Enlist CPLs vvs SISPEC CPL
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Hi,
Which kind of CPL is more experience in field craft and techniques? IS there a distingsion? Can an enlist CPL become a 3SG? -
Promotion??? HA HA HA!!! How about an enlisted promoted to be an officer?
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From what I know A vehicle and B vehicle technicians are promoted to CPL after their course and are promoted to 3SG after six months. I have heard there will be changes to this system where promotion to 3SG is not guaranteed.
Since these technicians are from service side and are unlikely to be well-versed in fieldcraft. -
i think if enlist cpl want to become 3sgt sect comd. die die must complete sispec.
coz' sispec not only teaches you fieldcrafts, but leadership skills that are needed as a junior commander. -
Ha-ha-ha.Originally posted by nextdayagain:Promotion??? HA HA HA!!! How about an enlisted promoted to be an officer?
Ever heard of Cross-Over scheme?
It is a program whereby the best of the best are selected for OCS.
Yes, it's very possible. -
What's your obsession with promotion? The higher you go the lonelier you become.
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Not true. It depends how well a leader is recieved by his/her subordinates, i.e. leadership skills.Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:What's your obsession with promotion? The higher you go the lonelier you become.
Being promoted does have its rewards, e.g. better treatment, own ego satisfied, more challenging task, better pay, etc. -
HA HA HA. Winning TOTO 1st division is easier than being selected for cross-over. How many people??Originally posted by Johnston:Ha-ha-ha.
Ever heard of Cross-Over scheme?
It is a program whereby the best of the best are selected for OCS.
Yes, it's very possible. -
The term Specialist can and should not be limited exculsivly to combat related vocations.If that is the case, I might as well trust a supply assistant to work with artillery maintenance and MG repair / troubleshooting work.Weapons and transportation technicians need the 3SG rank for the simple reason that they are specially trained in their field, plus the fact that they may have to be in a position to liase often with external units/MACs(MINDEF-Approved Contractors).Armed escorts also require 3SGs to be present, which is why the rank was probably instituted for the military engineers in the first place.I would not put a technician in charge of a infantry/ATGM platoon or section, and vice-versa I do not expect a Guards PS to know the intricacies of LMIS and how it ties in with the whole SAF's Activity Based Budgeting process.We all have different roles, to promote one at the expense of the other seems to me to be a jockey race for career mileage at the management level.Originally posted by 12qwaszx:i think if enlist cpl want to become 3sgt sect comd. die die must complete sispec.
coz' sispec not only teaches you fieldcrafts, but leadership skills that are needed as a junior commander. -
Well I'll be making CPL in 3 weeks... Wonder how it feels...
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yeah, fully agreed with what you said.Originally posted by LazerLordz:The term Specialist can and should not be limited exculsivly to combat related vocations.If that is the case, I might as well trust a supply assistant to work with artillery maintenance and MG repair / troubleshooting work.Weapons and transportation technicians need the 3SG rank for the simple reason that they are specially trained in their field, plus the fact that they may have to be in a position to liase often with external units/MACs(MINDEF-Approved Contractors).Armed escorts also require 3SGs to be present, which is why the rank was probably instituted for the military engineers in the first place.I would not put a technician in charge of a infantry/ATGM platoon or section, and vice-versa I do not expect a Guards PS to know the intricacies of LMIS and how it ties in with the whole SAF's Activity Based Budgeting process.We all have different roles, to promote one at the expense of the other seems to me to be a jockey race for career mileage at the management level.
Maybe it would be clearer for me to say that for an enlisted cpl to become a 3sgt in a COMBAT vocation die die have to go thru' sispec. That's what i meant.
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Yea. Changes in the system coming up soon, but unconfirmed.Originally posted by chengyu:From what I know A vehicle and B vehicle technicians are promoted to CPL after their course and are promoted to 3SG after six months. I have heard there will be changes to this system where promotion to 3SG is not guaranteed.
Since these technicians are from service side and are unlikely to be well-versed in fieldcraft.
Present reports suggests that most techs would be CPLs, only those deemed having leadership skills would be sent to SISPEC to undergo 3SG course for promotion
This would be very much better as we can now differentiate those NSFs with leadership capabilities but unable to hold a combat 3SG rank due to reasons. It also seperates them from the 'men', i.e. CPLs. Imagine an entire section of 3SGs, and the section IC is also a 3SG
Talk about command and control issue huh. -
Yes.In relation to a combat related vocation, this is a good way of letting those people who might have been overlooked during leadership selection a second chance at command roles.For others, it's worth remembering that SISPEC is School of Infantry Specialists.Originally posted by 12qwaszx:yeah, fully agreed with what you said.
Maybe it would be clearer for me to say that for an enlisted cpl to become a 3sgt in a COMBAT vocation die die have to go thru' sispec. That's what i meant. -
The crux of the matter is that there is a chance.Originally posted by nextdayagain:HA HA HA. Winning TOTO 1st division is easier than being selected for cross-over. How many people??
Is there a chance to win TOTO?
Yes.
And that's why people go line up.
Or would you prefer no chance at all?
How many people?
The answer is: the people that really want to cross-over.
And those are the people they want.