RSS Formidable Class Armed
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In other words, she's got a wide arse.Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:
She has a wide platform
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looks like a destroyer in these pic
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That is the La Fayette class stealth frigate from France.Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:
She has a wide platform
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No , it is the FORMIDABLE class , the posted image is the scanned image from the Japanese magazine :World WarshipsOriginally posted by larrenV2.003:That is the La Fayette class stealth frigate from France.
Here the link:
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Nice pixs except they are too small... I wonder if anyone has seen the larger ones or closeup shots...
I would like to see what is actually on top of the hanger. I also wonder if Typhoon gun platforms will be included onboard acting as CIWS. -
It would be truly formidable if she was armed with SM-2 SAMs and Tomahawks..
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According to official sources, the system up on the hangar is a decoy launcher.Originally posted by Joe Black:I would like to see what is actually on top of the hanger. I also wonder if Typhoon gun platforms will be included onboard acting as CIWS.
Dont worry for the Typhoon gun system. It is designed to be able to be deployed almost anywhere on any plateform as long as there is space. The Navy do not have to fix the system permanently on the ship but if it is required for them to do so, there are significant amount of space to accommodate a few. Same goes to the Simbad launcher as CIWS. -
So, the frigate looks huge.Almost like a destroyer.I've got high hopes for her..May she sail far and free
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This class of ships will provide RSN, for the first time. a multi-role true blue water capability. Of course, in terms of anti-air, the Herekles radar is still not as capable as the AGEIS, but lest us think that they are meant to be compared directly against each other. AGEIS is the high end of phased array radar technology, the Herekles is the low end to medium range, nevertheless, the most capable phased array radar in SEA.
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To be more correct, one should say SPY-1D the radar snce AEGIS refers to a system not just radar.
Indeed, the SPY-1D is superior to Herakles. Even EMPAR is superior to Herakles. And SPY-1D is superior to EMPAR.
Herakles should be same level as Arabel.
Th french use EMPAR for their own top-level frigate, and for export they offer the Arabel and Herakles. So the latter two radars should be inferior.
Just like Norway is getting the SPY-1F, which is downgraded version of SPY-1D.
Also, for the British radars, their own best ship use SAMPSON, for export they offer the SPECTAR. -
At 3,200 tons, she can hardly be called destroyer. Reasonable displacement for destroyer is 6,000 tons. Although the new Italian and French ships at 6,700 tons, and they call it a frigate.
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Do you care to provide us with comparative data between Herakles and EMPAR ?Originally posted by sane_guy2:To be more correct, one should say SPY-1D the radar snce AEGIS refers to a system not just radar.
Indeed, the SPY-1D is superior to Herakles. Even EMPAR is superior to Herakles. And SPY-1D is superior to EMPAR.
Herakles should be same level as Arabel.
Th french use EMPAR for their own top-level frigate, and for export they offer the Arabel and Herakles. So the latter two radars should be inferior.
Just like Norway is getting the SPY-1F, which is downgraded version of SPY-1D.
Also, for the British radars, their own best ship use SAMPSON, for export they offer the SPECTAR.
I believe Herakles is as capable as EMPAR. In any case, Herakles is significantly superior to Arabel. -
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Unfortunately, we cannot know this for sure as they don't give out data on Herakles. But information on Arabel and EMPAR has been written in chinese journals. But based on what is common in past, normally like in this case, the french Horizon uses EMPAR, but they give Saudi the Arabel, and give Singapore the Herakles. Normally under such circumstances, it means the EMPAR is superior and more expensive.
Just like Norway uses the SPY-1F even though their ship is based on the Spanish F-100 which uses SPY-1D. So Norway buys cheaper radar. -
As for the selection of radar for this Delta frigate project its selected and procured by Singapore's Defence and Science Technology Agency.
Thales is an european Company and her host nation are most grateful to release their sophisticated technology for procurement especially to nations which decided to shift sources other than the United States, their rival.
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The shape of the Herakles radome doesn't look like it can accomodate a a rotator......
I think it's a fixed active array (x2 or x4?)
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Initially, that's what I thought too. But it has been written in chinese journals that this is a single radar. If fixed, it must be 4 panels, coz each side only cover 90 degrees. And judging from the size of our ship 3,200 tons, compared to 6,050 tons for Dutch ship with 4 panel radar APAR, our Herakles should be single-sided. Indeed, even the EMPAR is single-sided. The SAMPSON is double-side rotator.
So from what I understand, when the thing rotates, the whole structure rotates, unlike in a Sphere like EMPAR or SAMPSON, where the sphere is only an external layer. -
so can this transform into a harpoon firing robot too?
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While it is true tht Singapore has a free hand in selecting radar (unike say Taiwan) , but EMPAR may not be suitable, as the Horizon is 6,700 tons. The EMPAR may be quite large, and that would have an adverse effect on stability by raising the centre of gravity. That is the reason why British developed the Spectar for smaller vessels (as compared their SAMPSON) and Dutch developed SEAPAR (as compared their APAR) for smaller vessels.
But of course, it is difficult to say whether Herakles is better than Arabel. Herakles work on S-band, while Arabel work on X-band.
Notice that our Scanter is X-band.
It is like this:
For Dutch, APAR is X-band, so they put search radar with longer wavelength.
For SIngapore, Herakles is S-band, Scanter is X-band for surface search.
Because X-band shorter wavelength not suitable for long range search, but needed for guidance of american SAMs.
For us, it is the opposite, because we don't use american SAMs, but use ASTER which is active-homing (self-guided in terminal phase).
But then we want good resolution for surface search to fulfil task of sea-patrol (ability to identify fishing boats from naval ship) so we use X-band surface search by Terma Scanter 2001. -
wow...cool dude....
u r sure to be a regular...
care to pte msg me? -
No, I'm not regular. ORD long ago. All that I said are in public domain, so I didn't say anything only a regular would know.
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All those I said can be found in the chinese journals called Jian Duan Ke Ji (for Taiwan), and Shi Jie Hang Kong Hang Tian Buo Lan (for China).
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So that explains the ship's wide beam.....because if the whole thing is going to rotate......that's not light too, isn't it?Originally posted by sane_guy2:While it is true tht Singapore has a free hand in selecting radar (unike say Taiwan) , but EMPAR may not be suitable, as the Horizon is 6,700 tons. The EMPAR may be quite large, and that would have an adverse effect on stability by raising the centre of gravity. That is the reason why British developed the Spectar for smaller vessels (as compared their SAMPSON) and Dutch developed SEAPAR (as compared their APAR) for smaller vessels.
But of course, it is difficult to say whether Herakles is better than Arabel. Herakles work on S-band, while Arabel work on X-band.
Notice that our Scanter is X-band.
It is like this:
For Dutch, APAR is X-band, so they put search radar with longer wavelength.
For SIngapore, Herakles is S-band, Scanter is X-band for surface search.
Because X-band shorter wavelength not suitable for long range search, but needed for guidance of american SAMs.
For us, it is the opposite, because we don't use american SAMs, but use ASTER which is active-homing (self-guided in terminal phase).
But then we want good resolution for surface search to fulfil task of sea-patrol (ability to identify fishing boats from naval ship) so we use X-band surface search by Terma Scanter 2001.
I wonder kind of RPM can you achieve with such a large assembly?
I think it's more like 2x radiators back to back.....maybe with one common RF Master Oscillator source switched between the two.....possible? -
It is possible that it is actually 2 panels. This is like SAMPSON, with 2 panels, rotating at 60 rpm, ie 1 complete circle per second, and since 2 panels, it is like 2 circles per second. Compare this to EMPAR, which is 1 panel, and still 60 rpm. So SAMPSON rate of refreshment is double that of EMPAR.
SAMPSON is superior to EMPAR, the main reason for quarrel between UK and Italy, France, leading to break up of the Common European Frigate.
Because Italy and France don't want to spend too much money on a good radar, they don't need something this good.
It may be Herakles also 2 panel, 180 degrees apart, and I think most rotators are 60 rpm. Anything faster than 60 rpm would be hard, I guess, as radar is not that light.
It is possible Herakles is superior to Arabel in one area at least, that is longer effective detection range, since S-band.