Say good bye to A4SU.
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no more french hopefully
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Emm... Seems like getting USA... Only French item left is SP... Majority US itemsOriginally posted by xiao_p:no more french hopefully -
I hope we get the Eurofighter, because we have seen a lot of good weapon system out of the euro side. Yep the super-cruise is something we need, and its agilie performance which the other 2 fighters cannot match.Originally posted by SpecOps87:For some reason unknown,I am quite curious on why there seems to be a lack of support for the Rafale.And btw,is the Rafale single or double engined?
Btw,the reason I chose the EuroFighter is beacuse it has the ability to "super-cruise" as in cruise at supersonic speeds,unlike other aircrafts which can only sustain supersonic flight for short periods of time and has the ability to be armed with the StormShadow cruise missile,which can be used from extended ranges if our neighbours decides to become naughty one day..And also,if you were to pick the F15,I read from some webby and the F15 guzzles alot of fuel.
Also it will break trend of us getting US fighters, which will get us better bargains for the F-35. -
Dun bet on this... They are trying to get rid of Europe also... Might be like Sth Korea's case... Just keep your fingers cross... If we get EF2000, it would be wasteful if it is only used for short term as it may be replaced by F-35 in 2012, 5-6 years after usageOriginally posted by storywolf:Also it will break trend of us getting US fighters, which will get us better bargains for the F-35. -
But the A4-Su will be replaced by which aircraft?Originally posted by Manager433:Not many people knows that our A4SU skyhawk detachment in France will not be flying back once the lease of the base is up.
They will be scrape or donate to museum in France once RSAF gets the replacement of the new fighter. -
Originally posted by larrenV2.003:
The highly likely plane will be in talks with SAF by now for terms and deals...
[b]But the A4-Su will be replaced by which aircraft?[/b] -
Originally posted by larrenV2.003:
my guess will be the rafale.
[b]But the A4-Su will be replaced by which aircraft?[/b] -
I'm leaning towards the Rafale.
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Few countries develop better then 1 ...
F-15 too old..
i'll bet on the Euro Fighter..
French Aircraft...considering their military history during WWI and WWII...
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I take on F-15 for the able sharing of F-16 weapons... Also that of short term usage if F-35 is going to be usedOriginally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Few countries develop better then 1 ...
F-15 too old..
i'll bet on the Euro Fighter..
French Aircraft...considering their military history during WWI and WWII...
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Who knows, they might decide to break the purchase tranche into half F-15 and half EF2000.The F-15s do have the advantage of ebing able to share spares and weapon software with our large F-16 fleet, while the EF2000 will provide the basis for further aircraft research and perform the role of a medium-range interceptor over urban areas.
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It is very unlikely that we will buy two tranches. this is what the RMAF would have done.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Who knows, they might decide to break the purchase tranche into half F-15 and half EF2000.The F-15s do have the advantage of ebing able to share spares and weapon software with our large F-16 fleet, while the EF2000 will provide the basis for further aircraft research and perform the role of a medium-range interceptor over urban areas.
I think the RSAF are always concern about operating too many aircraft types, that is probably why we "give" our F16A and Bs to the Thais so to streamline our F16 fleet to C/Ds. So I don't think we will opertae the EF and F15 concurrently, it will be one or the other or the Rafale (my fav).
I think the optimal a/c type for the RSAF is probably two to three or maybe three with one type either phasing in or phasing out. Like currently there is three types with the A4s slowly phasing out, about a decade ago the F16 was phasing in and the Hunter was phasing out. so at one time we are operating 4 a/c types.
Hunter
A4S
F5E
F16A
So future orbat should be
F5S/T (phasing out)
F16C/D
F15E
NGF (??)
And going forward when the F35 is available:
F16C/D (only Blk 52s remaining - slowly phase out
F15E
NGF (??)
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Originally posted by larrenV2.003:
Once RSAF decides which type of a/c to buy and these A4 will be retire. And will not return to sillypore.
[b]But the A4-Su will be replaced by which aircraft?[/b] -
Em... Hunter have been no more Hunters liaoOriginally posted by spencer99:It is very unlikely that we will buy two tranches. this is what the RMAF would have done.
I think the RSAF are always concern about operating too many aircraft types, that is probably why we "give" our F16A and Bs to the Thais so to streamline our F16 fleet to C/Ds. So I don't think we will opertae the EF and F15 concurrently, it will be one or the other or the Rafale (my fav).
I think the optimal a/c type for the RSAF is probably two to three or maybe three with one type either phasing in or phasing out. Like currently there is three types with the A4s slowly phasing out, about a decade ago the F16 was phasing in and the Hunter was phasing out. so at one time we are operating 4 a/c types.
Hunter
A4S
F5E
F16A
So future orbat should be
F5S/T (phasing out)
F16C/D
F15E
NGF (??)
And going forward when the F35 is available:
F16C/D (only Blk 52s remaining - slowly phase out
F15E
NGF (??)
F-35
I go for F-15, save weapon and training cost... EF2000 may later be overbeaten by F-35 which is stealthy -
Yep.Optimum orbat right now would be
F-5S/T
F-16C/D Block 52 (perhaps Block 60 in the near future as mid-life replacement)
F-15T (to hold the fort until the Viper replacements come in)
F-35
We look like the USAF then..Wonder what will replace the Vipers if RSAF does not go for Block 60 or some local upgrade 10yrs down the line..Any chance of a UCAV or F/A-22 reaching our shores to replace the Viper in Air Dominance role?Slim right..But you might never know.. -
F-15 is kind of big compared to Rafale and Eurofighter, both in height and wingspan. Too bulky liao, me dun like.
Personally would prefer Eurofighter, but Rafale seems a more likely choice.
Btw, good riddance to the A4s, so Lkk... look like relics next to F-16s. Camo and fighters dun go well together. Got to deploy parachute when landing summore.
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But F-15 have been war proven for dun know how many wars... The F-15T is a new gen of F-15...Originally posted by Zooish:F-15 is kind of big compared to Rafale and Eurofighter, both in height and wingspan. Too bulky liao, me dun like.
Personally would prefer Eurofighter, but Rafale seems a more likely choice.
Btw, good riddance to the A4s, so Lkk... look like relics next to F-16s. Camo and fighters dun go well together. Got to deploy parachute when landing summore.
A-4SU are not lousy... They are our pride, the onlu Super Skyhawk in the world... F-5 also uses parachute -
When I put the Hunter there, I meant the time when the Hunters are still flying when the F16As first came back to Singapore. Of course Hunter obsolete liao.Originally posted by sbst275:Em... Hunter have been no more Hunters liao I go for F-15, save weapon and training cost... EF2000 may later be overbeaten by F-35 which is stealthy -
Actually, we cannot depend on the F15T as a "stop-gap" measure. Remember we are buying new airframes, so it is expecedto last 8,000 hrs at least. And can be extended if we do a rebuilt subsequently. THis is unlike the USAF where the F15Es are relatively old and are in existence and are given upgrades to stay relevant until the replacement come along. When replacement is here, their airframe would be old and can be retired.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Yep.Optimum orbat right now would be
F-5S/T
F-16C/D Block 52 (perhaps Block 60 in the near future as mid-life replacement)
F-15T (to hold the fort until the Viper replacements come in)
F-35
We look like the USAF then..Wonder what will replace the Vipers if RSAF does not go for Block 60 or some local upgrade 10yrs down the line..Any chance of a UCAV or F/A-22 reaching our shores to replace the Viper in Air Dominance role?Slim right..But you might never know..
Even if the F-35 come along, we would still have to depend on the NGF (F15T??) to "flesh-out" our Orbat together with the then old F16CDs. Meaning we need some numbers in addition to the individual aircraft's potency.Just like now, even when we take deliveries of the F16CD, we are still upgrading our F5s and expect them to serve for many years. And also there are still A4s flying alongside F16D blk 52s.
So the NGF will have to be relevant and potent for many many years to come and soldier on with the F35. And it is a lot of money, so please do not say that it is a "temporary" solution.
Actually why does the RSAF insist on buying new aircraft. Why don't we purchase some F16 CD second handed from the US to obsolete our A4. Or purchase some F15E second handed from US as a "stop-gap" solution. -
We can't just 100% rely on F-16 eitherOriginally posted by spencer99:Actually, we cannot depend on the F15T as a "stop-gap" measure. Remember we are buying new airframes, so it is expecedto last 8,000 hrs at least. And can be extended if we do a rebuilt subsequently. THis is unlike the USAF where the F15Es are relatively old and are in existence and are given upgrades to stay relevant until the replacement come along. When replacement is here, their airframe would be old and can be retired.
Even if the F-35 come along, we would still have to depend on the NGF (F15T??) to "flesh-out" our Orbat together with the then old F16CDs. Meaning we need some numbers in addition to the individual aircraft's potency.Just like now, even when we take deliveries of the F16CD, we are still upgrading our F5s and expect them to serve for many years. And also there are still A4s flying alongside F16D blk 52s.
So the NGF will have to be relevant and potent for many many years to come and soldier on with the F35. And it is a lot of money, so please do not say that it is a "temporary" solution.
Actually why does the RSAF insist on buying new aircraft. Why don't we purchase some F16 CD second handed from the US to obsolete our A4. Or purchase some F15E second handed from US as a "stop-gap" solution. -
What talking you?? The brake-chute is only deployed in the event of brake failure. Not deployed on normal landing.Originally posted by Zooish:F-15 is kind of big compared to Rafale and Eurofighter, both in height and wingspan. Too bulky liao, me dun like.
Personally would prefer Eurofighter, but Rafale seems a more likely choice.
Btw, good riddance to the A4s, so Lkk... look like relics next to F-16s. Camo and fighters dun go well together. Got to deploy parachute when landing summore. -
Would the Block 60 Viper be a cheaper solution for the A4-SU, since we need to do a huge replacement purchase and I would figure that it would save a lot of money on maintenance and logistical support since they are basically the same airframe.This would then set the stage for a three aircraft type of RSAF in 10-15 years down the road,
F-16C/D Block 52 (rebuilt and upgraded)
F-16E/F Block 60 (A4-SU replacement and mainstay for SEAD and CAP roles)
F-15T (Interim NGF for 20 years, to be operated alongside the first few deliveries of the F-35 until the latter's mid-life upgrade)
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Am very suprized if anyone has same idea as me that F-15 is air superority fighter. A4SU is ground attack a/c. Why even consider F-15 (whether E of T version) to be a bombs jockey?
When I need air-ground support I rather have a reliable A-10 or A-8 rumbling at sub-sonic precision then a F-15 which I am sure would be happier as top-cover instead of on the deck amoung the muck. Its like having a ferrari making pizza delivery, nice but overkill?
My vote goes to the eurofighter (design from onset as multi-tasked, not mid-life design looking for second career). -
F-15 has been used for ground attack and interceptors...Originally posted by baer:Am very suprized if anyone has same idea as me that F-15 is air superority fighter. A4SU is ground attack a/c. Why even consider F-15 (whether E of T version) to be a bombs jockey?
When I need air-ground support I rather have a reliable A-10 or A-8 rumbling at sub-sonic precision then a F-15 which I am sure would be happier as top-cover instead of on the deck amoung the muck. Its like having a ferrari making pizza delivery, nice but overkill?
My vote goes to the eurofighter (design from onset as multi-tasked, not mid-life design looking for second career).
A-10 no more in production liao... Now it is time for strike capability... EF2000 is wasteful IF F-35 becomes our main fleet... -
Best to get American fleet, easy to maintain togetherOriginally posted by LazerLordz:
Would the Block 60 Viper be a cheaper solution for the A4-SU, since we need to do a huge replacement purchase and I would figure that it would save a lot of money on maintenance and logistical support since they are basically the same airframe.This would then set the stage for a three aircraft type of RSAF in 10-15 years down the road,
F-16C/D Block 52 (rebuilt and upgraded)
F-16E/F Block 60 (A4-SU replacement and mainstay for SEAD and CAP roles)
F-15T (Interim NGF for 20 years, to be operated alongside the first few deliveries of the F-35 until the latter's mid-life upgrade)
F-35 (2015-2025? barring further upgrades)