating remand inmates to assist their lawyers in preparing their defences e.g. making phone calls to his lawyer, family members and witnesses;
I don't think counsel has any problems in this area. Actually, this is grounds for appeal if indeed it has occured and hampered the defence.If the presumptions against the accused in laws such as the Misuse of Drugs Act are retained, the standard of proof required from the accused be lowered e.g. to one of casting a reasonable doubt.
Semantics. The moment a reasonble doubt is cast, the scale is already tipped in favour of the accused (i.e. on a balance of probability, the accused is to be believed)
What about the DP?
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Bamboozler, are you from Young PAP forum? I saw a similar nick there.
I agree with you that our tough stand has brought dwon overall crime rates. It is comparable with Scandinavian figures. But I wish to point out that while Scandinavia has done away with capital punishment, the crime rates did not rise significantly. The USA, on the other hand, retains capital punishment (G. W. Bush's home state has the highest execution rate nationwide) but still has a crime rate comparable with that of Kuala Lumpur. How is this so? -
There's a Young PAP forum?Originally posted by iveco:Bamboozler, are you from Young PAP forum? I saw a similar nick there.
I agree with you that our tough stand has brought dwon overall crime rates. It is comparable with Scandinavian figures. But I wish to point out that while Scandinavia has done away with capital punishment, the crime rates did not rise significantly. The USA, on the other hand, retains capital punishment (G. W. Bush's home state has the highest execution rate nationwide) but still has a crime rate comparable with that of Kuala Lumpur. How is this so?
Do I have to be young to get in ... I might not qualify.
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whatever it is, this is NOT FAIR!!! in Singapore, most kena hung for murder.....BUT this stupid ANG MO GAO (gan jeo tao) was promised jail term if he was allowed to be extradited.......
i suggest the court policemen while escorting him, pretend to lose grab of him and accidentally push him into the winding Upper Cross Street and let me run over him with a Mitsubishi Tipper Truck..... -
And I will smash your Mitsubishi Fuso with a 3-axle Volvo Olympian DD bus.Originally posted by 2004Lancer:whatever it is, this is NOT FAIR!!! in Singapore, most kena hung for murder.....BUT this stupid ANG MO GAO (gan jeo tao) was promised jail term if he was allowed to be extradited.......
i suggest the court policemen while escorting him, pretend to lose grab of him and accidentally push him into the winding Upper Cross Street and let me run over him with a Mitsubishi Tipper Truck..... We could have dealt with Mike McCrea much earlier had we gone the way of Sweden before he committed those gruesome acts.
Swedish culture rules. From VO3X to parliamentary system, they outclass us completely. -
Attempted murder will not lead to death penalty.
Manslaughter will not lead to death penalty.
Possession of firearms will not lead to death penalty.
Treason, murder and drugs trafficking will lead to death penalty.
Use of firearms as a threat to rob, kidnap and commit crimes will lead to death penalty.
Manslaughter is categorized under two sections:
A) Voluntarily manslaughter. (Note: This is only applicable to people who are mentally unsound)
- Acts of aggression causing death without planning is voluntarily manslaughter, usually for punishing the victims with beatings etc and thus leading to death.
B) Involuntarily manslaughter.
- Causing death of another due to retaliation, self-defence, or negligence, at work, during play, while driving or other possible scenarios.
Treason is a crime categorized under the following:
A) Divulging military, political secrets or information that will hold the nation at risk is considered treason. -
Its very cold out there, good for the vikings but singaporean not used to. It is very hot and humid right here, we like it but not the vikings. We have "angmoh" and now with the vikings we have the "Kim moh", but we are still "or moh", dye dye will still be "or moh".Originally posted by iveco:And I will smash your Mitsubishi Fuso with a 3-axle Volvo Olympian DD bus. We could have dealt with Mike McCrea much earlier had we gone the way of Sweden before he committed those gruesome acts.
Swedish culture rules. From VO3X to parliamentary system, they outclass us completely. -
Btw are the organs of the condemned prisoners used in transplants me curious. Anybody know ?
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Fred West and Harry Shipman never saw out their permanent life sentences. They were so tormented by the spirits of their victims that they committed suicide in jail. The same treatment should have been given to Anthony Ler and Mike McCrea long ago.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Its very cold out there, good for the vikings but singaporean not used to. It is very hot and humid right here, we like it but not the vikings. We have "angmoh" and now with the vikings we have the "Kim moh", but we are still "or moh", dye dye will still be "or moh".
If the organs are still healthy and have been pledged to the MoH, then i believe they can be used.Originally posted by paperchicken:Btw are the organs of the condemned prisoners used in transplants me curious. Anybody know ?