I am not worry at all and I'll be glad to see Singapore succeeding in any international games. SEA, we have Thailand; OCEANIA-PACIFIC, Australia; NORTH-EAST ASIA; JAPAN, South KOREA and PRC. Just to name a few countries. Do you really think Singapore can beat these above mentioned countries in NINE YEARS? NOT A CHANCE, these countries are also improving in their soccer teams.Originally posted by Shotgun:Dun worry, we still got 9 more years to go.
The RSAF tried out the F18s... back during the selection between the falcons and the hornets...Originally posted by RMN-Best:hhaaaha f16 is good!!! yup i totally agree... its good to be the target of mig 29 isit??? hahahahahh singapore air force..... hahahahhahaahh what the fuck??? how r singapore air force goin to compare with ours??? why.... u guys sacre of out f18 isit?? hahhahhah dont worrie... we need just two f18 to settle ur country... hahahahhaah singapore.... a small little island also can be a country?? hhahhaaha made my cock laugh man..... even some of our island are bigger then u guyz man..... what war u talking abt??? hahahhahahahah fucking stupid singaporean.... suck my cock and it may made u guyz smarter... hahahhahahh wanna try??
lelong lelong!!!!...... sarong for SU-30......Originally posted by Shotgun:I won't downplay the Su-30 themselves. The are potentially deadly adversaries. If the Russians do sell them the top notch versions of the Su-30, then Singapore would have to acquire all the latest technology the Typhoon and the F-16C/D Bloc60 has to offer.
In anycase, the typhoon will not lose out to the Su-30, given Meteor Deployment and sufficient AWACS. The Typhoon is ranked 2nd to the F-22 in terms of air-combat. Currently, the Su-30s do no have the ability to deploy BVRAAMs like the Meteor. The only Russian missile capable of matching the BVRAAM is the R-33, only deployable on the MIG-31 Foxhound.
However, I see the situation from another view. The Malaysian government is using the Su-30 purchase to play a politics game with Singapore. They are threatening to match Singapore's advancements if Singapore does not slow down hers. Meaning they are getting ready to sell sarongs.
Actually, with China and India's order, I do believe that Russia will have the orders to start the production line, if they have not already done so... And thankfully, the Typhoon was designed specifically to counter the SU-27 and any possible upgrades that can be done on it, so that at least partially puts my mind at rest. Still, the SU-30 is a fearsome fighter.... Heh heh, dunno what are they going to pay for the SU-30s with, sarong i dun think Russia wants, I think they going to offer their rubber and coconut oil again...Originally posted by tripwire:lelong lelong!!!!...... sarong for SU-30......
how is russia gonna build SU-30 for export unless there is a big enough order to start a production line....
secondly.... unless there are many SU-30 on the market.... spareparts will be hard to come by....
Nope, CPF withdrawn be Malaysians. Too bad, these jokers thought their leaders are helping 'em. Palm oils that worth millions. And Malaysian's assh**essssssss.Originally posted by YourFather:Actually, with China and India's order, I do believe that Russia will have the orders to start the production line, if they have not already done so... And thankfully, the Typhoon was designed specifically to counter the SU-27 and any possible upgrades that can be done on it, so that at least partially puts my mind at rest. Still, the SU-30 is a fearsome fighter.... Heh heh, dunno what are they going to pay for the SU-30s with, sarong i dun think Russia wants, I think they going to offer their rubber and coconut oil again...
Are you sure that these Malaysian's are making the tire for Su-30s? If so, these Sukhois will end up in ditches eventually. Or they will change tires as often as the F1 teams.Originally posted by YourFather:Plan to buy Russian fighter jets expected to be revived
Malaysia's proposal to buy the Russian fighter aircraft Sukhoi Su-30, a plan shelved four years ago due to the Asian financial crisis, is expected to be revived.
A barter trade arrangement is likely to be pursued for this second arms deal between the two countries, involving shipments of Malaysian palm oil to pay for the aircraft which are understood to cost at least US$35 million (US$1 = RM3.80) each.
Malaysia had bought 18 MiG-29 Fulcrum fighter jets in 1994 for a total of US$600 million (then RM1.56 billion), under an offset programme which took 24 months to negotiate.
It involved a cash payment of US$450 million, palm oil shipments worth US$95 million, and supply of other Malaysian products worth RM55 million.
The palm oil was to be delivered to Russia over a period of five years, which incidentally ends this year.
According to the Malaysian Defence Industries Council (website), the offset programme included the manufacture of MiG-29 tyres in Malaysia and the setting up of the Aerospace Engineering School at Universiti Sains Malaysia.
The offset agreement commits Russia to transfer technology and assist in the development of the Malaysian defence industry.
Russian news agency Interfax reported last week that there are strong prospects for Russia to sell medium- and short-range air defence systems, light warships and rocket launchers to Malaysia.
The report, quoting an arms expert, said Kuala Lumpur needs these types of weapons and Russia's offers are quite competitive. The Sukhoi deal is expected to be discussed when Prime Minister Datuk Seri Dr Mahathir Mohamad visits Russia next week, it added.
The Prime Minister will be in Russia on September 12-16.
A Malaysian government team, who included representatives from the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF), had met Irkutsk Aviation Production Association (IAPO) officials in Russia late last month, a source told Business Times.
"The Government wants to sign the agreement at the upcoming Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace (LIMA 2001, October 9-14)," the source said.
IAPO manufactures the Su-30 and Su-27 fighters, as well as the Be-200 amphibious aircraft.
Interfax had reported in July that IAPO was participating in a Malaysian government tender for the delivery of a multimode tactical aircraft. The aircraft-maker sent Malaysia a test Su-30MKI aircraft that incorporates the latest features of the newer Su-35 and Su-37 models, according to the report.
"It is a major purchase but the Government has not made any decision yet," said a Defence Ministry official.
The Government's annual allocation for defence amounts to RM2 billion but the ministry has recently asked for an increase under the Eighth Malaysian Plan (2001-2005).
The allocation is only about 2.5 per cent of the gross domestic product, compared to 5 or 6 per cent in the neighbouring countries.
It is understood that RMAF is undertaking a modernisation programme, which includes the formation of a full squadron of 16 fighter aircraft. Discussions are said to have also been held with Boeing Military Aircraft and Missile Systems of the US for its new generation F/A-18E/F Super Hornet jets.
stupid singaporean.... dont always read ur local newspaper.... hhahahah again.... why u guyz from singapore always wanna act smart??Originally posted by hardware:Are you sure that these Malaysian's are making the tire for Su-30s? If so, these Sukhois will end up in ditches eventually. Or they will change tires as often as the F1 teams.
Drive a car with Malaysian made tires and you'll see, they skid like nobody business.
Su-37 is still a testbed, should wait untill it's fully developed.
hey kid....do u actually noe the real strengths n power of sinagapores air defence n air force..u dunno..u can ask mi..y..coz i'm the minister of defence of coss..okok..let me tell u...Originally posted by RMN-Best:stupid singaporean.... dont always read ur local newspaper.... hhahahah again.... why u guyz from singapore always wanna act smart??
we r smart enough to off set the purchase by our oil.... i know why stupid singaporean got so jealous... hhahaha coz, ur country got nothings... no water, no foods... hahaha we have AREADY sign the contract and its confirm that we will have another 16 su30 by the end of 2002... together with us, indonesian will be getting their 32 su30 as well. ours newspaer have also stated that, our intention were to have more then 30 su 30... hahahahahh stupid singaporean... ur stupid was so small... in long run... hahahaha i should see hoe u guyz gonna compete with us... use ur stupid brain and think ...... hahahahaha