Experience with American soldiers
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I think it's that "Asian modesty" thing rearing its ugly head again.Originally posted by John Ching:Why can't you accept the fact that your army is being recognised as a professional force?
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You're right - there was the exhange as well. Forgot about that.Originally posted by sidestep1984:actually this is partly wrong..he was on an exhange thingy with the SAS...he was so overly inspired with the SAS that he pushed for a US Army equivalent ala SFOD-D...he was their first CO...onli to be mudsucked on the failures of Desert One where majority of the blame is pushed unto him...
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and SEAL TEAM SIX(now called NAVSPECWAR DEVGRU) was designed by Richard Marcinko during the aftermath of DESERT ONE where there came a need of a SEAL command equivalent to SFOD-D....really interesting stuffs...one is regimented training with an example from SAS...another had a 6 month hectic training programme(in its beginning) with no examples from anyone....both doing a heck of a job at what they do..Originally posted by Gedanken:You're right - there was the exhange as well. Forgot about that. -
I prefer to take anything to do with Marcinko with a huge pinch of salt - his reputation's pretty spotty.
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well..if one is in his shoes...and share the same belief...they'd do the same....Originally posted by Gedanken:I prefer to take anything to do with Marcinko with a huge pinch of salt - his reputation's pretty spotty. -
They train in West Malaysia too, conducting the same type of exercises. A couple of years back - I bump into a number of US Marines in Malacca on a guided RnR tour. They were hosted by the guys from the Malaysian RDF.Originally posted by sidestep1984:Each year an MEF goes to Malaysia( Sarawak i think) to train in jungle warfare...http://www.c7f.navy.mil/news/2002/7/9.htm Landing Force CARAT or something...
off topic...
In my honest opinion...best place to learn jungle warfare is to learn from the Malaysian Army(notably their Ranger Unit)...the Jungle warfare school(in Fort Bragg or Benning...couldnt recall cos it starts with a B) was set up with the help of the Malaysians if memory serves me well...[/url]
The Malaysian army Ranger Unit? I think you may have mistaken with the commandos/special forces group. The Royal Malaysian Ranger Regiment is actually a regiment consisting of conventional Infantry battalions, Mechanised Infantry battalions and a single Airborne Infantry battalion distributed across the the operational divisions and brigades. Despite the word "Ranger", they are not commandos or special forces. It comes from a traditional line dating back to the British colonial days. -
Thanks for answering my question!Originally posted by John Ching:Lifers refers to guys who sign on with the military till they retire.
Why can't you accept the fact that your army is being recognised as a professional force?
Actually i find it very difficult to believe. -
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interesting stuff.of course,the discussion has kind of deviated from the original subject.
so basically,everyone has a good impression of the individual American soldier.Is that it? -
According to my Messing warrent, they did trained with my brigade, i think US Marines, they were good enuff to finish off my brigade (with bns lar) in 2 jrs during a coastal hook i think, but they are abit siao one lar
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Sorry but i don't quite understand. Please explain more detailly. Thanks!Originally posted by Geforce3:According to my Messing warrent, they did trained with my brigade, i think US Marines, they were good enuff to finish off my brigade (with bns lar) in 2 jrs during a coastal hook i think, but they are abit siao one lar
You mean the US Marines annihilated your brigade in just 2 hours. WOW!
They are really that good. Have a Singaporean army unit ever in the history of the SAF ever win against the US Marines before? What is the casualty rate 1(US Marine) to 20(Singaporean Soldier)? 
What do you mean by (they are abit siao one lar)? -
How would the Marines, fare, let's say in a jungle environment fighting a loosely spread out OpFor?
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Well, the marines had their amphibious tanks, coupled that with the fact that we were waiting for them in the wrong place hahha. More details i can't give u since it was my messing warrent who told me thisOriginally posted by want to know:Sorry but i don't quite understand. Please explain more detailly. Thanks!
You mean the US Marines annihilated your brigade in just 2 hours. WOW! They are really that good. Have a Singaporean army unit ever in the history of the SAF ever win against the US Marines before? What is the casualty rate 1(US Marine) to 20(Singaporean Soldier)?
What do you mean by (they are abit siao one lar)? -
Its not your soldiers fault for lossing to the jar-heads. Jar-heads don't believe in fighting in small force or fighting fair for that matter. Even their new Spec Ops trainning is much different from other Spec Ops trainning.Originally posted by Geforce3:Well, the marines had their amphibious tanks, coupled that with the fact that we were waiting for them in the wrong place hahha. More details i can't give u since it was my messing warrent who told me this
Instead of a small group of 4,7 or 14 men Spec Op trainning, MARINEs train in 14, 28 or a whole bat trainning, including gunships & naval fire power. -
there was once a downed pilot in Bosnia(true story arh...not the movie one)
the marines came in with everything...artillery....troops....gunships....
as long as it gets the job done
and thus comes the saying....
Cracking a peanut with a sledgehammer..
and not forgetting....
shock and awe...
THE END....
Oh yuh...during Gulf War 1... A marine force was playing Angel of Death from Slayer(with amps on their HUMVEES) while attacking Saddam's forces....(I'm really NOT kidding)
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Sidestep>
You said your dream is to be an infantryman? Gee, you're not a very ambitious guy, are you? You just want to be cannon fodder? : )
I'm infantry platoon runner (reservist) - though there are a lot of very memorable and fun moments, it would never be my dream. Especially digging trenches from 4pm till 4am, stand-to at first light and then filling up and carrying hundreds of sandbags all of next morning.
I think one of the best combat jobs would be scouts, whether infantry or Guards. -
gotta start somewhere rite?....anywaes.....i still can apply to go ranger..Originally posted by tvdog:Sidestep>
You said your dream is to be an infantryman? Gee, you're not a very ambitious guy, are you? You just want to be cannon fodder? : )
I'm infantry platoon runner (reservist) - though there are a lot of very memorable and fun moments, it would never be my dream. Especially digging trenches from 4pm till 4am, stand-to at first light and then filling up and carrying hundreds of sandbags all of next morning.
I think one of the best combat jobs would be scouts, whether infantry or Guards.
anywaes on ure comment on infantry being cannon fodder.....well every unit is cannon fodder....scouts are also cannon fodder to the company/unit/brigade/battalion they are in...Guards and CDO are cannon fodder to the whole SAF too....everyone is expendable.....well....its not like i wanna be an infantryman and dig trenches here and there...i wannna lead/command infantrymen...
anywaes...most importantly...everyone is important...no matter how screwed his job is...somebody has to do it.... -
No, we rather actively avoid being cannon fodder - why do you think we operate in such small numbers?Originally posted by sidestep1984:CDO are cannon fodder to the whole SAF too -
ok..let me rephrase....everyone is expendable....Originally posted by Gedanken:No, we rather actively avoid being cannon fodder - why do you think we operate in such small numbers? -
When there's just four of you in the middle of nowhere, and a chopper extraction is a few days away at best, expendability becomes a luxury.
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Back to the main topic, just ran into a fellow from the 82nd Airborne a couple of days ago when I dropped by the Specialist's Mess. Nice enough fellow, but he spent most of his time in North Carolina and Hawaii and he seemed a bit bewildered by Asia.
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the all americans......Originally posted by Gedanken:Back to the main topic, just ran into a fellow from the 82nd Airborne a couple of days ago when I dropped by the Specialist's Mess. Nice enough fellow, but he spent most of his time in North Carolina and Hawaii and he seemed a bit bewildered by Asia.
i think it would be the same if singaporean soldiers were to go to the US for training..they'd feel bewildered and i guess suakoo too? -
I expect it's a personal thing. I've had no problems adjust in the US, UK or Australia, and much of it is thanks to the existing Western influence in Singapore. Then again, I haven't been to South Africa or Brazil, so I may yet be bewildered.
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whole new world and cultures out there...lol...Originally posted by Gedanken:I expect it's a personal thing. I've had no problems adjust in the US, UK or Australia, and much of it is thanks to the existing Western influence in Singapore. Then again, I haven't been to South Africa or Brazil, so I may yet be bewildered. -
Originally posted by tvdog:
haha... agreed...
I think one of the best combat jobs would be scouts, whether infantry or Guards.[/b]
