US Marine Execute Unarmed Wound Prisoner
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Another US Marine lost his
and perform another "professional" job.
Wondering how much more such " professionalism " that went unreported or covered up.
US. Military Probes Shooting of Iraqi in Falluja
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military has begun an investigation into possible war crimes after a television pool report by NBC showed a Marine shooting dead a wounded and unarmed Iraqi in a Falluja mosque, officials said on Monday.
The Iraqi was one of five wounded left in the mosque after Marines fought their way in on Friday and Saturday. The U.S. military has accused insurgents in Iraq (news - web sites) of using mosques to launch attacks against American forces.
U.S. forces, along with Iraqi government troops, launched an offensive one week ago on Falluja, and have gained overall control of the formerly rebel-held city, although scattered resistance remains.
Maj. Douglas Powell, a Marine Corps spokesman at the Pentagon (news - web sites), said the investigation, being conducted by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, focused on "possible law of war violations" by U.S. Marines.
The pool report by NBC correspondent Kevin Sites said the mosque had been used by insurgents to attack U.S. forces, who stormed it and an adjacent building, killing 10 militants and wounding the five.
Sites said the wounded had been left in the mosque for others to pick up and move to the rear for treatment. No reason was given why that had not happened.
A second group of Marines entered the mosque on Saturday after reports it had been reoccupied. Footage from the embedded television crew showed the five still in the mosque, although several appeared to be already close to death, Sites said.
He said one Marine noticed one of the prisoners was still breathing.
A Marine can be heard saying on the pool footage provided to Reuters Television: "He's f***ing faking he's dead. He faking he's f***ing dead."
"The Marine then raises his rifle and fires into the man's head. The pictures are too graphic for us to broadcast," Sites said. No images of the shooting were shown in the footage provided to Reuters.
The report said the Marine had returned to duty after being shot in the face a day earlier.
Sites said the shot prisoner "did not appear to be armed or threatening in any way."
Powell said the investigation was ongoing and no charges had yet been brought against any of the Marines.
"As soon as the video was brought to the attention of the Marines Corps leadership by the reporter, they immediately pulled the unit off the front lines and launched an investigation," Powell said.
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3 More Unarmed Wounded Prisoners was executed
The fact that the Marine lieutenant after hearing the shoots, asked the question whether the Iraqis were armed - implied that such “ professionalism “ have happen before
So much for US Marine professionalism
U.S. to Probe Shooting of Wounded Iraqi
8 minutes ago Middle East - AP
By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer
NEW YORK - A U.S. Marine shot and killed a wounded and apparently unarmed Iraqi prisoner in a mosque in the former insurgent stronghold of Fallujah, according to dramatic pool television pictures broadcast Monday. A Marine spokesman in Washington said the shooting was under investigation.
The shooting Saturday was videotaped by pool correspondent Kevin Sites of NBC television, who said three other previously wounded prisoners in the mosque apparently also had been shot again by the Marines inside the mosque.
The incident played out as the Marines 3rd Battalion, 1st Regiment, returned to the unidentified Fallujah mosque Saturday. Sites was embedded with the unit.
Sites reported that a different Marine unit had come under fire from the mosque on Friday. Those Marines stormed the building, killing ten men and wounding five others, Sites said. The Marines said the fighters in the mosque had been armed with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 rifles.
The Marines had treated the wounded, he reported, left them behind and continued on Friday with their drive to retake the city from insurgents who have been battling U.S.-led occupation forces in Iraq (news - web sites) with increasing ferocity and violence in recent months.
On the video as the camera moved into the mosque during the Saturday incident, a Marine can be heard shouting obscenities in the background, yelling that one of the men was only pretending to be dead.
The video then showed a Marine raising his rifle toward a prisoner laying on the floor of the mosque but neither NBC nor CNN showed the bullet hitting the man. At that moment the video was blacked out but the report of the rifle could be heard.
The blacked out portion of the video tape, provided later to Associated Press Television News and other members of the network pool, showed the bullet striking the man in the upper body, possibly the head. His blood splatters on the wall behind him and his body goes limp.
Sites reported a Marine in the same unit had been killed just a day earlier when he tended to the booby-trapped dead body of an insurgent.
The events on the videotape began as some of the Marines from the unit accompanied by Sites approached the mosque on Saturday, a day after it was stormed by other Marines.
Gunfire can be heard from inside the mosque, and at its entrance, Marines who were already in the building emerge. They are asked by an approaching Marine lieutenant if there were insurgents inside and if the Marines had shot any of them. A Marine can be heard responding affirmatively. The lieutenant then asks if they were armed and fellow Marine shrugs.
Sites' account said the wounded men, who he said were prisoners and who were hurt in the previous day's attack, had been shot again by the Marines on the Saturday visit.
The videotape showed two of the wounded men propped against the wall and Sites said they were bleeding to death. According his report, a third wounded man appeared already dead, while a fourth was severely wounded but breathing. The fifth was covered by a blanket but did not appear to have been shot again after the Marines returned. It was the fourth man who was shown being shot.
A spokesman at Marine Corps headquarters in the Pentagon (news - web sites), Maj. Doug Powell, said the incident was "being investigated." He had no further details, other than to confirm the incident happened on Saturday and that the Marines involved were part of the 1st Marine Division.
The CNN broadcast of the pictures used pixilation to cover parts of the video that could lead to public identification of the Marines involved.
NBC's Robert Padavick told members of the U.S. television pool that the Pentagon had ordered NBC and other pool members to make sure the Marines identity was hidden because "they (the military authorities) are anticipating a criminal investigation as a result of this incident and do not want to implicate anybody ahead of that."
In New York, NBC spokeswoman Allison Gollust said the network did not broadcast the prisoner being shot because of the "graphic nature" of the video. -
Picture of the execution of one of Iraqi wounded prisoners
Bodies in the foreground are other executed Iraqi prisoners .
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fuck man thats really fucking rude.
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Just as the media's love of reporting ugly stories only, you guys chose to condamn the MARINEs without asking why?
It was reported a few days back that Iraqi militants in Falluja were holding out white flags indicating surrender. When the MARINEs came out from their cover to acknowledge their surrender, this militants with the white flags opened fire on the MARINEs. So now I ask you, if you were in Falluja at this moment as a MARINE, are you able to tell me how you're going to react when you see an Iraqi you've been fighting then appears dead & unarmed but yet moving?
IRA, DENIS HEANEY, shot dead by SAS outside the 7.20 bar. He was unarmed, SAS tropper claimed he was about to shoot them. And there are more questionable shootings by SAS, yet most of you still look upon them as professionals. -
In WAR there is no right or wrong. Only survive or dead.
A well equipped soldier can be killed by an unarmed kid.
U will never know the ending until the last split second.
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It's the grey area of combat, Rules of armed conflict. Even lawyers can have trouble interpreting them as to application to all the variable scenarios so it's expected of the grunts.
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When in doubt in a hostile area, shoot 1st, ask questions later.
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Vietnam. Mai Lai Village. 'Nuff said.
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On the video, as the camera moved into the mosque during the Saturday incident, a Marine can be heard shouting obscenities in the background, yelling that one of the men was only pretending to be dead.
"He's (expletive) faking he's dead!"
"Yeah, he's breathing," another Marine is heard saying.
"He's faking he's (expletive) dead!" the first Marine says.
The video then showed a Marine raising his rifle toward a prisoner lying on the floor of the mosque. The video shown by NBC and provided to the network pool was blacked out at that point and did not show the bullet hitting the man. But a rifle shot could be heard.
"He's dead now," a Marine is heard saying.
The blacked out portion of the video tape, provided later to Associated Press Television News and other members of the network pool, showed the bullet striking the man in the upper body, possibly the head. His blood splatters on the wall behind him and his body goes limp.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=3&u=/ap/20041116/ap_on_re_mi_ea/fallujah_prisoner_shot -
Both sides have not played by the rules and now the media wants to crucify the Marines?I wonder who is funding them these days.
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The correct designation for the village which the troops of 2nd PLT, 11th Inf Bde, Americal Div, under the command of LT William L.Calley JR massacred is My Lai-4, a sub-hamlet of the Son My Village.Originally posted by HENG@:Vietnam. Mai Lai Village. 'Nuff said.
Thanks for the Singlification of My Lai.
The trial took 3 years, and LT Calley recieved life imprisonment with hard labour. After review it was reduced to 20 years, then 10. He was released after serving 3 1/2 years under house arrest.
The only stand out thing about the whole affair was the small tiny matter of the pressmen attached to the unit who documented the whole thing.
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It is not for a observer to judge on the actions of men who have taken prisoner those who have inflicted causualties on their comrades.Originally posted by thinger:fuck man thats really fucking rude.
For only those who saw their comrade, a person who trained, fought with, shared ciggerates with, and other such things can know the horror when the comrade is killed.
Try this: If you had the killer of Huang Na in front of you right now, and no body was around to see you doing whatever you wanted to do.... what would you do?
For extra effect, try to imagine a loved one having being killed by the person.
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Fallujah is no Mai Lai, and you should read up history first before making this comparison.Originally posted by HENG@:Vietnam. Mai Lai Village. 'Nuff said.
The US forces did these terrorists favours by sending them to paradize to meet their 72 virgins. They should show more gratitude instead.
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excecuting an unarmed wounded man is a no no. The Marines r pros who r supposed to BEHAVE like pros, not engage in such acts of massacre. stooping to their level makes it that much harder to take the moral high ground. And My Lai is cited as an example of Marines losing their professionalism b4, not a comparism between fallujah.Originally posted by stealthguy:Fallujah is no Mai Lai, and you should read up history first before making this comparison.
The US forces did these terrorists favours by sending them to paradize to meet their 72 virgins. They should show more gratitude instead.
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Hmm! May you never have to be in the shoes of that MARINE who at that time of incident was having emotional & physical stress brought on by days of combat & incidents of near death situation, to remember the reputation of your unit.Originally posted by HENG@:excecuting an unarmed wounded man is a no no. The Marines r pros who r supposed to BEHAVE like pros, not engage in such acts of massacre. stooping to their level makes it that much harder to take the moral high ground. And My Lai is cited as an example of Marines losing their professionalism b4, not a comparism between fallujah.
You may also want to critize the policeman in the following story who also didn't consider the reputation of his force when he pleaded for his life, the enemy still killed him heartlessly.
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I say we kill them all and let god sort them out.
Its all about the freakin ratings!If no such news,people will be tired of the war in iraq,and viewership goes down.Pure and Simple!Do these press people understand how difficult it is to shoot a fellow human being with a weapon instead of a goddamn videocam?Do they?No they freaking don't.Although shooting an unarmed and injured man is wrong,how about these insurgents who behead people?Who gives them political approval?What the marines are doing are to save their own lives.DO the people at home know that?Do the politicians know that?They don't!As they are not out in the warzone where the metal meets the meat!They don't die,some trooper will die.Not these politicians and their families at home.
Thus,it is justifiable that a through investigation should be conducted before any such accusations are made.Screw the media!Screw them all!!! -
KNN, CCB!!!!! USA IS INHUMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SERVE THEM RIGHT TO KENA 911
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Professionalism in war is to destroy the enemy with minimal losses. The only unprofessional act was that they allowed the media to film them.Originally posted by HENG@:excecuting an unarmed wounded man is a no no. The Marines r pros who r supposed to BEHAVE like pros, not engage in such acts of massacre. stooping to their level makes it that much harder to take the moral high ground. And My Lai is cited as an example of Marines losing their professionalism b4, not a comparism between fallujah.
These "prisoners" are obviously terrorists. The US soldiers are correct in dispensing summary justice on them. If they are ready for war, they should be ready to accept death.
Thanks to the Iraq invasion, all the terrorists wannabees are dying to prove them there, thereby diverting attacks around the world. -
My Lai was a stain in the Army's Vietnam war record, not Marine.
Any personnel, uniformed or not, who takes up arms against the opposition is no longer a civilian and is legally a combatant. -
Shades of what the invading Japs did at Alexander Hospital.
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Hmm.Originally posted by SpecOps87:I say we kill them all and let god sort them out.
Thus,it is justifiable that a through investigation should be conducted before any such accusations are made.Screw the media!Screw them all!!!
battle in fallujah = offshoot of Gulf War II.
Gulf War II = offshoot of "The Afghan Adventure Part II"
Afghan Adventure = Offshoot of 9/11.
So if we follow the trail.... who's responsible?
Mr SpecOps you sure like to screw people, don't you.
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Perhaps you failed to read the little post i made back there.Originally posted by HENG@:excecuting an unarmed wounded man is a no no. The Marines r pros who r supposed to BEHAVE like pros, not engage in such acts of massacre. stooping to their level makes it that much harder to take the moral high ground. And My Lai is cited as an example of Marines losing their professionalism b4, not a comparism between fallujah.
The My Lai incident was an Army incident, not an Marine incident.
And as such, the perpertrator, namely LT Calley did not go to any Marine facility to recieve training, nor was the Corps responsible for him.
Basic training at Ft Bliss, TX and clerical school at Ft Lewis, finishing with OCS at Ft Benning.
Are any of those installations USMC facilities?
And.....
What part of
1st PLT
11th Infantry Brigade
Americal Division
is in any way connected to the United States Marine Corps?
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forget it. im glad to know we have so many inhuman people in Singapore.Originally posted by John Ching:Hmm! May you never have to be in the shoes of that MARINE who at that time of incident was having emotional & physical stress brought on by days of combat & incidents of near death situation, to remember the reputation of your unit.
You may also want to critize the policeman in the following story who also didn't consider the reputation of his force when he pleaded for his life, the enemy still killed him heartlessly.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/4015917.stm -
Actually, I think S'poreans are far more human then most. S'porean knows that theres a war in Iraq, they know jolly well that they can't change the events of the world. So they don't waste time & effort on doing stupid things like protesting or marching along the road, etc. Instead, most S'porean concentrate on taking care of themselves & their families & that is being very realistic.Originally posted by HENG@:forget it. im glad to know we have so many inhuman people in Singapore.