Soldiers who relish & enjoy combat
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This tot juz came across me as I was watching an episode of Band of Brothers (Episode 3:Carentan) where the actor portraying Lt. Ronald Speirs said:
"The sooner you acccept the fact that you're already dead, the more you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function. No mercy, no compassion, no remorse.."
Alrite, Lt Speirs may be one of tose really cool & collected soldiers (not to mention a bit crazy), but it juz strikes me as to how some soldiers really came to enjoy war & combat where their lives can be ended at an instant. Ok, war is HELL but some soldiers actaully WANT to go to war. For example, US Rangers actually feel like they're useless and trained for nothing if they nv even got to engage in a real firefight in their tour of duty.
Is it good for soldiers to have tis mentality? Can it actually make them perform better under stress if they relish combat? Alrite, it is true tat some soldiers who bitch abt how much they wanna get into combat but end up peeing their pants once the bullets start flying, but lets put tat aside eh?
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definitely...its warrior instinct....Originally posted by dRaKe86:This tot juz came across me as I was watching an episode of Band of Brothers (Episode 3:Carentan) where the actor portraying Lt. Ronald Speirs said:
"The sooner you acccept the fact that you're already dead, the more you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function. No mercy, no compassion, no remorse.."
Alrite, Lt Speirs may be one of tose really cool & collected soldiers (not to mention a bit crazy), but it juz strikes me as to how some soldiers really came to enjoy war & combat where their lives can be ended at an instant. Ok, war is HELL but some soldiers actaully WANT to go to war. For example, US Rangers actually feel like they're useless and trained for nothing if they nv even got to engage in a real firefight in their tour of duty.
Is it good for soldiers to have tis mentality? Can it actually make them perform better under stress if they relish combat? Alrite, it is true tat some soldiers who bitch abt how much they wanna get into combat but end up peeing their pants once the bullets start flying, but lets put tat aside eh?
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every elite soldier's training is geared for war...to them..its a waste to actually acquire the deadly skills and not use them..thats my 2 cents...
sic vis pacem parabellum-"If you want peace..prepare for war"
Richard Marcinko once said...the more u get touchy feely on death...the less u can perform in a firefight...the faster u accept the fact that u are expendable...the faster you realise you can do exactly anything in a firefight...
Everyone soldier is expendable..no matter the rank and elitism...
from Dick Couch's book "The Warrior Elite", there is a chapter on the invasion in Grenada... in that chapter he spoke of SEAL TEAM SIX's(Now defunct and called DEVGRU) attack on a military radio station...When the odds are against them...he emphasized on the fear that were in the SEALs....the pee in your pants kind of fear...but proper training...the mentality of train as you fight, fight as you train kicks in....the SEALs have downright bone-chilling fear but controls them because of the endless training they have went through...the same goes to all elite units... -
so long as their desire does not intoxicate them into unthinking, reckless soldiers, who not only puts his own life on the line, also puts his mates at risk.
also, it will be folly for soldiers who does not understand the context and circumstance of battle at all to relish going into one. cos once he realises the truth of the situation, he may just become the first person to desert. -
"The sooner you acccept the fact that you're already dead, the more you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function. No mercy, no compassion, no remorse.." think that is not very true, as once you accept the fact that you are already dead, you get gung-ho and careless.Originally posted by dRaKe86:This tot juz came across me as I was watching an episode of Band of Brothers (Episode 3:Carentan) where the actor portraying Lt. Ronald Speirs said:
"The sooner you acccept the fact that you're already dead, the more you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function. No mercy, no compassion, no remorse.."
Alrite, Lt Speirs may be one of tose really cool & collected soldiers (not to mention a bit crazy), but it juz strikes me as to how some soldiers really came to enjoy war & combat where their lives can be ended at an instant. Ok, war is HELL but some soldiers actaully WANT to go to war. For example, US Rangers actually feel like they're useless and trained for nothing if they nv even got to engage in a real firefight in their tour of duty.
Is it good for soldiers to have tis mentality? Can it actually make them perform better under stress if they relish combat? Alrite, it is true tat some soldiers who bitch abt how much they wanna get into combat but end up peeing their pants once the bullets start flying, but lets put tat aside eh?
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Think it is more of accepting the fact that you are a soldier, and just doing the best to stay alive to kick ass, is more important. Than you be on the ball and sharp . Good soldiers don't enjoy combat, they are never eager for combat, they know when to fight when to run. People who get eager for combat, generally in their eagerness get careless and not logical and die. -
i know of a guy whose waiting to ORD just so he can sign on commandos for precisely that sort of thing.
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Why must ORD to sign on?
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in simple fact, people want to experience combat, without themselves dead, which can happen but no likely...
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Like my warrant officer said... "You all think you all can see each other after combat ah? That everybody will be around? Fat chance!"
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"It would have been better if blood were shed.Even if it was our own"Spartans after lanuching a 10,000men army to battle but not being able to find the enemy.
Certain cultures and soldiering have made men into war machines where war is part and parcel of life. -
yup...Originally posted by |-|05|:"It would have been better if blood were shed.Even if it was our own"Spartans after lanuching a 10,000men army to battle but not being able to find the enemy.
Certain cultures and soldiering have made men into war machines where war is part and parcel of life.
u either have it...
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coz now stuck in a service vocation. was originally from hendon, but got OOCed after a quarrel with MO.Originally posted by greengoblin:Why must ORD to sign on? -
....which mo are we talking abt here? Capt ho?Originally posted by nismoS132:coz now stuck in a service vocation. was originally from hendon, but got OOCed after a quarrel with MO. -
There was actually a study done back in the U.S on soldiers who are mentally eager for combat. It seems its unknowingly implanted in the soldiers' mind during trainning that the soldiers is indestructabale. Trainning scenario with the soldiers always coming out as victors with almost no lost of life, boost a soldiers confidence very high & then top that with the constant whoah rubbish, boost the soldiers' confident into beyond logic.
But then there are a number of troops who feel that all the trainning is useless if they do not get the chance to use their skill, to take the ultimate test of life. The Army likes it this way that a soldier feels the need to fight because when the time comes, the Army believes these are the soldiers that would turn up for it.
As for elite soldiers, its about accomplishment & not the need for war. To them its a challenge of their ability to get the mission done & get out alive. Just like a skate-boarder who does all kinds of crazy stuns with the possibility of endangering thermselves. -
u fan of richard dickhead marcinko...cool
i love his 10 commandments...
esp i shall treat all of u alike.. just like s h i t..Originally posted by storywolf:"The sooner you acccept the fact that you're already dead, the more you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function. No mercy, no compassion, no remorse.." think that is not very true, as once you accept the fact that you are already dead, you get gung-ho and careless.
Think it is more of accepting the fact that you are a soldier, and just doing the best to stay alive to kick ass, is more important. Than you be on the ball and sharp . Good soldiers don't enjoy combat, they are never eager for combat, they know when to fight when to run. People who get eager for combat, generally in their eagerness get careless and not logical and die. -
You blind one, make sure you don't step on shits ! opps you just step on some.Originally posted by Noeyessee:u fan of richard dickhead marcinko...cool
i love his 10 commandments...
esp i shall treat all of u alike.. just like s h i t.. -
Hmmz, really interesting replies thus far... thks guyz for the opinions.. I got some things to add as well...
Juz ytd I tink, I saw on the news abt some conflict in the Palestinian region (I hope I'm rite cuz I didnt catch all of the words the newscaster said) where US (or was it UN?) forces were engaged in heavy firefights in urban terrain. A solid minute long video footage (although kinda blurry & shaky) was taken by a person who's "in the shit" & I can tell u.. The action is INTENSE.. The chatter of automatic rifle fire is continuous, and the filming guy even caught an RPG impact onlie 30-odd feet in front of him...
**URGENT**If anyone noes a link to view/download tis footage, PLZ SHARE!
How has tis footage I mentioned got to do wif anything wif the topic? well, apparently, during the footage, LOTS of soldiers were actually shouting "WooHOoo!" plus all the battle cries I guess.. I cant distinguish shouts of excitement or fear.. But Woohoo says it all eh? further emphasizes my pt of soldiers who relish combat I guess...
Honestly, wad do u guyz tink u will feel when u're "in the shit"? I presonally tink I will juz want to be at the back providing cover instead of at the front though.. Yes... It may sound like I humji, but it's better than retreating to not take part rite?