Tokyo may sell used warships to S'pore and KL, says report
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Fromt Strait Times Webby:
TOKYO - JAPAN was reported yesterday to be considering selling decommissioned warships to Singapore and Malaysia to fight terrorism and piracy, following a recent relaxation in Tokyo's long-time ban on arms exports.
When asked to comment on the Japanese newspaper reports, a spokesman for Singapore's Ministry of Defence told The Straits Times: 'There is no truth to the report.'
Malaysia also said it had not received any such offers.
Quoting government officials, Japan's Yomiuri Shimbun said Tokyo would propose selling used 1,000-2,000 tonne-class compact destroyers and other warships belonging to the Self-Defence Force, as well as Coast Guard patrol vessels.
If Japan eventually decides to sell the vessels, it would inform Singapore and Malaysia next month, when its arms export ban was relaxed, said the Yomiuri, whose report was lifted by the Associated Press wire agency.
The plan to sell used warships was a response to calls for help from South-east Asian nations in fighting terror and piracy threats, the Yomiuri said.
It added that the warships would be exported minus the cannons and other heavy armament because they were not needed to fight pirates.
Currently, decommissioned warships are scrapped.
Analysts, however, have questioned the Yomiuri report, with Dr Khoo How San, a defence analyst at the Institute of South-east Asian Studies in Singapore, saying he found it 'puzzling and intriguing'.
'Nowadays, it's what's inside warships that count, not outside. The older warships are useless to us.
'The Japanese could also be floating a trial balloon but the reactions are more likely to be flak than positive vibes. Countries in the region are not ready to embrace Japan as an arms supplier,' Dr Khoo told The Straits Times. -
We'll have the Yamato and/or Musashi please.
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Thier weapons are stained with blood...
if our ancestors would see this...they would rise from their graves.... -
i didnt noe they are selling us warships dating back to WW2....Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Thier weapons are stained with blood...
if our ancestors would see this...they would rise from their graves....
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Anyone knows how the Jap warship fair in the world?
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Yes, we need Cold War-era warships to fight terrorism...
How are such vessels gonna fit into the orbat and where are we gonna find people to man them anyway? Might even turn out the the report is completely false. -
Yamato and musashi will be pretty cool . . . . .why don't they pack in some ww2 aircraft carriers too, we can then dock them all at sentosa and transform them into museums and scrap those casino plans. Might as well pull up the prince of wales while they are at it. Who cares if they are tainted with blood. As long as we can milk them dry, take em.Originally posted by laurence82:i didnt noe they are selling us warships dating back to WW2.... -
Agree! In the RSN, manning is a serious issue. Older warship usually are less automated and had a higher manning requirements.Originally posted by 21Alpha:Yes, we need Cold War-era warships to fight terrorism...
How are such vessels gonna fit into the orbat and where are we gonna find people to man them anyway? Might even turn out the the report is completely false.
Can't see how an obsolete destroyer typed warship could help fight terrorism. Maybe some patrol boats will be suitable. But how many PVs do we need?? and where are we going to find the people to man them.
Why not offer them free to the Philippines' Navy! They will be more then happy to replace their WW2 era LST. -
Get one for training and reverse engineering purposes.One day we might need a few destroyers for force projection.
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Singapore may not be interested in their ships. But what about the other stuff like their MBTs and IFVs - should take a good look at them. The Japanese armoured vehicles appear to be based on the German ones.
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bwahahahhahahhahahahhahaOriginally posted by CenturionMBT:Yamato and musashi will be pretty cool . . . . .why don't they pack in some ww2 aircraft carriers too, we can then dock them all at sentosa and transform them into museums and scrap those casino plans. Might as well pull up the prince of wales while they are at it. Who cares if they are tainted with blood. As long as we can milk them dry, take em. -
:"tainted with Blood" it history alright!
Anyway acquiring decomissioned warship from them doesnt really means using them for high sea combat mission. Why not use it for our naval personnel training requirement . Provided it makes economical sense -
I think building our own makes more economical sense
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They are basically giving us an empty shell -
it's not that we were poor...haiz since when did we buy 2nd hand ships ?
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BTW Yamato and/or Musashi were sunk towards end of WWII. We only need the big guns for ship to shore bombardment
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We buy second hand all the time, if it suits our purposes. Our A-4SU Skyhawk fleet is second hand, and if I'm not wrong our Sjoormen class submarines are refurbished second hand subs.Originally posted by ray243:it's not that we were poor...haiz since when did we buy 2nd hand ships ?
When it comes to military items, second hand need not mean poor quality. -
I heard it's 1970's technology that due for decom.
if we buy I suspect will be used as training ship. -
I'll keep an open mind about this. Hardware is hardware - no need to get snobbish over this This is also Japan, aka home of technological innovation! ~lol~ Even their 1970s crap are better what other foreign industries could come up.
S'pore has always bought 2nd-hand hardware equipment with an eye towards upgrading them on our own, though on the surface it's hard to see how destroyers could befit fighting terrorism in the narrow Straits & surrounding waters. I also seem to recall our RSN priority now is the Stealth Frigate program, which is locally built & so far only 2 of 6 are commissioned as operational.
IMO There's also a possible misinterpretation of the news. This report version http://en.ce.cn/World/Asia-Pacific/200412/22/t20041222_2639467.shtml suggests S'pore & Malaysia could get 1st-buyer choice since both "requested Japan to relax its arms export ban" prior, though Mahathir Mohammad advised them last week that Japan's announced turnaround on restrictions earlier this month (the bigger news) could lead to an arms race with China. -
what i means is if we don't need second hand ships when our navy is more than enough to fight against pirates and we could easily built ships on our own...well we built a number right? exceptfor subs of course...
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no I not saying it's crap even though it's 1970, may be even more technically advance than we have on our inventory its just that traditionally we always custom build and automate everything as we don't have luxury of manpower for it. After all a destroyer is huge monster not like a missile gunboat so where you going to find people to man it?Originally posted by Moxie:I'll keep an open mind about this. Hardware is hardware - no need to get snobbish over this This is also Japan, aka home of technological innovation! ~lol~ Even their 1970s crap are better what other foreign industries could come up.
S'pore has always bought 2nd-hand hardware equipment with an eye towards upgrading them on our own, though on the surface it's hard to see how destroyers could befit fighting terrorism in the narrow Straits & surrounding waters. I also seem to recall our RSN priority now is the Stealth Frigate program, which is locally built & so far only 2 of 6 are commissioned as operational.
IMO There's also a possible misinterpretation of the news. This report version http://en.ce.cn/World/Asia-Pacific/200412/22/t20041222_2639467.shtml suggests S'pore & Malaysia could get 1st-buyer choice since both "requested Japan to relax its arms export ban" prior, though Mahathir Mohammad advised them last week that Japan's announced turnaround on restrictions earlier this month (the bigger news) could lead to an arms race with China.
So if we buy where are we going to use it? not like we have deep water or thousands of coastline miles to protect that's why I think it would be used as a training platform. -
they may be gone . . . . but their blue prints are still around. . . .can make a fully functional ship with giant mock ups as guns.Originally posted by baer:BTW Yamato and/or Musashi were sunk towards end of WWII. We only need the big guns for ship to shore bombardment
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Again - Japan said it'll strip the vessels bare, & it's gonna be all hardware if we choose to buy. The submarines we purchased from Sweden in the latter '90s were all 25-30 years old & post-decommissioned, but which we evaluated & found of excellent value for refurnishment.
In any case I think we're getting lumped together with Malaysia (who has the bigger NGPV ambitions) &, while I said we don't need more heavy capital ships per se, it's more with the presumption that we're already committed to building the stealth frigates. Dunno about the S'pore version, but the latter's cousin ships have a standard displacement of 3,500 tonnes (French La Fayette class) & 4,500 tonnes (Saudi Al Riyadh class), according to an online site. In other words, S'pore already wanted bigger vessels to complement our corvettes & attack craft, to serve as conventional maritime security - rather than just chase pirates.
Let's see what Japan actually offers; we can always say no thanks. -
get a couple, learn what we can from it. the rest just sell to karang guni....
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We are already currently building our Delta frigates is a smaller derivative of the French La Fayette class stealth frigate !!! This been classified by navy expert being the most powerful warship in the region except the japan aegis destroyers which they have only 4 themselves !!!Originally posted by KumSioJui:no I not saying it's crap even though it's 1970, may be even more technically advance than we have on our inventory its just that traditionally we always custom build and automate everything as we don't have luxury of manpower for it. After all a destroyer is huge monster not like a missile gunboat so where you going to find people to man it?
So if we buy where are we going to use it? not like we have deep water or thousands of coastline miles to protect that's why I think it would be used as a training platform.
By the way of course japan will not be sell these 4 Aegis !!! they intend to sell us scraps of some old warship !!! Think someone in their foreign department didn't do their homework on Singapore Navy.
We are way better of building more Delta frigates than to use old big ships that Japanese themselves does not want. -
Um.
AEGIS costs 1 billion USD per vessel...
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