SureFire Torchlights
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My bad on that one - I misread what you wrote as "the head of the CIA was a madman". Whoops.Originally posted by John Ching:Tenet became acting director of CIA in 1996, he's the men who brief the President on CIA analysis of OBL or whoever or whatever needed to brief. So he was responsible.
Oh, get outta here - as if the CIA wasn't still reeling from their "rogue elephant" days and too queasy about having to answer to Congress about wet ops. They probably breathed a sigh of relief when they saw the executive order. Besides, like I said before, that wheelbarrow was really being pushed by AG Janet Reno - she herself was trying to recover from the Waco mess if I got my timelines right.Originally posted by John Ching:Well, Clinton has never been to India, so he might as well get a free trip on Airforce 1. If he had been serious about OBL's threat, he would not have resign the exacutive order forbidding assasination of any kind during his 2nd term. Clinton never liked the military or the intelligent services as he believes that they always exaggerate the threat from around the world. -
well ok i confess. some SF lights are damningly bright. Anyone read Tom Clancy's Debt of Honour? theres a part int he story where a super bright light is used as a weapon.Originally posted by John Ching:By the way, torch light with the same kind of brightness as SF has been link to the death of Britan Princess D. Anyway, I haven't encounter a weapons-grade torch light before.
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when was this incident? i remember another incident years back when a US Navy heli approaching a suspected Russian spy ship had their pilots temp blinded with some sort of green laser too.Originally posted by eurofighter:It is defintely a laser that was shone into the cockpit. It is a green one. On at least 1 incident, it caused temporary blindess in one of the pilots and possibly damage to the retina. It could be those industrial kind equipped with a scope. -
Oh please! Compared to the KGB, CIA during those days could not claim credit for any successful wet ops because they were never able to get it right. It wasn't like the guys from OSS, now those guys had good score during WW II. True, most of them stay on to work in the CIA but new rules came into effect & so things had to be done differently then during the WW II.Originally posted by Gedanken:Oh, get outta here - as if the CIA wasn't still reeling from their "rogue elephant" days and too queasy about having to answer to Congress about wet ops. They probably breathed a sigh of relief when they saw the executive order. Besides, like I said before, that wheelbarrow was really being pushed by AG Janet Reno - she herself was trying to recover from the Waco mess if I got my timelines right.
Did they really breath a sign of relief when Clinton signed that order? I wouldn't know but I do know that they stopped doing wet works right after their failure to kill Castro & then the Bay of Pig incident. Anyway, the order does not just concern assasination ops but other ops as well. An example would be during Clinton admin, OBL was to be captured & not killed on sight. Today that order has changed to "capture or kill".
Did JR really felt any remose about the Waco incident? Its debatable but in terms of military operation getting the GO, her part of the plan as AG is to ensure that every legal means are met & that the President is shield from any prosecution as a result of any military ops. Because in the end, she's not the CIC, its Clinton.
By the way, you mentioned that Clinton ever asked the current Pakistan President to go after OBL, right? Well, the Pakistab President must have knew that Clinton was not serious about the request. Because compared to the current request by Bush, results seems to show he took Bush's words more seriously. -
Where did you get the info that the laser light was green in color? From what I've read so far, the FBI has yet to specify what kind of laser tool was used except that it can be bought of the rack in most store. The FBI also did not state the color of the laser light in their statement to the press.Originally posted by eurofighter:It is defintely a laser that was shone into the cockpit. It is a green one. On at least 1 incident, it caused temporary blindess in one of the pilots and possibly damage to the retina. It could be those industrial kind equipped with a scope.
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Hey, I too remember that incident. The Russian spy ship was disguise as a trawler. Other then being temp blind, the pilots also had minor but not serious burn to their eyes. Anyway, U.S Navy Seals were also testing & trainning on a similar device but it was later remove from the armoury as the weapon was banned.Originally posted by HENG@:when was this incident? i remember another incident years back when a US Navy heli approaching a suspected Russian spy ship had their pilots temp blinded with some sort of green laser too. -
I remember in that case the laser was stated as being green. Hey whats the latest case u guys are talking about? Apparently I've stopped reading the papers since i've arrived in the UK.Originally posted by John Ching:Hey, I too remember that incident. The Russian spy ship was disguise as a trawler. Other then being temp blind, the pilots also had minor but not serious burn to their eyes. Anyway, U.S Navy Seals were also testing & trainning on a similar device but it was later remove from the armoury as the weapon was banned. -
What's wrong with a $ 20 casio watch, guys?Originally posted by Gedanken:The worst culprit is Luminox, what with their Navy SEALs promotion. I know a couple of guys whose Luminox SEAL models all broke at the lower springbar - it seems to be a design defect. There's no point in wearing a so-called tough watch if the damned thing isn't going to stay on your wrist.
I'd take a Royal Navy issue Submariner on a NATO strap anytime.
I have one of those Omega 300 m dive things and frankly would not wear it for training ... maybe if I am recalled and go for actual ops I will wear it, the need will then outweight the cost. I went through my NS term with a casio that I found in the PT field in my camp. It lasted me till university even. And I was pretty active hiking and camping.
During reservist, I bought a Swatch chronometer and used it for reservist traiining , it had a large dial and big luminous hands, and I was pretty active too. Still have it, but battery died .... -
Nothing wrong with it if it does the job. You're right - I'd have to be a bit nuts to wear my Sea Dweller for training (even though Rolex does a wonderful job of restoring them when you send them in for servicing
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Part of it depends on the training, I expect. Casios had a very short life span in my unit, and as I mentioned earlier, my Seiko automatic diver's watch outlasted them all. For its price point, that Seiko's a helluva watch. After all that abuse, it looked like hell, but still kept going:
It finally took this to replace my beloved, trusty old Seiko:
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no shit? oh man need to stock up.. =[Originally posted by John Ching:Now back to the topic on SureFire torches, currently FBI is investigating FAA's allegation that someone or group, is using laser to strike into the pilot's cabin. Now the details are still rough but terrorism theory has been discredited & FBI is looking into whats actually being flashed into the pilot's cabin. Understand this, not all American or any pilot knows about Surefire torch or how its beam looks like. So if the outcome of the FBI investigation shows a surefire torch as the weapon used by some joker, you can bet your bottom dollar that it would not be sold in future to the public. So if you've got the cash to spend & you're a hardcore collected of SF torch, I suggest you consider about quickly getting which ever model of the torch you want. -
True about Casios (or Swatch) not lasting. My Casio strap broke eventually after about 2 years NS (I found it after 6 months in NS) and about one year into university. The strap costs probably 30% of the watch price. But battery somehow did not need replacement. Fortunately had a patient girlfriend during uni days who fabricated a new strap from coloured shoe-laces and velcro ! Anyway, that's another story....Originally posted by Gedanken:Nothing wrong with it if it does the job. You're right - I'd have to be a bit nuts to wear my Sea Dweller for training (even though Rolex does a wonderful job of restoring them when you send them in for servicing ).
Part of it depends on the training, I expect. Casios had a very short life span in my unit, and as I mentioned earlier, my Seiko automatic diver's watch outlasted them all. For its price point, that Seiko's a helluva watch. After all that abuse, it looked like hell, but still kept going:
It finally took this to replace my beloved, trusty old Seiko:
But the point is after spending thousands on a Rolex, Omega , Tag, breitling or some expensive sports watch, I am sad when it gets badly scratched. Somehow not worth it. Maybe for us reservists, when our pay is much more compared to a watch, it may be OK. But for a full time NS guy , earning at most $900, the Rolex, Omega, etc is a lot of money.
Plus you get unnecessary attention (somtimes negative) from your peers or seniors. -
Yeah, it's be ridiculous for an NS man to go about with a watch like that. However, it would be different if I was a regular - then I'd want a Sub on a NATO strap. I do know a couple of regulars from various armies who use Subs, Sea Dwellers and GMT-IIs at work, and two of them are currently in Iraq (one is a British chopper pilot and the other's an officer with the 1/75th). A couple of other guys I know do extreme sports and things like undersea exploration, and they've got no problems bashing their watches around - they're built for that kind of abuse, and the RSC always restores them back to mint condition. Mind you, those are the sports models - Red Adair used to wear his gold Day-Date when fighting oil well fires.
I'm still checking out how good Breitlings are - thinking of getting a Chrono Avenger M1 as a beater. -
According to the latest news report, the FBI states that the recent laser attacks against airline has a green beam. While the previous attacks were with red beam.Originally posted by eurofighter:It is defintely a laser that was shone into the cockpit. It is a green one.
Then again the news might be wrong or reported wrongly huh! -
Sounds gd, how abt the old Breitling Navitimers ? those were pretty cool watches with the slider rule thingo.Originally posted by Gedanken:Yeah, it's be ridiculous for an NS man to go about with a watch like that. However, it would be different if I was a regular - then I'd want a Sub on a NATO strap. I do know a couple of regulars from various armies who use Subs, Sea Dwellers and GMT-IIs at work, and two of them are currently in Iraq (one is a British chopper pilot and the other's an officer with the 1/75th). A couple of other guys I know do extreme sports and things like undersea exploration, and they've got no problems bashing their watches around - they're built for that kind of abuse, and the RSC always restores them back to mint condition. Mind you, those are the sports models - Red Adair used to wear his gold Day-Date when fighting oil well fires.
I'm still checking out how good Breitlings are - thinking of getting a Chrono Avenger M1 as a beater.
I stick to my Sinn 156 Military any day ..*sigh* still searching for a rather proper speciment, the last time i saw it, it waa sold dame !! $2000 ...DAME ..bloody hell....
Say, do you collect any of those CWC military watches or you collect those high end speciment like the IWC Spitefire Automatic ?
or the Orfina Porsche Design Bund Chronograph or the rarest gem, the Heuer 1550 Bund issued -
The specific attraction of the M1 is that it is the only chrono that has a completely sealed case. Other chronos have pusher rods that go through the case to activate the chrono mechanism, but the M1 uses a set of magnetic actuators instead. You can therefore easily dive with the M1 and even use the chrono while underwater.Originally posted by one-niner:Sounds gd, how abt the old Breitling Navitimers ? those were pretty cool watches with the slider rule thingo.
I stick to my Sinn 156 Military any day ..*sigh* still searching for a rather proper speciment, the last time i saw it, it waa sold dame !! $2000 ...DAME ..bloody hell....
Say, do you collect any of those CWC military watches or you collect those high end speciment like the IWC Spitefire Automatic ? or the Orfina Porsche Design Bund Chronograph or the rarest gem, the Heuer 1550 Bund issued
Ah, just switch to Rolex and Sinn no more!
In terms of collecting, it's early days for me yet, so I've yet to go for the rare ones. Right now, I'm stuck on my Sea Dweller and none of my other watches gets any wrist time, except for my Datejust which has had about 8 hours of wear in the lasy 9 months. -
The thing that reminds me not to indulge in expensive watches for NS or reservists is this .....
If in real operations you get caught or something happens to you, you can bet that your wrist watch will be stolen or confiscated. These are the first items besides your weapon and maps/ note book, that would taken off your body.... for sure. -
As long as the watch can let u see the time can liao...best is thouse with the glow-in-the-dark clockhands cos illuminator not dat reliable one....the 1st thing to KO is the illuminator when battery is low.Originally posted by specfore:The thing that reminds me not to indulge in expensive watches for NS or reservists is this .....
If in real operations you get caught or something happens to you, you can bet that your wrist watch will be stolen or confiscated. These are the first items besides your weapon and maps/ note book, that would taken off your body.... for sure. -
Buddy boy, if someone's in the mood to insert a new rectum in your forehead 7.62 style, I doubt the last thing you'd worry about is your watch.Originally posted by specfore:The thing that reminds me not to indulge in expensive watches for NS or reservists is this .....
If in real operations you get caught or something happens to you, you can bet that your wrist watch will be stolen or confiscated. These are the first items besides your weapon and maps/ note book, that would taken off your body.... for sure.
Part of the reason the Sub was issued to the British military was that it was a recognisably valuable object - as such, it could come in handy as a bribe in an E&E situation. -
they could just pump u with lead and snatch it away anyway....Originally posted by Gedanken:Buddy boy, if someone's in the mood to insert a new rectum in your forehead 7.62 style, I doubt the last thing you'd worry about is your watch.
Part of the reason the Sub was issued to the British military was that it was a recognisably valuable object - as such, it could come in handy as a bribe in an E&E situation. -
Just as well that some blokes from Desert Storm kept their gold wafers then, eh?
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Let's get back to the topic.
New competitor for Surefire. It will be shown at the SHOT Show 2005.
http://night-ops.com/ -
Hiz!
Where's SHOT Show 2005 be held? -
Got to say this thread is still going strong man...Just curious ..anyone uses any of those underwater kinetics torchlight ? i happened to own one of those when i stumbled across one of it during my outfield excerise in LCK..pretty gd beam, but i understand from ppl that it isn't quite a gd torchlight ...any comments ?
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http://ledmuseum.home.att.net/ledleft.htmOriginally posted by one-niner:Got to say this thread is still going strong man...Just curious ..anyone uses any of those underwater kinetics torchlight ? i happened to own one of those when i stumbled across one of it during my outfield excerise in LCK..pretty gd beam, but i understand from ppl that it isn't quite a gd torchlight ...any comments ?
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It is a very good compact and low profile torch that uses 4AA batteries instead of using CR123 batteries unlike the Pelican light that are not compact.Originally posted by one-niner:Got to say this thread is still going strong man...Just curious ..anyone uses any of those underwater kinetics torchlight ? i happened to own one of those when i stumbled across one of it during my outfield excerise in LCK..pretty gd beam, but i understand from ppl that it isn't quite a gd torchlight ...any comments ?
http://www.uwkinetics.com/4AAsalk.htm
Another similar type is the Ikelite.
http://www.ikelite.com/web_pages/3pc_lite.html
HTH.