Palestine Vs Israel - who do you support?
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We had heard so many of Palestinian- israeli clashes. Suicide bombers one side , killers of young girls and boys on the other. Iveco seem to want to talk about it , so I dedicate the thread to his cause
. No offense Iveco .
Some of us know Singapore cannot support Palestine because of the past help the Israelis rended us for their assistance in creating an army for Singapore. I feel it is neither the israelis nor palestinians fault that they are at constant logger heads.
The fault lies with colonial britain . Colonial Britain promised the jews a homeland and on the other hand promised the palestinians independence. So with the double deals , we see frequent bloodshed on the holy land of christians and jews. Not forgetting the muslims also have some ties to some places in israel in their religion.
The way I see it. Either one of the nations will have to move out sooner or later to a new land. I think the british should carve up a sovereign land equivalent to the land lost in the middle east and resettle one of these people so that everyone can have peace and terrorists no excuses.
Ridiculous? No . The british have played around with people of native lands and they deserve to pay. I don't want to see scotland /wales/northern ireland carved up because those lands were taken from the welsh /scots/irish themselves . I want to see mainland england - carved up for the past wrong doings they have done to these people - israelis and palestinians alike. Maybe the half of england will do nicely for the whole population of palestine or israel.
If the brits are not happy - they can always go to australia and new zealand . See how much their past colonial power will hold them in stead.
Japan had to pay for their atrocities , so did the germans . I don't see why the brits shouldn't pay at all for those ghastly atrocities they caused by a doublehand they dealt to the jews and the palestinians. Two innocent ethnic groups who became a bane of all through the bloodshed . The children of israel and palestine who died . -
I support Palestine all the way...to the bitter end.
By the way, why carve up the English Midlands? What about the northern counties? Lancashire, Yorkshire & Northumbria can be detached from London's control. Don't forget the powerful English football teams come from the north of the country. Let's see how the English Premiership survives without Liverpool & Newcastle.
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Let's just make it easy for the brits and take the whole of midlands for either one of these people .....so they stay divided ...like how they assisted in dividing the lands between the israelis and the palestinians.Originally posted by iveco:I support Palestine all the way...to the bitter end.
By the way, why carve up the English Midlands? What about the northern counties? Lancashire, Yorkshire & Northumbria can be detached from London's control. Don't forget the powerful English football teams come from the north of the country. Let's see how the English Premiership survives without Liverpool & Newcastle. -
If it were north korea vs south korea, if it were china vs taiwan or myanmmar vs thailand, we can all pitch in to say something and take sides.
But his thing with Palestine vs Israel I don't want to take sides. Especially neither do I want to talk abt the road map.
everybody who has ever been involved, voted or commented on it has been cursed from day 1. They have had record endless natural calamities. I'm rather superstitious but I don't think what god has purposely put together was meant to be seperated by man. I dont think he wants to see his promise land physically split in 2 with a wall by busybodies.
I say lets mind our own business and leave the israeli's and palestinens to fight it out until they find their own balance. -
NONE, both is wrong..
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re: FYMK
sorry to say that...israel and palestine pple wont move out..
In Jew's Torah, equivalent of the bible, it was said that abraham was promised by God...to be given the land of palestine...for his descendants..
Even if you offer them land to move...they definitely won't move..
Descendants of Abramhams = Jewish and Palestinians...
Not as easy as you thought but nice try -
Well I was offering a theorectical solution. The british were the ones who caused these problems of playing around with demarcation of people's land and promising one while promising the other with the same thing.
I just feel so sad for the poor palestinian and israeli children who got caught in this bloodshed . It will end once they both finish wiping their future generations apart . -
i say put arafat and his cronies (which include all the braindeaths who are Islamic Jihad and whatever Jihad morons) in a steel cage...
with Sharon and all his hardline maniacs...
let them sort it out WWE style...
and last one standing gets machinegunned... -
"I am not Mr. Chairman. I am His Excellency, the President of Palestine."
- Yasser Arafat, Chairman of the P.L.O., in response to a greeting by Swedish Prime Minister Carl Bildt (JerusalemPost, 17 December 1993)
"Kill a settler every day.... Shoot at settlers everywhere.... Woe to you if you let them reach their homes safely or travel safely on the roads.... I want you to kill as many settlers as possible.... Do not pay attention to what I say to the media, the television or public appearances. Pay attention only to the written instructions that you receive from me."
- Yasser Arafat, addressing his people at a public event, July 2001
"I am ready to kill for the sake of my cause; wouldn't I lie for it?"
- Yasser Arafat
"We with the help of God will meet next time in Jerusalem, because we are fighting in order to bring the victory to our prophets, every baby, every child, every man, every woman, and every older person, and all the youngsters, we will sacrifice ourselves for our holy places, and we will establish the guard on them, and are prepared to give 70 of our martyrs for every martyr of theirs in this campaign, because this is our holy land. We will continue to fight..."
- Yasser Arafat, 18 December 2001, in a speech in Ramallah (reported in Ma'ariv,) two days after his "historical" speech, in which he called--in Arabic (under European pressure)--for an end to suicide bombings and for a Palestinian state living side by side with Israel
"There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, a local Arab leader, to the Peel Commission, 1937
"Palestine was part of the Province of Syria... politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity."
- The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted this in a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947
"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."
- Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, to the UN Security Council
"You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian People, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people."
- Syrian President Hafez Assad to PLO leader Yassir Arafat.
"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity.... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel."
- Zuheir Muhsin, late Military Department head of the PLO and member of its Executive Council (Dutch daily Trouw, March 1977)
"The interesting thing about "Palestinians" is that so few of the West Bank Arabs thought of themselves as such before 1967. It post-dates the founding of the PLO: Palestine had a national liberation movement before it had a nationality. Likewise, because the Arab League designated Yasser Arafat as a head of state, we've spent 30 years trying to create a state for him to be head of. Most Arab nationalities -- "Jordanian," "Iraqi" -- were invented by the British Colonial Office in the Twenties, and, although those languid Etonians came up with some evocative and colourful names for their hastily concocted jurisdictions, for the most part they're comprehensive failures as nation states. It hardly seems worth adding another bogus polity to the list."
- Mark Steyn, National Post, April 4, 2002
"The Oslo accords were a Trojan Horse; the strategic goal is the liberation of Palestine from the [Jordan] river to the [Mediterranean] sea"
- Faysal Al-Husseini, Palestinian Authority Minister for Jerusalem Affairs, in his last interview, 'Al-Arabi' daily newspaper (Egypt), June 24, 2001
"This is Palestine from the (Jordan) river to the Mediterranean sea, from Rosh Hanikra to Rafah (in Gaza). The gap between Palestinian expectations and the Israeli conspiracy will inevitably lead to a collision."
- "Our Position" issued by Yasser Arafat's Fatah faction of the PLO in PA newspaper AL HAYAT AL-JADEEDA, Dec. 19, 1998 -
"The Land of Muslim Palestine is a single unit which cannot be divided. There is no difference between Haifa and Shechem (Nablus), between Lod and Ramallah, and between Jerusalem and Nazareth . . . the land of Palestine is sacred waqf land for the benefit of all Muslims, east and west. No one has the right to divide it or give up any of it. The liberation of Palestine is obligatory for all the Islamic nations and not only for the Palestinian nation."
- Prayer sermon broadcast live on the PA radio station, April 30, 1999
"According to the Phased Plan, we will establish a Palestinian state on any part of Palestine that the enemy will retreat from. The Palestinian state will be a stage in our prolonged struggle for the liberation of Palestine on all of its territories."
- Abu Iyad, Arafat' s second-in-command, 1988
"After the Palestinian state wins recognition from most of the nations of the world, as expected, the Israeli presence on Palestinian lands will become illegal and we will fight this with weapons. The battle against the Israeli forces is a right reserved to us."
- Farouk Radoumi, head of the PLO's diplomatic desk, in PA newspaper, AL HAYAT AL-JADEEDA, October 15, l998
"The people are in great need of a 'myth' to fill their consciousness and imagination...."
- Musa Alami, 1948
"Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees... while it is we who made them leave.... We brought disaster upon ... Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave.... We have rendered them dispossessed.... We have accustomed them to begging.... We have participated in lowering their moral and social level.... Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon ... men, women and children--all this in the service of political purposes...."
- Khaled Al-Azm, Syria's Prime Minister after the 1948 war
"Since 1948 Arab leaders have approached the Palestine problem in an irresponsible manner.... they have used the Palestine people for selfish political purposes. This is ridiculous and, I could say, even criminal."
- King Hussein of Jordan, 1960
"The nations of western Europe condemned Israel's position despite their guarantee of her security.... They understood that ... their dependence upon sources of energy precluded their allowing themselves to incur Arab wrath."
- Al-Haytham Al-Ayubi, Arab Palestinian military strategist, 1974
"Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Americans who are like them."
- Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, member of the Palestinian Fatwa Council
"Palestine has never existed... as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture.... There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians.... Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.... Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today.... No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough."
- from "Myths of the Middle East", Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, WorldNetDaily.Com, 11 October 2000
"The conclusion I drew is that in fact he [Arafat] really can't do a permanent deal. He could never do better than what Clinton put on the table [the bridging proposals presented at the end of December], and he couldn't accept that."
- Dennis Ross, June 22, 2001
"We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children.... We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."
- Golda Meir -
Have you all ever considered that Singapore was a lazy island with lazy natives minding their own business until boatloads of China-people came to settle in this place and turned it into a Chinatown ????
How do you think the Natives feel ??????
Damn lucky the natives did not turn to Suicide bombing to drive out the China people........Today the Chinese are majority in Singapore.......and they talk as if Singapore belonged to them from the begining.............
How do you think the Natives feel ????? -
\Originally posted by idwar:Have you all ever considered that Singapore was a lazy island with lazy natives minding their own business until boatloads of China-people came to settle in this place and turned it into a Chinatown ????
How do you think the Natives feel ??????
Damn lucky the natives did not turn to Suicide bombing to drive out the China people........Today the Chinese are majority in Singapore.......and they talk as if Singapore belonged to them from the begining.............
How do you think the Natives feel ?????
heh =D
they can always go back to other places which has more and special welfare for them..
Just like palestinians who can always go back to jordan,syria -
It wasn't the China peeple who came to Singapore and took it over as their own. It was the British (again) who claimed our island for their Queen. Like Israel/Palestine or India/Pakistan, they did the famous partition thingy with Singapore/Malaysia.Originally posted by idwar:Have you all ever considered that Singapore was a lazy island with lazy natives minding their own business until boatloads of China-people came to settle in this place and turned it into a Chinatown ????
How do you think the Natives feel ??????
Damn lucky the natives did not turn to Suicide bombing to drive out the China people........Today the Chinese are majority in Singapore.......and they talk as if Singapore belonged to them from the begining.............
How do you think the Natives feel ????? -
I agree with this quote.It's sounds sane and holds hope for the futre, albeit a guarded one.Originally posted by the Bear:"We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children.... We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."
- Golda Meir -
err.... Isreal coming to middle east not really anything to do with the British Empire leh.....
The fighting was century old where they migrate like time of the Moses....
British Empire only starts some hundreds years ago..... -
israel all the way.
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If the world shows empathy for the palestinian cause, detest for for the israelis will result the emergence of anti-semitism.....the pre-cursor of another holocasut, another world.
Arafat and his cronies are terrorists. Simple and full-stop.
Islamic Jihad use the palestinian cause as an EXCUSE for mass terror.
Brainwashing youths and then strap them with bombs to die, while their bearded clerics sit back and enjoy the fervour that their supporters shower them.
Selfish is the word.
Israelis MUST NOT yield the strategic lands, if they do, the arabs surrounding them will inch their way into wiping Israel from the face of the earth.
It's a fact:
MOST TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS!
Serve them rite to be always being typecast by the west.
Simply becos they never show strong objections and condemnations to the terrorists. They shld stand up and condemn them by actions:
In their mosques, their islamic schools, their family....
Only their Tuhan will noe what they teach in the mosques every Friday...
Did their clerics show their followers the horrible beheading of Berg and condemn it? NO! THEY CHOSE TO STAY RESERVATION, STAY QUIET........
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i have a feeling this thread will b closed soon.Originally posted by dotaro:If the world shows empathy for the palestinian cause, detest for for the israelis will result the emergence of anti-semitism.....the pre-cursor of another holocasut, another world.
Arafat and his cronies are terrorists. Simple and full-stop.
Islamic Jihad use the palestinian cause as an EXCUSE for mass terror.
Brainwashing youths and then strap them with bombs to die, while their bearded clerics sit back and enjoy the fervour that their supporters shower them.
Selfish is the word.
Israelis MUST NOT yield the strategic lands, if they do, the arabs surrounding them will inch their way into wiping Israel from the face of the earth.
It's a fact:
MOST TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS!
Serve them rite to be always being typecast by the west.
Simply becos they never show strong objections and condemnations to the terrorists. They shld stand up and condemn them by actions:
In their mosques, their islamic schools, their family....
Only their Tuhan will noe what they teach in the mosques every Friday...
Did their clerics show their followers the horrible beheading of Berg and condemn it? NO! THEY CHOSE TO STAY RESERVATION, STAY QUIET........ -
I want to discuss about Chinese Jews but I got eliminated by the Gestapo-moderator here, a goblin in green uniform.
Can I hitch a ride here and say that Jews and Chinese have much in common?
And we face a common enemy.......because both Jews aand Chinese tend to be richer than those that surround them......... -
what is your point?
did you plan to sow hatred, like some moron here who is trying to sow hatred for muslims?
frankly, of the Jews and the Chinese people work harder than those around them, and they are richer than those around them, more power to them!
sheesh... or are you one of those who want to tear down those who work for their keep just because you are too lazy and hate them for their industry?
if so, take a long hard look at yourself first...Originally posted by Dr Who:I want to discuss about Chinese Jews but I got eliminated by the Gestapo-moderator here, a goblin in green uniform.
Can I hitch a ride here and say that Jews and Chinese have much in common?
And we face a common enemy.......because both Jews aand Chinese tend to be richer than those that surround them......... -
Let's not condemn all the muslims. I know a few muslims and their interpretation of the Quran is rather... beautiful...
Once upon a time, Christians were terrorists too. Then there is the Irish terrorists.
Jews and Chinese work hard. We leave the security of familiar surroundings, go to a foreign land, being discriminated yet still make good in life.
I understand why Sharon responds the way he does, though I find it too extreme. As for Arafat, too pretentious. I won't support any sides, but I'd be interested in watching the drama unfold.
The jews won't just sit around and wait for others to kill them. They have a habit of taking the initiative. So their dependence on energy will only cause more wars? -
Pls use "I" instead of "we" as your enemy is not our enemy. Are Jews and Chinese your enemy or those richer than you are your enemy?Originally posted by Dr Who:Can I hitch a ride here and say that Jews and Chinese have much in common?
And we face a common enemy.......because both Jews aand Chinese tend to be richer than those that surround them.........
Jews and Chinese have more differences than comonality. Jews believe in one God, Chinese believes in many; Jews were scattered all over the world with no place they call home until they claimed palestine and still there are more jews outside Isreal, but the Chinese in world are in China, Taiwan and Hong Kong predominantly; Jews are involved in the politics of the countries they live but the Chinese always stay away from home politics......
There are rich jews, rich chinese, and there are also rich arabs, rich malays...
There are poor arabs, poor malays, there are also poor chinese, poor jews.
Jews have actually more in common with the muslims than with any others. They have the same ancestry, Abraham; their religious practices are very similar; they don't eat pork; they grow up from the same land....in fact they are brothers!!! So identify your common enemy properly.
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It is true that Jews and Arabs are sons of Abraham. So why must they be at each others' throats all day long? What is the world coming to?Originally posted by sgdiehard:Jews have actually more in common with the muslims than with any others. They have the same ancestry, Abraham; their religious practices are very similar; they don't eat pork; they grow up from the same land....in fact they are brothers!!! So identify your common enemy properly.
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It was recorded in Genesis Chapter 16 that "Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; so she said to Abram. The Lord has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her." So the maid servant Hagar give birth to a son Ishmael. Ishmael was circumcised the same day as Abraham as God's covenant with Abraham....later, Sarai gave birth to Isaac, in Chapter 21.Originally posted by iveco:It is true that Jews and Arabs are sons of Abraham. So why must they be at each others' throats all day long? What is the world coming to?
Haiz.
Ishmael was also blessed by God of Abraham.
Ishmael is the ancestor of all arabs.....Islam was alter established by Muhammad who claimed to be the last prophet.
Isaac is the ancestor of all jews.
I remember it was recorded that the descendents of these two brothers will fight one another. Will write when i find out where it was recorded. -
are u an idiot or what?Originally posted by Dr Who:I want to discuss about Chinese Jews but I got eliminated by the Gestapo-moderator here, a goblin in green uniform.
Can I hitch a ride here and say that Jews and Chinese have much in common?
And we face a common enemy.......because both Jews aand Chinese tend to be richer than those that surround them.........
Chinese has over 1.6 billion scattered over the earth..
Jews only have less then 15 million...
Common Enemy?
For the China-man , their common "opponent" is taiwan + USA...
for Jews, their opponent is Arabs..
hah, what kind of a man are u to call someone gestapo when ur hitler himself?
Chinese richer? don't think so..go around china rural countryside..