National Service....
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Well, we just hope that all these incitation will at least wake up most of the singaporean so that some changes can be effected in the future.
Some interesting view you might like to read
View on PR AND NS http://www.gn.apc.org/sfd/Link%20Pages/Link%20Folders/DearSingaporean/2000/291000.html
http://www.gn.apc.org/sfd/Link%20Pages/Link%20Folders/DearSingaporean/2000/160100.html
http://www.gn.apc.org/sfd/Link%20Pages/Link%20Folders/01Ds/220201d.html
http://www.gn.apc.org/sfd/Link%20Pages/Link%20Folders/01Ds/240201.html -
Originally posted by tango:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hardware:
[b] Really! can the govt. pay NSmen that kind of money? How much does our ministers worth if they work in private sectors? What kind of salary the govt.
Can you learn to read? Did I say about paying NSmen 83K a month? Use some common sense. Let me elaborate. If the ministers' salaries are reduced and used it to pay NSmen using the amount reduced. Would it not be better? As I have stated my stance, if we need to bribe our ministers so that they will not join the private sector or so that they will not be bribed, does it makes sense that they are really trying to serve the nation? Being in the parliament is a way of serving your country, it is not just for the pay. If a minister cannot forsake his private sector's salary, what's the point of him serving?
Being a NSmen is a way to serve our country, it is not just for the pay. Thks, its your point. If you regard salaries as bribe money, i'm also being bribed for 10yrs already. Pls don't call cops...
How long will USD 1.5 billion reserve last?
Excuse me, you can't read? It's 150 Billion USD. In reply to your question, very long if it's used for the increment in SAF personnel salary.
oops typo error. Surely, i can read or i wouldn't be lured to your message. 150 Billion is a lot of money, isn't that Singapore's reserve for rainy days? (not a question for you but for me). My grandpa, grandma, father, mother and all my uncles, aunties must enlist to be legible for parts of these 150 Billion reserve.
If regulars pays are unattractive, no one would be stupid enough to be bonded for 6yrs or more.
Telling me 2-3K for a regular specialist is a lot? Telling me 2-6K for officers, it's a lot? Sad truth, there are always stupid people in the world, furthermore, there are people who think SAF is a good organisation but once they're in it, they realised how 'good' it really is. After you signed the bond, what to do?
I had a friend who worked as a asst. manager in OUB earning lesser than 4K per mth. Well, i'm very very lucky earning close to 10K but have to work to f**king hard to keep my job. you know time is real bad for electronics. In SAF, people are holding the unbreakble bowls. There is a big amt of gratitude (money!) regulars will receive upon their R.O.D. I wonder if that is attractive. (another question for myself)
What kind of defence issues and threats New Zealand has to face daily?
Can't see how big a country NZ is? A defence force is still a defence force. What are the area Singapore need to defend? What are the area NZ need to defend? Dare you tell me NZ face no potential external invasion?
Who is going to attack, sabotage, invade and destroy NZ? Question to myself again. Indonesia, Australia, India, East Timor, Brunei or Malaysia. I DARE to say because I'm Ready To Strike. Oops, old habit dies hard.
Flankly, i not a supporter of PAP but I accept the fact that NO opposition parties could match or replace PAP.
No credible opposition parties? I hear that commonly and how much do you know about opposition parties? How many opposition parties do you know there is in Singapore? Fact is? There are credible opposition parties, JBJ and his party is a good example.
HA HA HA. JBJ and WORKERS PARTY is a good example of sue and appeal. I was in Taiwan for the past few weeks. How is JBJ's case? Have to ask you, I don't know where is his office or i would like to ask him personally. Idiots never learn but to do the same thing over and over again. JBJ is a gd example.
We have to face the fact. How many low morale personnel (with their families) could run away b4 the first shell landed on Singapore?
Good question, I won't know how many people would have fled before the first shell land in Singapore. Indeed if one left with no choice but to fight, they will fight but question is, how bravely? A highly moraled platoon would definitely do better than one without or with low morale, is that not agreeable?
You mean you have a better radar to detect shell before it was fired? Pls inform DSO, we will regard you as our savior. Low moraled man still have to fight for their survival.
Should we say that every individual has their own 'cut'. If you're meant to work in SAF only, you have to accept that fact. We are responsible for the choice we make.
We are responsible for the choices we make, indeed that is true, however, if you are the kind who can work in SAF, they still are our countrymen, is their salary justified? It is a national issue, not just ourselves.
They can quit, don't they? (asking myself again and again).
Lastly. Answer my questions before asking me questions.
Done that.
[This message has been edited by hardware (edited 04 April 2001).]
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Every sane PR staying in Singapore will definitely retain their status as PR for as long as they can in singapore. What's National Service to them?
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suck!!!
yuu_kajima, what type of welfare u want??? hopein to have some boy scout life in army??? enjoyin campin and camp fire??? fuck!!! think ur sgt and officer must have been too lenient to u!!!! tell u what, the topic u have posted has shown to me that u r not a man!!!! u pussy!!!!!! how can Singapore depend on u if we gonna enage in war???? Fuck!!! -
please dun insult the boy scouts...choose another reference if u want..Originally posted by NDU:suck!!!
yuu_kajima, what type of welfare u want??? hopein to have some boy scout life in army??? enjoyin campin and camp fire??? fuck!!! think ur sgt and officer must have been too lenient to u!!!! tell u what, the topic u have posted has shown to me that u r not a man!!!! u pussy!!!!!! how can Singapore depend on u if we gonna enage in war???? Fuck!!!
from where i come from, the scouts can easily pass on as NS training... -
Originally posted by hardware:
Being a NSmen is a way to serve our country, it is not just for the pay. Thks, its your point. If you regard salaries as bribe money, i'm also being bribed for 10yrs already. Pls don't call cops...
I seriously doubt your ability and intelligence. Now, I repeat myself again. The Government had stated before that the high salaries for the ministers are needed so that the ministers won't be lured to the private sectors. Now, what is the high pay for? To retain the ministers so that they won't go and serve in the private sector and also, IN HOPE that they will not be bribed.
Now, may I ask, what that does mean? Does it not mean bribing their heart with money so that they won't be bribed in the future nor be lured to the private sectors?
Perhaps you can read English but can you now understand English?
I had a friend who worked as a asst. manager in OUB earning lesser than 4K per mth. Well, i'm very very lucky earning close to 10K but have to work to f**king hard to keep my job. you know time is real bad for electronics. In SAF, people are holding the unbreakble bowls. There is a big amt of gratitude (money!) regulars will receive upon their R.O.D. I wonder if that is attractive. (another question for myself)
Unbreakable bowl. Haha, nice description. Does this mean, people in the SAF cannot stay afloat in the competitive world?
You quoted you have an asst.manager friend who earned less than 4K a month. Now, that is only one example compared to the numbers of ass.managers in the private sector, your statement is nothing substantial.
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Who is going to attack, sabotage, invade and destroy NZ? Question to myself again. Indonesia, Australia, India, East Timor, Brunei or Malaysia. I DARE to say because I'm Ready To Strike. Oops, old habit dies hard.
Can you predict anything in this world? National defence, can't understand the word?
HA HA HA. JBJ and WORKERS PARTY is a good example of sue and appeal. I was in Taiwan for the past few weeks. How is JBJ's case? Have to ask you, I don't know where is his office or i would like to ask him personally. Idiots never learn but to do the same thing over and over again. JBJ is a gd example.
Dare you deny the fact at least he dare to stand up for his ideal? DARE YOU against almost a parliament controlled by another party?
I am waiting for you to go to his office at, 411-B Jalan Besar. Please let me know after you had finished asking him.
You mean you have a better radar to detect shell before it was fired? Pls inform DSO, we will regard you as our savior. Low moraled man still have to fight for their survival.
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Had I said that I have a better radar to detect shells? Please quote my line. If not, do not put your words as mine. Please learn to speak for yourself only and not for others. I was only answering your question.
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They can quit, don't they? (asking myself again and again).
Lastly. Answer my questions before asking me questions.
Done that.
[This message has been edited by hardware (edited 04 April 2001).
You think all our fathers are Lee Kuan Yew? You want to quit SAF anytime you want with that bond you had signed with them?
Also, please eat your own word now. I had answered your questions but you had not even seems to answer my question in my previous post and, when had I not answer your question?
I repeat again, will a highly moraled army fight better or one without or with low morale? Better or no? You weren't answering my question. Don't tell me about a lowly moraled army will still fight for their live. Which will fight better on the morale terms alone? -
Originally posted by tango:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hardware:
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Being a NSmen is a way to serve our country, it is not just for the pay. Thks, its your point. If you regard salaries as bribe money, i'm also being bribed for 10yrs already. Pls don't call cops...
I seriously doubt your ability and intelligence. Now, I repeat myself again. The Government had stated before that the high salaries for the ministers are needed so that the ministers won't be lured to the private sectors. Now, what is the high pay for? To retain the ministers so that they won't go and serve in the private sector and also, IN HOPE that they will not be bribed.
That's common sense. At least my company pays me 10+Ks monthly to retain my service and hopefully loyalty too.
Now, may I ask, what that does mean? Does it not mean bribing their heart with money so that they won't be bribed in the future nor be lured to the private sectors?
Had you any experience in human resource management? you have to pay a price to retain capable people in your company, so do our government.
Perhaps you can read English but can you now understand English?
If you have intellectual problems ask your parents why.
I had a friend who worked as a asst. manager in OUB earning lesser than 4K per mth. Well, i'm very very lucky earning close to 10K but have to work to f**king hard to keep my job. you know time is real bad for electronics. In SAF, people are holding the unbreakble bowls. There is a big amt of gratitude (money!) regulars will receive upon their R.O.D. I wonder if that is attractive. (another question for myself)
Unbreakable bowl. Haha, nice description. Does this mean, people in the SAF cannot stay afloat in the competitive world?
Maybe they will, maybe not. Not anyone have the 'cut' to survive in the private sector.
You quoted you have an asst.manager friend who earned less than 4K a month. Now, that is only one example compared to the numbers of ass.managers in the private sector, your statement is nothing substantial.
That's job's market rate for a asst. mgr.
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Who is going to attack, sabotage, invade and destroy NZ? Question to myself again. Indonesia, Australia, India, East Timor, Brunei or Malaysia. I DARE to say because I'm Ready To Strike. Oops, old habit dies hard.
Can you predict anything in this world? National defence, can't understand the word?
No, I can't predict. I learned these facts from reports and Janes. Thks, i understand what National defence means.
HA HA HA. JBJ and WORKERS PARTY is a good example of sue and appeal. I was in Taiwan for the past few weeks. How is JBJ's case? Have to ask you, I don't know where is his office or i would like to ask him personally. Idiots never learn but to do the same thing over and over again. JBJ is a gd example.
Dare you deny the fact at least he dare to stand up for his ideal? DARE YOU against almost a parliament controlled by another party?
I dare to say JB and most opposition leaders are full of bull shits. They're just a group of clowns in the parliament. I dare to oppose these parties if they control the parliament.
I am waiting for you to go to his office at, 411-B Jalan Besar. Please let me know after you had finished asking him.
Thks for the add. I will give JB a visit for sure.
You mean you have a better radar to detect shell before it was fired? Pls inform DSO, we will regard you as our savior. Low moraled man still have to fight for their survival.
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Had I said that I have a better radar to detect shells? Please quote my line. If not, do not put your words as mine. Please learn to speak for yourself only and not for others. I was only answering your question.
That is the conclusion, I got from your sentence. How can 'people run away even the first round is fired'?
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They can quit, don't they? (asking myself again and again).
Lastly. Answer my questions before asking me questions.
Done that.
[This message has been edited by hardware (edited 04 April 2001).
You think all our fathers are Lee Kuan Yew? You want to quit SAF anytime you want with that bond you had signed with them?
If the private sector pays my much better, i'll break the bond.
Also, please eat your own word now. I had answered your questions but you had not even seems to answer my question in my previous post and, when had I not answer your question?
Can you understand english? such as asking the questions to myself? I have no regrets of what i've said.
I repeat again, will a highly moraled army fight better or one without or with low morale? Better or no? You weren't answering my question. Don't tell me about a lowly moraled army will still fight for their live. Which will fight better on the morale terms alone?[/B][/QUOTE]
High morale is a bonus. When a person has to fight to protect himself and with nowhere to run. It doesn't matter if he has no morale at all.