How to defeat the SOF/STAR
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Eh Guys...we are straying off from topic.So can we get back on track?Now that we have the scenario set and the SOF/Star troopers are unable to effectively break into the train and perform a hostage rescue.Anything else to add?
And now what about the SOF/Star getting into the train?Ideas anyone? -
SBSK start to dispear when we unmask him. Did you folks notice it also when SBSK disappear for the pass few day, Johnson also disappeared !!!Originally posted by palmerised:man you guys assume too much... anyway, our HR units do train for tubular assaults such as buses, trains etc. observe opsec and persec please, but dont think anyone would release unit SOPs. anyway what happened to sbsk.. so long never see him..
Guess if they are not the same person, then they would have been on a gay trip together !!! -
Got a solution to that puzzle. The key is turn back to ancient teaching - the use of water !!!
Let see with the enemy in position and fully booby trapped . There is not way you can disarm them and charged them in that tunnel without being effectively stopped in momentum by them somewhere along the tunnel before the MRT train.
What we need is something that move very fast moving and have power to move ahead to take out everything including booby trap and enemy in the tunnel all the way to open the way right to the MRT and create a few second of delay. The element is water !!!
Use water !!! Build a huge huge huge container of water, then release it suddenly, a sudden gush of water like tital wave down the tunnel which water force will take out all booby traps and claremores and all armed enemy outside the train. The MRT due to its weight and size will not be affected.
Its effect also created the few second which is needed freeze the enemy inside the MRT. Then the SOF then can follow behind the water in a vehicle right up to the MRT and charge !!!
May sound like a crazy ideal but it will work beautifully.
Of course air pressure can be consider, but think water is the safer option. -
We just make sure that we have SBSK with us on any outing on MRT ! He will kill the terrorist with his mouth. His mouth is the most powerful weapon in world. We just sit and look.Originally posted by Icemoon:Come to think of it, why must SOF/STAR be the saviour of the day? After 9-11, flight passengers have no qualm battling it out with the terrorists on the plane, since they know doom is imminent. Perhaps our MRT passengers are like that also?
Maybe that day Military Nuts happen to have an outing and people like SpecOps87, chunyong, sidestep1984, storywolf all in the train. Then add in commandos like lion02, Gendaken etc. So when you all hear the terrorist plan, all shake your head. Even chunyong, who seems to be "in the know", also shake his head and mutter "our STAR cannot pull this off, definitely". And the commandos suddenly admit "Our SOF never execute this kind of rescue mission succesfully before."
Then how? All suddenly become very garang and fight it out with the terrorists?
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your partner may just do the same thing.Originally posted by John Ching:Do what the Russian army of the old days would do, kill everything that moves & then blame it on the terrorist.
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thought they already have one in their mandai camp?Originally posted by Manager433:Our SOF/STAR do practised storming a train or a station. The SCDF will be receiving a scrap train soon for practising putting out fire. What more ihfo you want? -
infiltrating with another id?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Indeed.SBSK is gone.Why, no one knows.. -
the idea isn't new. the japs first did that with the us aircraft carrier in the pacific theatre of war. was the japs a third world country then?Originally posted by SpecOps87:I mean guys,you gotta look at it this way,before Sept 11,who on earth would have thought of slamming a fuel-laden aircraft into a building to send a message that Terrorism will always be around?Honestly,no one but those creative people in Afghan who are essentially seen as a 3-World people.Although it did not succeed in bringing the US Military or the entire nation as a whole to its knees,can anyone be certain that they won't get creative of ramming something else and cause massive damage?The fact here is that you CAN'T.Thats why,each and every citizen should be prepared and ready for whatever crap those tangos decide to throw at us. -
Johnston also disappear with SBSK !!!Originally posted by YI:infiltrating with another id?
Could it be the case that johnston has been kidnapped by SBSK.
SBSK put johnston into a box and dump somewhere. SBSK maybe on the run, already run across to Malaysia in hiding already !!! -
you want to freeze yourself to reduce your thermal reading? just be grateful that a stray bullet doesn't hit you. neither will you be choked by the powder/smoke.Originally posted by SpecOps87:BTW,to all you folks who think that the NVGs and Themal imagers might stand a chance of looking through the smoke screen laid downed,remember the MRT trains do carry Fire Extinguishers?Now what if besides the smoke grenades,I use the powder from the fire extinguishers to spray into the surrounding...do you think that the NVGs and thermals can still see throught them?I bet not!!! -
hahah.. they will probably need to recon for weeks for the perfect timing/date which lower such a possiblities.. but will they be bother with them?Originally posted by |-|05|:if you're suay enf u get at least 1 company of NSmen in the train.....or worse u get NS commandos!!
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oh you again. thanks for warning me that those two are the same person weeks back. but how do i know i can trust you? hahah.. guess it just doesn't matter.Originally posted by storywolf:Johnston also disappear with SBSK !!!
Could it be the case that johnston has been kidnapped by SBSK.
SBSK put johnston into a box and dump somewhere. SBSK maybe on the run, already run across to Malaysia in hiding already !!! -
ops sorry.. anyway.. do you think there is a ventilation shaft that lead to the surface every say 1km of the tunnel?Originally posted by SpecOps87:Eh Guys...we are straying off from topic.So can we get back on track?Now that we have the scenario set and the SOF/Star troopers are unable to effectively break into the train and perform a hostage rescue.Anything else to add?
And now what about the SOF/Star getting into the train?Ideas anyone? -
Yi it does not matter if I can be trusted.Originally posted by YI:oh you again. thanks for warning me that those two are the same person weeks back. but how do i know i can trust you? hahah.. guess it just doesn't matter.
yes there is service shaft in the tunnels that would have been boody trapped too.
Got a solution to that puzzle. The key is turn back to ancient teaching - the use of water !!!
Let see with the enemy in position and fully booby trapped . There is not way you can disarm them and charged them in that tunnel without being effectively stopped in momentum by them somewhere along the tunnel before the MRT train.
What we need is something that move very fast moving and have power to move ahead to take out everything including booby trap and enemy in the tunnel all the way to open the way right to the MRT and create a few second of delay. The element is water !!!
Use water !!! Build a huge huge huge container of water, then release it suddenly, a sudden gush of water like tidal wave down the tunnel which water force will take out all booby traps and claremores and all armed enemy outside the train. The MRT due to its weight and size will not be affected. What ever NVG, the bad guy see the tidal wave only, not the vehicle and SOF behind and smoke will wash away by water.
Its effect also created the few second which is needed freeze the enemy inside the MRT. Then the SOF then can follow behind the water in a vehicle right up to the MRT and charge !!!
May sound like a crazy ideal but it will work beautifully.
Of course air pressure can be consider, but think water is the safer option. -
let all of them die.
a single death is a tragedy. a million deaths is a statistic.. (joseph stalin)
anyway special operator number 87 have you even use a NOD before? if you have, which generation of NODs have you tried? you are assuming too much which can be deadly. however i do agree with you about being ready to fight... -
Used the GEN II one b4.But that time AOH,got try the GEN III one.GEN III has betta depth perseption.
Seriously,the thermal imagers are for looking at body head,you cannot tell it from the surrounding.I mean if a tango juz lay with a bunch of hostages,wait till the assault team have passed them,turns around and hoses them.So now how?Its all about the way they are trained...its al a matter of survival -
paiseh loh, if u think operators just walk pass the civillians or hostages without securing the cluster or cagin....u got the idealogy totally wrong....i think u serve army liao will learn lah, u apparently think everything is like from the books and tv shows.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Used the GEN II one b4.But that time AOH,got try the GEN III one.GEN III has betta depth perseption.
Seriously,the thermal imagers are for looking at body head,you cannot tell it from the surrounding.I mean if a tango juz lay with a bunch of hostages,wait till the assault team have passed them,turns around and hoses them.So now how?Its all about the way they are trained...its al a matter of survival
1 day experience is better than 10 days reading of cqb books and tv shows. -
nicely said. i don't like this topic at all cause there's just too much assumptions being made..Originally posted by chunyong:paiseh loh, if u think operators just walk pass the civillians or hostages without securing the cluster or cagin....u got the idealogy totally wrong....i think u serve army liao will learn lah, u apparently think everything is like from the books and tv shows.
1 day experience is better than 10 days reading of cqb books and tv shows.
rest of the world: come on lah unless you're a btdt, you don't really know unit SOPs now do you? -
u never watch Infernal Affairs ah ? hahahaha...maybe got tonnes of Andy Laus in SAF/SPF ?Originally posted by palmerised:nicely said. i don't like this topic at all cause there's just too much assumptions being made..
rest of the world: come on lah unless you're a btdt, you don't really know unit SOPs now do you?
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Sorry guys if I have assumed too much or offended you guys in anyway.All I wanted was to learn from the posted comments etc.. from this forum thats all.
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I wouldn't consider that particular robber as a classic idiot, rather a desparate fella.Originally posted by storywolf:Recent robber case is a classical idot. Not a good example for as toy gun. Everyone knows there is a armed guard in the bank. Our idiot robber, ran inside when the guard is upstairs, letting the guard time to thing as he came down, and of course idiot pay for it. In real life, if you look at all professional robberies oversea, they alway make sure, the moment they enter, the guard is alway in the clear, which they will be able to take him out first.
Yes there is a lot of factors that terrorist groups may take on soemthing when they are not fully equipped. that I totally agreed.
There really aren't that many so-called professional robbers in the world, they are just better at it because they are not desparate & they had real firepower.
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Had that sounds like a quote from the Die Hard movies, in which Bruce Willis said,"assumption is the mother of all F8@k-ups!"Originally posted by 033:assumption is the mother of all foul ups... -
From the words of the Terminator/ Arnold Schwarzenegger/ Gavonator," they'll be ba-ack!"Originally posted by storywolf:Johnston also disappear with SBSK !!!
Could it be the case that johnston has been kidnapped by SBSK.
SBSK put johnston into a box and dump somewhere. SBSK maybe on the run, already run across to Malaysia in hiding already !!! -
haha its okay lah i mean, it's a forum afterall.. =]
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Just for information, if anyone considered that the recent robber in S'pore was an idiot, you ought to read the following news;
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/13/consulate.standoff.ap/index.html