Ways to perform combat reloading?
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Hi all,
Am sure most are familiar with doing combat reloading with the M16/Car-15/M4 series of smallarms right?It is done by dropping the empty mag,shoving a loaded mag and then slapping the ease-spring to chamber a round right?
My question here is how to perform a combat reloading for the SAR21 and Ultimax 100?Thanks. -
As long as you do not follow the IPSC matter of reloading, you won't go wrong.
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You depress mag catch.
You pull the empty mag out.
You pull one full mag from your webbing.
Align the mag with the mag well.
slam in with force.
pull the handle to let the darn thing go forward. -
Originally posted by SpecOps87:
It's not the "ease-spring"
Hi all,
Am sure most are familiar with doing combat reloading with the M16/Car-15/M4 series of smallarms right?It is done by dropping the empty mag,shoving a loaded mag and then slapping the[b] ease-spring to chamber a round right?
b]
It's the bolt catch.[/b] -
go to the army and u will learn lah...fantasize so much now for wat ?
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do you guys load 30 rounds or 28? apparently with 28 rounds you can seat the mag more easily as compared with a 30-rounder.
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i very kiasu.. i usually load 31 rounds ( blanks )
Originally posted by palmerised:do you guys load 30 rounds or 28? apparently with 28 rounds you can seat the mag more easily as compared with a 30-rounder. -
Not sure for SAW but my experience with SAR21 is that the magazine is rather awkwardly designed in such a manner that one cannot unload it as easily as the M16. It takes lots of practice to do it at nearly the same speed since the magazine catch is located at the back and not on the side like M16. Other than that, the procedure is the same as M16. One big problem about the SAR21 though is that it is not Left Handed friendly and too much components to look out for. Also now that is has no bayonet clip, really worry when it comes to close quaters combat.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Hi all,
Am sure most are familiar with doing combat reloading with the M16/Car-15/M4 series of smallarms right?It is done by dropping the empty mag,shoving a loaded mag and then slapping the ease-spring to chamber a round right?
My question here is how to perform a combat reloading for the SAR21 and Ultimax 100?Thanks. -
Actually the logic behind not loading the entire mag fully with 30 rounds is that to reduce IA.When you load 30 rounds into a 30 round mag,chances are that that tension of the spring will not be strong enough to boost the rounds into the chamber to be fired.Thus,loading 28 is fine.
Besides,few people actually load a round into the chamber and then remove the mag for put one more round in. -
In no part of my basic training was any part of the M16 ever referred to as "ease spring".Originally posted by SpecOps87:Actually the logic behind not loading the entire mag fully with 30 rounds is that to reduce IA.When you load 30 rounds into a 30 round mag,chances are that that tension of the spring will not be strong enough to boost the rounds into the chamber to be fired.Thus,loading 28 is fine.
Besides,few people actually load a round into the chamber and then remove the mag for put one more round in.
Well you may be interested to know that for example the MP5 series of submachine guns may not accept your 30 round magazine if the bolt carrier is foward, such as in a situation when you may be performing a tactical reload with a round in the chamber still.
And i've yet to come across a rifle that has "30 + 1" referred to as it's magazine capacity. -
i have never yet performed a tactical reload by wasting my time pulling the empty mag out. depressing the mag catch is enough. oh btw if u r talking about m16? wad handle r u talking abt? charging handle?Originally posted by Johnston:You depress mag catch.
You pull the empty mag out.
You pull one full mag from your webbing.
Align the mag with the mag well.
slam in with force.
pull the handle to let the darn thing go forward. -
universal round
bang bang bang
no reload required. -
mention about sar21, i went thru the conversion course during my reservist.
if you ask me how to strip it, i complete forget liao
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Hey guyz, I noe there's a really cool feature of HK guns in which the trademark "HK tap" is done.. It's sth like u hit the top of the gun after loading in a fresh mag yeah? and it gives a satisfying bolt sound.. Anyone care to explain wad is actually done in the entire process? I onlie see from the movies.. They epty mag, put one in, then tap the gun (usually MP5) on the top wif a clenched fist..
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30 + 1 is entirely possible.
One round in the chamber, then put in a fresh 30 round mag. That's what kiasu US police usually do with their sidearms while on patrol. This way they get one extra round of ammo.
But not loading to full 30 is the advice of people who are used to operating with live rounds. What someone mentioned about the spring being not strong enough is entirely true - especially with older mags.
Loading a mag with 30 round of SAF plastic blanks is OK as the plastic blanks are light. Live rounds are heavier. -
thats actually a charging handle of some sort to bring the HK bolt carrier group forward..Originally posted by dRaKe86:Hey guyz, I noe there's a really cool feature of HK guns in which the trademark "HK tap" is done.. It's sth like u hit the top of the gun after loading in a fresh mag yeah? and it gives a satisfying bolt sound.. Anyone care to explain wad is actually done in the entire process? I onlie see from the movies.. They epty mag, put one in, then tap the gun (usually MP5) on the top wif a clenched fist..
u may find wat u want here...
its called tactical reloading or something....the term can be found in the game SWAT3...forgot wat its called.. -
That is the "HK Slap".Originally posted by sidestep1984:thats actually a charging handle of some sort to bring the HK bolt carrier group forward..
u may find wat u want here...
its called tactical reloading or something....the term can be found in the game SWAT3...forgot wat its called..
The term can be found in the HK MP5 Operator's manual.
The correct term for that is "cocking lever".
There are two ways to load a HK MP5.
Adminstrative loading (chamber clear, cocking lever locked to the rear, safety on)
Insert magazine into magazine well.
Tug on magazine to ensure it's fully seated.
With the non-firing hand. slap the lever out of the notch in ONE motion.
DO NOT RIDE THE LEVER FORWARD OR THE ROUND MAY NOT FULLY CHAMBER
Tactical reloading:
Note 1: a 30 round magazine overfilled with 31 rounds cannot be seated in the well with the bolt forward.
Note 2: If the action is not carried out with aggression, a 30 round magazine may prove difficult to seat in the well with the bolt forward.
Transition to back up weapon if immediate threat is present.
Stay alert.
Signal partner that you need to reload.
Seek cover.
Tilt, rack, and lock.
Secure loaded mag (BEFORE removing)
Remove empty/half empty magazine.
LOAD.
slap lever forward.
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Yes if you can get the magazine of the SAR21 to drop out by simply depressing the catch.Originally posted by duajia:i have never yet performed a tactical reload by wasting my time pulling the empty mag out. depressing the mag catch is enough. oh btw if u r talking about m16? wad handle r u talking abt? charging handle?
Note that the thread starter explicitly asked for the procedure of the SAR21, not the M16.
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Hmm.Originally posted by dRaKe86:Hey guyz, I noe there's a really cool feature of HK guns in which the trademark "HK tap" is done.. It's sth like u hit the top of the gun after loading in a fresh mag yeah? and it gives a satisfying bolt sound.. Anyone care to explain wad is actually done in the entire process? I onlie see from the movies.. They epty mag, put one in, then tap the gun (usually MP5) on the top wif a clenched fist..
You could whack the MP5 on a hard surface and the cocking lever might never slap forward.
Well you can see above for "How to reload".
Anyway here are a few video clips.
This is an example of tactical reloading.
http://www.hkpro.com/video/HK94.mov
This is an example of how you'd make the cocking handle of the SAR21 go forward if it's in the forward position.
http://www.hkpro.com/video/G36.mov
Disclaimer: EXAMPLE. I do not, did not, and will not say, imply, suggest that the clip of the G36 is in anyway representative of the actual way to do the process on an SAR21. -
While we're at it.
Example of adminstrative loading of a pistol.
Slide forward, chamber empty.
http://www.hkpro.com/video/USP45.mov
example of tactical reloading
(Slide locked back, chamber empty)
http://www.hkpro.com/video/Mark%2023-MK23.mov -
so am i right to say that that slap is just to bring the charging bolt forward..
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Yes, you're right. For your info, theres really no need to slap the charging handle/ cocking handle, to load the weapon. Just release it from its catch/ housing/ whatever you want to name it, & the charging bolt will slam home.Originally posted by palmerised:so am i right to say that that slap is just to bring the charging bolt forward.. -
However do not ride the darned thing forward, because you are scared that the bolt might break.Originally posted by John Ching:Yes, you're right. For your info, theres really no need to slap the charging handle/ cocking handle, to load the weapon. Just release it from its catch/ housing/ whatever you want to name it, & the charging bolt will slam home. -
Actually its not true. There is nothing wrong with the spring of the m16/m4 mags. The fault lies in the speed of the bolt carrier.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Actually the logic behind not loading the entire mag fully with 30 rounds is that to reduce IA.When you load 30 rounds into a 30 round mag,chances are that that tension of the spring will not be strong enough to boost the rounds into the chamber to be fired.Thus,loading 28 is fine.
Besides,few people actually load a round into the chamber and then remove the mag for put one more round in.
Heehee....! M16 was designed for the purpose of having a weapon with the option of firing at semi-auto & single shot. The problem is, the spring in the magazine is design to feed the rounds for firing auto mode. So when you're firing 30 rounds on single mode, the spring in the mag is pushing the rounds upwards faster then the bolt can eject the empty cartridge.
Then again, nothing is perfect. Just as long as you don't encounter a chamber explosion during firing, just go on shooting the way you do.
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(thinks back to RTH theory)
RECRUIT!
WHAT IS THIS LITTLE THING ON THE SIDE OF THE M16?!??????
SGT! IT IS CALLED A EASE-SPRING!
WRONG!
Knock it down now!
Ah.
And if you got that wrong, you will be telling the sgt that the coily thing in the butt is a motorcycle suspension spring or a bouncy thing.