SAF's operational Readiness
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As a deterrent force, it is necessary to show any potential adversary that SGP is always ready for any potential conflict.
I liked the way the SAF is deployed and how fast we can surged a LST and various helicopters. Shows that we are operational ready.
Good environment to showcase our latest equipment also. The LST, Chinooks and also Bronco ATTC. Show them to the international media that we are ready and got good equipment. -
all about wayang lah
wonder if tonner got kiwi tyres or mb290 got repaint before going there.
hehehehe
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shhhh. Dun tell ppl.
Not so bad actually SAF. Dun kiwi the tyres still can move mah.
Someone in the forums said before. SAF dun lack hardware. Its the software(soldiers) that is suspect. <- i agree. -
Whether you kiwi the tyres or give PM new camo raincoat or paint Def Min's name of side of F-16 during base visit, it is the man behind the bayonet that counts.
That's worrying me. I've trained no less than 320 men (8 batches x 40 men platoon, if don't count terrorized 1,280 men 8 x 160 men companies) over two years. Done 1 cycle of NSMan (am due to ROD, not ORD, come April '05) and seen a fair bit.
Now we question "why" and still don't know "how". When I started my long journey in green camo, it was "do" not "die". Maybe times have changed, the fabric of our nation has turned into 'hand wash, do not starch, rip prone, do not mix colors'. -
Just one question ( very curious) , does SAF provide cigarettes to the men when they go for humanitarian mission like the one in aceh?
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cut the bullshit... SAF operational readiness are very high...
although i'm not pro-saf, but i admit it cuz i'm a damn sailor and everytime we gets activated for sailing, we sail immediately and with minimum time to prepare although we dun likes to sail.... -
Everyone can be operationally ready...
Wake up brush teeth back pack.. = operationally ready..
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Just look at how SAF help the ppl in Aceh, SAF sent lot of men and equipment to help out in a relatively short time.
Then look at the TNI, they do have large number of men as well lot of amphibious assets but pale in term of helos.
Since Aceh is part of Indonesia, yet they are not mobillise as fast as us, that tell how good in term of readiness our amphibious units.
Our joint operation between svcs has matured in a way that they are efficient as a team, can't say the same in thing for other armed forces in the region.
They are more autonomous and usually fight for their share of the defence budget. -
Yeah, it's true the Indos are not as fast, flexible, nimble as SAF etc etc.
But they are a very big and battle-hardened and vicious army in both jungle and urban warfare. Once they get their shxt together, they are no pushover, so don't small look them. -
That's worrying me. I've trained no less than 320 men (8 batches x 40 men platoon, if don't count terrorized 1,280 men 8 x 160 men companies) over two years. Done 1 cycle of NSMan (am due to ROD, not ORD, come April '05) and seen a fair bit.
Are you an ex-instructor? If so: Oi, "Tiger Hong", tepi sikit, lah - as the Hokkien peng used to say to the ex-DI's & PTI's & MP's who ended up eating crow at having to fight alongside them as normal infantrymen for reservist.
C'mon, I can respect your instructor skills but what you're alluding to equivalent to a schoolteacher proclaiming that youths won't have employment skills cuz she's taught 8 batches of primary-school cohorts.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but have you serve with an operational unit during active time, to see how they mature on though the 18-21 remaining months? Reservist is reservist, but even though I won't be surprised if your latter colleagues initially snicker at your rusty combat skills when training together. -
Been reading about "militia" type forces in the history of warfare. Our military concept of civilian forces is what people in history will call militia forces. From my reading of various wars and incidents, one common thing occurs. It appears to me that militia forces suffer initial setbacks more frequently than regular forces. It could be that the initial "shock" of going into combat unnerves mobilised civilians more than a regular soldier.
However, militia forces in a long campaign, start to show the advantages of initiative, intelligence and flexibility/ adaptability. Militia forces have defeated regular troops soundly in many battles but usually only after the initial setbacks.
It would appear to me that the SAF chances of winning a conflict is to be the one who chooses the time to strike and where to strike. It is more than just operationally ready at the soldier level. Like one of the replies I saw, it is more than just waking up and brushing teeth and changing into your no.4 and reporting for duty. -
This SAF HATF mission to Aceh isn't a combat one, but I'm betting the swiftness of its joint-service execution (esp. the 1st 48 hours that culminated in the RSS Endurance setting sail) will wake up any of our neighbors who had overly-unrealistic pretensions about operational readiness.
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agreed !!Originally posted by Moxie:This SAF HATF mission to Aceh isn't a combat one, but I'm betting the swiftness of its joint-service execution (esp. the 1st 48 hours that culminated in the RSS Endurance setting sail) will wake up any of our neighbors who had overly-unrealistic pretensions about operational readiness.
Bloody gd OPs Readiness...this is what "when the button is pressed"
short estimation: 48 Hrs ready to conduct overseas OPs
72 Hrs and beyond, ready to conquer some hostile enemey terroritries ( figure of speech) -
I do not doubt the operation readiness of our navy, very impressive thus far.
As for the army, the operation readiness amongst the active units are good too (those who went thru full equip stand by would understand). However, they only a small fraction of our army, as NS (reservist) units still made up of our main fighting force. talking in terms of COMBAT operation readiness.
IMO, the operation readiness of NS units are questionable. I referring more to reaction time and equiping. Think in terms of planning, ind / bn / brigade / div level training & tactics, logistics we are pretty good for a civilian army. We all know the good points so i'll focus only on what i preceived as major weakness impeding our ops readiness.
Equipment:
There's also seem to be in shortage of equipment, always t loan here and there during standby and exercise. Wonder what happens if we start recalling 10 reservist battelion at the same time, not forgeting the brigade and supporting units, division elements. guess $$$, life span and maint. of eqiup will be a concern.
Reaction time:
Think a bit wayang at times. Who here never got prior warning before standby? How soon during war times will only brothers, fathers, mates report back in a timing manner, we will never know i guess.
Nonetheless, these are not unqiue problems, US National guards faced to same problem too. Well, if we compare ourselves against our neighbours, i guess we are still much better * fingers crossed *
Btw, not sure if the refief effort in Aceh is a good reflection of COMBAT operation readiness. They are not eqiuped for full battle order. -
Sadly true SAF mostly wayang. Talking to some Indonesian BREMOB (self defence forces), more like our "Ang chia" or Police Tactical teams, more tougher than our regulars. The Col has combat experience during 'konfrantasi', others in E Temor or Irian Jaya or Aceh (beofre present calamity). What they lack in equipment, service support, and technical expertise, they more than make up for in toughness, endurance, patience and numbers.Originally posted by tchiew:As for the army, the operation readiness amongst the active units are good too (those who went thru full equip stand by would understand). However, they only a small fraction of our army, as NS (reservist) units still made up of our main fighting force. talking in terms of COMBAT operation readiness.
IMO, the operation readiness of NS units are questionable.
Equipment:
There's also seem to be in shortage of equipment, always t loan here and there during standby and exercise.
Reaction time:
Think a bit wayang at times. -
Well, I guess SAF knew the inherent weakness of a citizen army. People are already not too happy to go for ICT, so there is so much that SAF can do. Perhaps, the reason why we have so many tanks and fighter jets is to make up for the weaknesses mentioned. Just hope that our Navy will get new subs and helos and replace the MCVs to enhance our defense further.
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Agreed that the hardwares in certain way acts as some form of deterrence and plays out in the mental of any potential aggressors...we definitely need solid defense and acquisition of good weaponry to stay in the lead.
Even wayang wayang also can deter lah...the tsunami crise mgt by SAF I must say was indeed impressive, the way how the deployment was done, just read the accolades sang from the foreign press and etc. and u would agreed with me. That was a very good publicity and boy, Singapore did it very well with a humble approach :"we're just a dropoin the ocean..." well articulated, wins hearts and minds, touching man...
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We are pretty alright for a conscript army IMHO.
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Morale, physical fitness, mental readiness... issues there always will be. I have some Isreali friends who also say the same thing about their equivalent of reservist training and IPPT. They also have their problems about obese soldiers, unfit chaps who fail PT etc etc. And they are the ones who deploy reservists in frontline actions. At the end of the day, I suspect unfitness and poor morale will be compensated by other factors.
For the average Soldier, he is not going to be a SAS or SEAL trooper, marching under stress for miles and miles and then expected to storm a building and shoot "one-shot- one -kill" tactics. The average infantry man will face long quiet periods and then intense action for a few hours. Whether he is a marathon runner or a chap who does his physical training only one week before IPPT , I think it is not going to make that much of a difference. -
yup yup...not as good as the south koreans or israelis...but good enuff..they have a clear and present threat...while ours is of deterrance..Originally posted by LazerLordz:We are pretty alright for a conscript army IMHO. -
I agree. SAF's ops readiness in deployment to Aceh, regardless of motive, make me proud to be Singaporean. Majulah Singapura!Originally posted by tchiew:I do not doubt the operation readiness of our navy, very impressive thus far.
As for the army, the operation readiness amongst the active units are good too (those who went thru full equip stand by would understand). However, they only a small fraction of our army, as NS (reservist) units still made up of our main fighting force. talking in terms of COMBAT operation readiness.
IMO, the operation readiness of NS units are questionable. I referring more to reaction time and equiping. Think in terms of planning, ind / bn / brigade / div level training & tactics, logistics we are pretty good for a civilian army. We all know the good points so i'll focus only on what i preceived as major weakness impeding our ops readiness.
Equipment:
There's also seem to be in shortage of equipment, always t loan here and there during standby and exercise. Wonder what happens if we start recalling 10 reservist battelion at the same time, not forgeting the brigade and supporting units, division elements. guess $$$, life span and maint. of eqiup will be a concern.
Reaction time:
Think a bit wayang at times. Who here never got prior warning before standby? How soon during war times will only brothers, fathers, mates report back in a timing manner, we will never know i guess.
Nonetheless, these are not unqiue problems, US National guards faced to same problem too. Well, if we compare ourselves against our neighbours, i guess we are still much better * fingers crossed *
Btw, not sure if the refief effort in Aceh is a good reflection of COMBAT operation readiness. They are not eqiuped for full battle order. -
when i was young, i always read those animal books, the weaker animal, when threatened will try to make itself look big and scary.. to deter the really scary animal
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Originally posted by specfore:Morale, physical fitness, mental readiness... issues there always will be. I have some Isreali friends who also say the same thing about their equivalent of reservist training and IPPT. They also have their problems about obese soldiers, unfit chaps who fail PT etc etc. And they are the ones who deploy reservists in frontline actions. At the end of the day, I suspect unfitness and poor morale will be compensated by other factors.
No offence but i find it hard to believe. The Israel Defense Forces is one of the best armed forces in the world and has won wars against several countries.
Jewish must have been damn good as a soldier. Is it because of their genes/race/ethinc group. (Sorry if i am touching a sensitive topic) -
Ethnic psyche, having been an embattled race stretching back 2000 years.
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The Indonesian government has been suppressing the GAM movements for almost 30 years. What have they achieve so far? The rebels are still around and the movements is still ongoing.Originally posted by baer:Sadly true SAF mostly wayang. Talking to some Indonesian BREMOB (self defence forces), more like our "Ang chia" or Police Tactical teams, more tougher than our regulars. The Col has combat experience during 'konfrantasi', others in E Temor or Irian Jaya or Aceh (beofre present calamity). What they lack in equipment, service support, and technical expertise, they more than make up for in toughness, endurance, patience and numbers.
Sadly BREMOB's toughness, great endurance, patience and the so call advantage in quantity does not help even in dealing with the rebels...
So IMHO the GAM or Free Aceh Movement rebels are much tougher! What they lack is equipment, service support, and technical expertise.
Otherwise we would be reading reports on our disaster relief ops in the Republic of Aceh today.
Bulls and cows are tougher than any human being... but what's the use? It is still the human that make them plough the field.