FIBUA in Urban Singapore
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yup...i mean a block...lol....apartment....flat...lol....okok...a block...it takes a company to secure a block..Originally posted by Johnston:I hope you mean a HDB Block?
A full company to clear a flat?
one platoon per room?
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Thank goodness.
I know the SAF sent over-manpower to do tasks but one coy for a flat seems like excessive.
Ok Platoon A check the bedroom!
Check under the bed, cupboard, table, and take them all aparT!
average 5 flat per floor, 12 floors
that would be 12 x 5 coys.
A bit too many men?
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hahahaOriginally posted by Johnston:Thank goodness.
I know the SAF sent over-manpower to do tasks but one coy for a flat seems like excessive.
Ok Platoon A check the bedroom!
Check under the bed, cupboard, table, and take them all aparT!
average 5 flat per floor, 12 floors
that would be 12 x 5 coys.
A bit too many men?
Just a joke!
well my definition of a block is always a flat...lol..used since young...sorry for the wrong use for words.. -
Currently 3 SIR is the experimental unit that specializes in urban warfare. I think MINDEF has taken this into considerationOriginally posted by SpecOps87:I'm not saying that Jungle Warfare is not important.In which part of my post did I ever say that?All that I am saying is that,we must place more emphasis on the important aspect of FIBUA.Singapore being so heavily built up,do you expect the enemy to purposely wage war only in Bukit Timah Nature reserve or McRitchie Reserviour?With more emphasis on Urban fightings,the soldier has a higher chance of survival.In the jungle,it is easy to brek contact,but have you considered the difficulties in breaking contact in a heavily urbanised area?
Running out on the streets will get you sniped from every possible direction.
You may be seperated from the enemy by only a few centimetres of concrete and yet not know it.Lastly,I did not say that Afghan has plenty of buildings.Look at Iraq,how long has the fearsome American war machine been stuck outside Fallujah waiting for peace talks,negotations and they are finally preping up to go in.Even an Army which goes into conflict every few years has their balls shrink with the mention of FIBUA.What else for an army which has not drawn blood at all like SG? -
Neo Tiew ? Where is it?Originally posted by tankee1981:The old FIBUA village in my opinion is not very realistic but its suitable for the initial training of troops. The new FIBUA village in the old Neo Tiew start operating yet? Neo Tiew is a more realistic environment as its an actual residential estate where people lived before.
I say why not build a huge FIBUA training camp in Rockhampton, Australia where we conduct our Wallaby exercise?
One that is big enough even for our amoured AI to train FIBUA? One that is big enough to conduct battalion level FIBUA training... -
trained in camp loh.
last reservist saw the 3SIR reservist unit conducted FIBUA training in the camp.
everyone at canteen was like looking at free show incl' the Aussies.
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Why not? One BIG issue being the cost effectiveness of this whole thing. Chatered flight all the way to Rocky just to get FIBUA training? A bit overkill IMO.Originally posted by Paladin:Neo Tiew ? Where is it?
I say why not build a huge FIBUA training camp in Rockhampton, Australia where we conduct our Wallaby exercise?
One that is big enough even for our amoured AI to train FIBUA? One that is big enough to conduct battalion level FIBUA training... -
We could expand the Neo Tiew Estate conversion idea.That is a good idea for starters.And one company is not enough to take over a whole block fo flats.You need nimble and mobile armoured forces t osupport the infantry in flushing out the enemy.
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neo tiew is near LCK/CCK dat region, near the 'volcano'. there got hdb blocks but is not very high story one. other info i will not say cos i dunno if its sensitive anot....and....the good thing is....u can go for lamb's milk after training.....SONG ! and got a few aquariums ard there too.Originally posted by Paladin:Neo Tiew ? Where is it?
I say why not build a huge FIBUA training camp in Rockhampton, Australia where we conduct our Wallaby exercise?
One that is big enough even for our amoured AI to train FIBUA? One that is big enough to conduct battalion level FIBUA training... -
as far as i know... 3 SIR hasn't conducted any sorta Fibua training yet...and i'm from selarang camp...
in fact they just completed thier 16km route march today... maybe after they POP and then they'll start during with the AITC... -
1 company is enough to take each housing block there ... my unit did our final mission there for ATEC ...Originally posted by LazerLordz:We could expand the Neo Tiew Estate conversion idea.That is a good idea for starters.And one company is not enough to take over a whole block fo flats.You need nimble and mobile armoured forces t osupport the infantry in flushing out the enemy. -
got go to the lamb farm boh ? lamb milk good for health.Originally posted by one-niner:1 company is enough to take each housing block there ... my unit did our final mission there for ATEC ... -
Yahh 11 Mono just enlisted only... so it will take some timeOriginally posted by Devilsmarlin:as far as i know... 3 SIR hasn't conducted any sorta Fibua training yet...and i'm from selarang camp...
in fact they just completed thier 16km route march today... maybe after they POP and then they'll start during with the AITC... -
Is that an issue? Now, how did our amoured boys get to Australia? Swim there?Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:Why not? One BIG issue being the cost effectiveness of this whole thing. Chatered flight all the way to Rocky just to get FIBUA training? A bit overkill IMO.
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a brief intro flash to fighting in urban area
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/urban_warfare/html/default.stm -
Air travel are not really that expensive now ! you can fly to places like thailand and hong kong for $150 nowaday.Originally posted by Paladin:Is that an issue? Now, how did our amoured boys get to Australia? Swim there? -
Thanks for the link very informativeOriginally posted by Ritterkreuz:a brief intro flash to fighting in urban area
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/urban_warfare/html/default.stm -
Hiz!
Extremely informative.
Any other similar pages like that? -
Did anyone read about the news on the last few hours of Saddam's son? How he was finally killed in an apartment. If I remembered it correctly, the building was about only 3 or 5 stories high. The U.S army had to use about 4 .50cal mounted Humvees, at least 2 humvees with TOW/ Stinger launcher firing at least 2 or 4 missile into where Saddam's son was located, about a battalion of infantry men & at least 2 teams of SpecOps. A mini bird was also used to fire missiles & other ammos.
Saddam's son was still able to hold his ground for quite sometime.
So does Singapore Armed Forces have a plan if they ever encounter a similar situation as the one mentioned aboved? Ah yes, the last option of the U.S military commander on the ground was to brig down the whole building, hopefully killing Saddam's son in it. Of course, it never came to that option.
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Actually I think they were going for overkill in this case... haven't seen them in such excess recently...
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Wasn't part of the reason they needed so many men because they wanted to form a protective radius around the building to prevent him from sneaking off?Originally posted by John Ching:Did anyone read about the news on the last few hours of Saddam's son? How he was finally killed in an apartment. If I remembered it correctly, the building was about only 3 or 5 stories high. The U.S army had to use about 4 .50cal mounted Humvees, at least 2 humvees with TOW/ Stinger launcher firing at least 2 or 4 missile into where Saddam's son was located, about a battalion of infantry men & at least 2 teams of SpecOps. A mini bird was also used to fire missiles & other ammos.
Saddam's son was still able to hold his ground for quite sometime.
So does Singapore Armed Forces have a plan if they ever encounter a similar situation as the one mentioned aboved? Ah yes, the last option of the U.S military commander on the ground was to brig down the whole building, hopefully killing Saddam's son in it. Of course, it never came to that option.
IMHO, in a real urban conflict, you probably wouldn't spend so much resources ensuring that single combatants don't escape.