How to defeat the SOF/STAR
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Hi guys,one interesting topic for thought.Can anyone share ways to defeat and counter the SOF's moves?
Scenario:An MRT train in the middle of two stations.You have taken over the MRT with a bunch of tangos,all of you are heavily armed with weapons/equipment of your choice and C4/Semtex explosives.You have placed Claymore anti-personnel mines along the tracks heading towards the train on both ends of the train. All of you are also wearing body armour and ballistic helmets.
Now,you receive news that an attack by the SOF or STAR is imminent.What are you going to do? -
Lure them in and press the self-detonate button
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You must put the whole thing into perspective. What are your goals for this mission? What are you prepared to sacrifice?Originally posted by SpecOps87:Now,you receive news that an attack by the SOF or STAR is imminent.What are you going to do? -
Now now...u missed the point.YOu wanna get your demands.Not kill.You want them to gif u a jet,$$ and free prisoners detained by ISD.So wat do u do?Wat do you do?
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wtf is SOF/STAR...3rd grade soldier....
Get the SAS in....
Who Dares Wins
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Seriously you are in deep shit. By the time you reach your car taking you to the airport, you be shot.
Your claymore mines cannot prevent SOF/STAR from fast-roping down to the roof of the train right? -
Nay .. now the "in" thing is to call in CISCO guards .. wahahah .. headshot somemore!Originally posted by kops21:wtf is SOF/STAR...3rd grade soldier....
Get the SAS in....
Who Dares Wins
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Wait! Let's make it more challenging. Do you mean in the middle of two underground stations?Originally posted by SpecOps87:Scenario:An MRT train in the middle of two stations.
Then win liao lor .... -
I believe that discussions in how to defeat/counter Sg security operations/measures should not be indulged as some loose mouths that are in the know may inadvertently divulge operational info and give potential malcontents the advantage.
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for every technique of engagement there is an equal and opposite counter-engagement technique. For every counter-engagement technique, there is an equal and opposite technique to counter it too.
This is 'Newton's law applied.
even if u know how to, there is still the problem of timing, speed, mastery. just like u know u need to place the dot on the head and shoot but the problem is, how fast can u engage dot on the head and how accurate can you be.
Papertalk is one thing, actuall practical is another.
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Originally posted by Icemoon:Nay .. now the "in" thing is to call in CISCO guards .. wahahah .. headshot somemore!
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SOF are just better trained and armed folks. Thus they can be defeat and moves can be countered.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Hi guys,one interesting topic for thought.Can anyone share ways to defeat and counter the SOF's moves?
Scenario:An MRT train in the middle of two stations.You have taken over the MRT with a bunch of tangos,all of you are heavily armed with weapons/equipment of your choice and C4/Semtex explosives.You have placed Claymore anti-personnel mines along the tracks heading towards the train on both ends of the train. All of you are also wearing body armour and ballistic helmets.
Now,you receive news that an attack by the SOF or STAR is imminent.What are you going to do?
Will not discuss how I will see the SOF will act and the countermeasures on it.
Just one note. Moving the situation of a MRT to be between the underground stations, may be actually the wrong move, because it narrow the options of the SOF - down to full shootout. -
The train is stuck between two underground stations.And this will rule out fast-roping as there is no where to fast-rope from.The only way in and out is to use the tunnel or through manholes etc..So anyway out?
**This is not to undermine the capability of the SOF or STAR unit..But I hope they see this and improve on countermeasures which will greatly save the lives of the hostages and that of themselves.**
Lets say they have manage to disarm the claymores,how are you gonna stop getting yourself shot to shit by them? -
call in tomahawk missile strike
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I have read an article to counter CQB tacticsOriginally posted by SpecOps87:Hi guys,one interesting topic for thought.Can anyone share ways to defeat and counter the SOF's moves?
Scenario:An MRT train in the middle of two stations.You have taken over the MRT with a bunch of tangos,all of you are heavily armed with weapons/equipment of your choice and C4/Semtex explosives.You have placed Claymore anti-personnel mines along the tracks heading towards the train on both ends of the train. All of you are also wearing body armour and ballistic helmets.
Now,you receive news that an attack by the SOF or STAR is imminent.What are you going to do?
u should really ponder on what STAR/SOF is equipped with
With all the body armour, ammo and all their nifty gadgets...fatigue would set into them really quick..
As all CQB units...when hostages lives are about to end... dynamic entry is always used....this is where booby traps comes in....
plus...obstacles should be put into play..trash cans lying around....it makes them more tired to get over and around obstacles with all their equipment...
STAR/SOF could not fight a running battle properly with all their equipment weighing them down(obstacles would make them fatigue faster than anything.....
smoke should also be put into play...darkness isnt much help to tangos as STAR/SOF units use NVGs...smoke is much more difficult to penetrate
well...i just wanna show the shortcomings of CQB units...thats all...but to tell u the truth....its hard to beat them...luck plays a part too....
u are not a terrorist arent u? -
Like I said, press the self-detonate button a la Heero Yuy styleOriginally posted by SpecOps87:The train is stuck between two underground stations.And this will rule out fast-roping as there is no where to fast-rope from.The only way in and out is to use the tunnel or through manholes etc..So anyway out?
**This is not to undermine the capability of the SOF or STAR unit..But I hope they see this and improve on countermeasures which will greatly save the lives of the hostages and that of themselves.**
Lets say they have manage to disarm the claymores,how are you gonna stop getting yourself shot to shit by them?
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And pray tell, if the claymore mines gave been disarmed, how then would you detonate them?By hand and risk detection?Or a hidden redundant switch somewhere else?Feint and switch.
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i guess claymore mines seem to be complex though....simple indigenous explosives are enuff i guess...with timed fuses..or trip wires..Originally posted by LazerLordz:And pray tell, if the claymore mines gave been disarmed, how then would you detonate them?By hand and risk detection?Or a hidden redundant switch somewhere else?Feint and switch.
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Let's say the tangos are in the green carriages (middle of train), how fast can SOF/STAR reach them, even if they force a sudden, total blackout?
Let's say the tangos threaten SMRT "if you dare blackout the train or the tunnel, then we end all lives Heero Yuy style!" So the tunnel and train will be lit. Even if the lookouts at both ends of the train kenna sniped (wahahah, the scenario must take place in a very curved portion of the tunnel, so bullets cannot reach the train from far), the good guys still cannot reach the train fast enough. The element of surprise and shock will be lost.
PS: Any CS map for this scenario? -
NEL or the old one? One need driver, the other I got no control at all. You never say got hostages or not, so I guess not. That makes the ts a bunch of sitting ducks.
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thats where obstacles comes in...block their passage using fire extinguishers....broken seats....putting oil or grease helps too..by the time they reach the middle...they'd probably be damn fatigued...Originally posted by Icemoon:Let's say the tangos are in the green carriages (middle of train), how fast can SOF/STAR reach them, even if they force a sudden, total blackout?
Let's say the tangos threaten SMRT "if you dare blackout the train or the tunnel, then we end all lives Heero Yuy style!" So the tunnel and train will be lit. Even if the lookouts at both ends of the train kenna sniped (wahahah, the scenario must take place in a very curved portion of the tunnel, so bullets cannot reach the train from far), the good guys still cannot reach the train fast enough. The element of surprise and shock will be lost.
PS: Any CS map for this scenario? -
Forgive me, but I don't agree with the logic.Originally posted by chunyong:for every technique of engagement there is an equal and opposite counter-engagement technique. For every counter-engagement technique, there is an equal and opposite technique to counter it too.
This is 'Newton's law applied.
even if u know how to, there is still the problem of timing, speed, mastery. just like u know u need to place the dot on the head and shoot but the problem is, how fast can u engage dot on the head and how accurate can you be.
Papertalk is one thing, actuall practical is another.
Should information about making improvised explosives (it is really not that difficult - I know ) be dispensed here with the argument that counter-action is to make obtaining the ingredients difficult/restricted? -
Ram another MRT train at the train the terrorists are in. At super high speed.
The jolt would be enough to shake everyone up, but you will risk killing some hostages. -
all cdos dat are boatman/demo trained will know. so in a cohort of cdo, at least 1/3 will learn as some go for sniper and other stuff. u aren't the only one knowing. we can counter-act IED from the efficient way...SPF have counter-IED sub-unit but i won't name which unit they are under.Originally posted by dragonstar:Forgive me, but I don't agree with the logic.
Should information about making improvised explosives (it is really not that difficult - I know ) be dispensed here with the argument that counter-action is to make obtaining the ingredients difficult/restricted?
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Originally posted by SpecOps87:
I'll say my last prayer and hope I won't burn in hell.
Now,you receive news that an attack by the SOF or STAR is imminent.What are you going to do?