PAS Youth wing slams air space pact with Singapore
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PAS Youth wing slams air space pact with Singapore
Wednesday, December 15 @ 10:59:38 MYT
By REME AHMAD, The Straits Times Singapore KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 15 - The Youth wing of Parti Islam SeMalaysia (PAS) yesterday slammed Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi's agreement to open up Malaysian air space to the Republic of Singapore Air Force, saying this could affect the country's sovereignty.
"The central PAS Youth committee regretted very much the over-enthusiastic attitude of the Prime Minister to easily surrender Malaysia's sovereignty to Singapore purely to get funds worth only a few billion ringgit," it said.
After his meeting in Putrajaya on Monday with Datuk Seri Abdullah, Singapore Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong said the Republic was ready to allow the release of Central Provident Fund money belonging to West Malaysians if Kuala Lumpur agreed to let Singapore's air force use Malaysian air space.
The funds are believed to total $2 billion.
The PAS statement, signed by its Youth chief, Salahuddin Ayob, said Kuala Lumpur should learn from the Pedra Branca episode.
The island, off the north-east of Singapore, is 'claimed' by the Republic as its territory after Malaysia allowed it to build a structure there, he said. - zs -
Fire breathers ....
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This is nothing to do, find something to do.
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The radical PAS again... Lost terribly still wanna talk
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Any new air-space pact isn't going to be revolutionary. Such arrangements were already in place for S'pore usage until Malaysia abruptly withdrew permission during the Asian financial crisis, citing citizen complaints & "congested air traffic." If renewed, I don't think the RSAF will exploit it to the extent of old; we've already made a lot of alternative arrangements for training needs.
As for Pedra Branca, this briefing sez it all:
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now they will let us fly thru the airspace. if their villagers complain abt the noise and vice vesa. they will stop it again...
Originally posted by Old Bird:
[b]PAS Youth wing slams air space pact with Singapore
Wednesday, December 15 @ 10:59:38 MYT
By REME AHMAD, The Straits Times Singapore KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 15 - The Youth wing of Parti Islam SeMalaysia (PAS) yesterday slammed Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi's agreement to open up Malaysian air space to the Republic of Singapore Air Force, saying this could affect the country's sovereignty.
"The central PAS Youth committee regretted very much the over-enthusiastic attitude of the Prime Minister to easily surrender Malaysia's sovereignty to Singapore purely to get funds worth only a few billion ringgit," it said.
After his meeting in Putrajaya on Monday with Datuk Seri Abdullah, Singapore Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong said the Republic was ready to allow the release of Central Provident Fund money belonging to West Malaysians if Kuala Lumpur agreed to let Singapore's air force use Malaysian air space.
The funds are believed to total $2 billion.
The PAS statement, signed by its Youth chief, Salahuddin Ayob, said Kuala Lumpur should learn from the Pedra Branca episode.
The island, off the north-east of Singapore, is 'claimed' by the Republic as its territory after Malaysia allowed it to build a structure there, he said. - zs
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Heard of instruding air space?Originally posted by Noeyessee:now they will let us fly thru the airspace. if their villagers complain abt the noise and vice vesa. they will stop it again...
Those UMNO johor pple wanted to poison our water once during 1998.
i will never forget it =) -
The "poisoning of Singapore water" was only a suggested plan by a young officer for his stratagic studies & was never really approved or implemented, right.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Heard of instruding air space?
Those UMNO johor pple wanted to poison our water once during 1998.
i will never forget it =)
In any case, the only reason I can see why the PAS jokers wants to block the air space pact with Singapore is that if the pact results in relations between Malaysia & Singapore getting even closer, then the PAS would not have a "whipping boy" come the next general elections.
And besides, the PAS jokers plans for Malaysia has always to ensure that Malaysia does not progress but rather becaome like another Afghanisatn or Iran.
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i suppose our govt will not use it even if the msian allow us to ... may be to a much lesser extent as compare before ... we have learnt our lesson, can do without it ...already so many years ...so this is just a formality
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It makes no sense. Why would allowing Singapore to use their air-space constitute surrendering their soverign rights? Don't they have the confidence to defend their air-space?
It's amazing how much confidence PAS has in their own country. To think they call themselves patrioits. -
The use of Malaysian airspace i quite expected. Remember Mahathir said that in Singapore, when you drive your car at 4th or 5th gear, you'll fall off the sea. Fighter jets are the same, no matter which gear they fly, sure to intrude others territory because Singapore is so small. So opening their airspace i quite acceptable so can prevent war because of territorial intrusion.
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Well,actually I don't think using their airspaceis such a good idea.When the RSAF use their airspace,they will be able to learn about out tacticas and develope ways to counter by using their own fighters and SAMs etc...
So shud realli realli consider if its wise to use their air space -
I can't believe that all of you think that it is very normal and acceptable for Singapore to use Malaysian airspace.
I can't believe that you guys think that Malaysians are being "evil" for protesting this deal.
I would be out on the streets protesting if Lee Hsien Loon sold airspace rights to Malaysia or Indonesia Air Force. I would hate to have foreign warplanes over Singapore skies especially from a potentially hostile country.
Come on guys, don't just see your own side of the issue.
I think anyother reason they are protesting is how cheaply and easily their new leader can be bought.
Lousy $2 billion - and it's the Malaysian workers' CPF, their money to begin with - and they hand over their airspace.
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I can't believe that all of you think that it is very normal and acceptable for Singapore to use Malaysian airspace.
I recognize this is a military-enthusiast board but let's not blow things out of proportion.
I can't believe that you guys think that Malaysians are being "evil" for protesting this deal.
I would be out on the streets protesting if Lee Hsien Loon sold airspace rights to Malaysia or Indonesia Air Force. I would hate to have foreign warplanes over Singapore skies especially from a potentially hostile country.
Come on guys, don't just see your own side of the issue.
I think anyother reason they are protesting is how cheaply and easily their new leader can be bought.
Lousy $2 billion - and it's the Malaysian workers' CPF, their money to begin with - and they hand over their airspace.
Maybe a few more billions and they would hand over the entire Johore, its water and its women.
1stly, no one's "selling" anyone anything, so let's not go down that juvenile road.
2ndly, Abdullah Badawi said the airspace issue (plus the CPF & railway-land ones) "are not very difficult & can be resolved as quickly as possible." That's cuz the RSAF doesn't linger in their sphere all that much - let alone fly around like they own the place. Go read his press statement again; he's considering allowing Singapore to use Malaysian airspace en route to training areas.
3rdly, let's backtrack a bit & pinpoint where exactly the alleged intrusions took place. Most certainly, it couldn't be anywhere near KL or the PAS-controlled territories cuz the border's not there. Instead, it must be further south, at the tip of the peninsula.
I recall a series of localized complaints about low-level flight noise at Gelang Patah in west Johor (Second Link side of S'pore), which their federal authorities took umbrage on behalf of - noticeably within the generalized context of "violation of Malaysian airspace"- even after we worked out an arrangement to inform them in advance whenever we need to transit by.
Actually, Malaysia shows its hand whenever they mentioned "sovereignty rights" in the same breath (sometimes blatantly to their own media but which go unreported by the S'pore press): Pedra Branca is the relevant token, in the eyes of their federal government, of their perceived sense of territorial & airspace integrity here. PAS argues for as much, though both get caught up with the nationalist fervour & made muddle-headed contentions as a result.
Gosh, they were themselves urging for the same restraint as us when dealing with Indonesia over the Sipadan-Ligitan islands, as Jayakumar quoted in Parliament:
"... Until MalaysiaÂ’s claim is decided by the ICJ, the status quo must remain, consistent with MalaysiaÂ’s own position in the case of Sipadan/Ligitan. There, Malaysia adopted the position that as they were in possession of the islands, the status quo should prevail. For example, this is what they said in a diplomatic note to Indonesia on 3 January 1994, a note which they filed at the ICJ:
The Government of Malaysia reiterates that since Sipadan & Ligitan are parts of Malaysia, any & all activities undertaken by Malaysia on or pertaining to those islands & their surrounding waters constitute legitimate exercise of its sovereignty & jurisdiction. The continuing acts of intrusion by Indonesian naval vessels & aircraft in MalaysiaÂ’s territorial waters & airspace around Sipadan & Ligitan similarly cannot in any way, advance IndonesiaÂ’s claim over the 2 islands.
http://www.mfa.gov.sg/kl/speech.html
So, from the Singapore side: As if flying near Gelang Patah (with a bilateral protocol already in place) or flying past Pedra Branca (which we own according the status quo until the ICJ's decision) is really that provocative? Or are they merely using us as a bogeyman to score political points & rally their own countrymen? -
First Malaysia airspace,second Pedra Branca,third whole Johor,final we will consume whole of Malayisa!!!! LOL!!!
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There are 101 ways to monitor our aircrafts even if we dun cis-cross their territorial airspace. It is like, they dun have to cis-cross our airspace but we have 102 ways to monitor theirs...Originally posted by SpecOps87:Well,actually I don't think using their airspaceis such a good idea.When the RSAF use their airspace,they will be able to learn about out tacticas and develope ways to counter by using their own fighters and SAMs etc...
So shud realli realli consider if its wise to use their air space -
PAS only know how to kao peh...cb.
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First Malaysia airspace,second Pedra Branca,third whole Johor,final we will consume whole of Malayisa!!!! LOL!!!
There was actually a running gag in my unit just before my reservist ended, about how Malaysia's gonna complain one day about how our SAF troops are provocatively "targeting" their Johor ports of Tanjung Pelepas & Pasir Gadung - cuz they happen to be near our Live Firing Area & Tekong respectively.
Sadly, we were half-expecting that to come true, since their "emperor" (federal government, also UMNO & PAS) is geographically "far away" but talking about sovereignty like Malaysia is a city-state. -
Don't have it then, and let's see how they plan to get back their citizens' CPF.
And I don't see any ill effect after not using the Malaysian airspace for the past few years, so... -
They think they are loyal to MY... But they are as good as extremeistOriginally posted by branzzz:PAS only know how to kao peh...cb. -
The only good extremist is a DEAD extremist.
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Actually, the minute our combat aircraft takes off they are in Malaysian airspace. Just think of the proximity of our north-facing airbases to Johore. Seletar, Tengah are both very close to JB. The minute a jet figher takes off it will be in JB if it doesn't immediately "cornering" to avoid JB.Originally posted by whitenoise:Don't have it then, and let's see how they plan to get back their citizens' CPF.
And I don't see any ill effect after not using the Malaysian airspace for the past few years, so...
And on a more serious issue, a certain rescue operation was delayed for a while cos KL won't give the green light for our rescue aircraft to fly over their airspace. I can't remember which rescue ops. Anyone remember? -
The one on the exercise with UK if I can rememberOriginally posted by tvdog:Actually, the minute our combat aircraft takes off they are in Malaysian airspace. Just think of the proximity of our north-facing airbases to Johore. Seletar, Tengah are both very close to JB. The minute a jet figher takes off it will be in JB if it doesn't immediately "cornering" to avoid JB.
And on a more serious issue, a certain rescue operation was delayed for a while cos KL won't give the green light for our rescue aircraft to fly over their airspace. I can't remember which rescue ops. Anyone remember? -
It was the crash of a RN sea lynz during an exercise with RSN and it happened soon after Malaysia revoked the rights to use their airspace.
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Our SAR Puma helicopter is on a rescue mission! And they wasted time by refusing to allow the helicopter to fly through their airspace! By the time they gave permission,our helo have gone round their airspace already. In the end,the UK aircrew personnel is dead. We could have saved his life if we reached there earlier....
