SAF in Aceh- are they armed?
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i was watching the news on BBC and there were reports of some cross fire between TNI and the GAM rebels. are we armed to counter such a threat?
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i think there's no weapons issued
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I think there will be weapons onboard the ships.No military personnel goes around with no Plan B.
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wear new SBO go but no weapons being used. maybe we r there for SAR not for WAR so no need weapon till we are attack upon.
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They had better be armed man...some assholes fired shots outside the UN compound prompting the Indonesian security forces to return fire(saw it on channel newasia).And that civilians are looting the bodies of dead soldiers for their weapons and ammunition.
Belief the SAF troopers have their weapons at their base camp or back on the LSTs.SAF should include armed escorts to prevent our troopers who are there on humanitarian missions to be targetted,as being armed signifies our willingness to fight back. -
Follow strict ROE.
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yup i agree...
no doubt ROE must be observed.
but we should be able to retaliate when fired upon.Originally posted by SpecOps87:They had better be armed man...some assholes fired shots outside the UN compound prompting the Indonesian security forces to return fire(saw it on channel newasia).And that civilians are looting the bodies of dead soldiers for their weapons and ammunition.
Belief the SAF troopers have their weapons at their base camp or back on the LSTs.SAF should include armed escorts to prevent our troopers who are there on humanitarian missions to be targetted,as being armed signifies our willingness to fight back. -
Read in papers that TNI is providing armed guards. SAF did request more guards after recent occurences and rumoured Acehnese rebel activity. From this, we can assume that our personnel are unarmed.
In any case, there's probably a lot of politics at work here. With so many foreign personnel from various countries, allowing them to be armed would make the disaster area an extremely militarised zone.
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See lah. Donate so much food and money and now those idiots Indonesians got energy go rob/rape and now attacks TNI/UN and later SAF?Originally posted by aerozapper:Read in papers that TNI is providing armed guards. SAF did request more guards after recent occurences and rumoured Acehnese rebel activity. From this, we can assume that our personnel are unarmed.
In any case, there's probably a lot of politics at work here. With so many foreign personnel from various countries, allowing them to be armed would make the disaster area an extremely militarised zone.
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Whats the R.O.E like?
No firing unless being fired upon?Or if the weapon pointed in their direction,they are free to engage?
Anyway,posibility that the various armed forces are not armed there is perhaps the threat of the rebels in the region is not deemed as high enough to justify the need to arm the relief troopers.And besides,if the Indons allow SAF to arm the troopers,the other countries will ask to do the same.Imagine your soverign ground with foreign armed troops there,what sort of signal will the Indons be sending?
As an outsider,I did say that this shows that they are incapable of defending their land and incapable of defending the relief troopers who are there to help aid them.So really hope the Indons do more to keep the various Military organisations there to aid the tsunami victims and make sure that what they have left their countries to do,be done. -
With tonnes of 'aid' coming from all over the world......
Some NGOs even arranging their own transportations.......
What's the odds that some of them contains enough explosives for another USS Cole? -
Don't think so easy to request your 'aid package' be delivered to specific location or via special means. Most of aid organizations tend to be previously accrediated to UN.Originally posted by Fairyland:With tonnes of 'aid' coming from all over the world......
Some NGOs even arranging their own transportations.......
What's the odds that some of them contains enough explosives for another USS Cole?
On carrying weapons, more problems than solves. If you see someone giving aid unarmed vs. some totting an attitude and armed; different reactions. Not being defensive but sometimes the US tends to rub everyone else the wrong way when 'insisting on right to self defence' as some posts seem to echo here. -
for the grasshoppers(
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but for the LSTs, there will be firearms and ammunitions...
but the ammo are not to be used anyhow...
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I suppose that the LSTs will have their own armskotes and ammo stores.... but only for use if and when the situation really heats up. After all, it sure isn't going to look good if people see the soldiers armed when they're supposedly on a humanitarian mission.
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call in the guys of megaforce!
(temujin, you're ibdtrdia on lf yes?
is that how you spell it anyway?)
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Yes, there's at least 1 platoon of armed SAF soldiers in addition to the TNI security force.
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Indonesia wants foreign troops out, defends restrictions on tsunami aid
Ungrateful people in the TNI. SAF should leave Aceh now as we are not welcomed anymore.
BANDA ACEH, Indonesia : Indonesia told foreign troops helping tsunami victims to get out of the country "the sooner the better" and defended tough new restrictions on aid workers, while rich nations prepared to freeze Jakarta's debt repayments.
Vice President Yusuf Kalla said foreign troops should leave tsunami-hit Aceh province on Sumatra island as soon as they finish their relief mission, staying no longer than three months, state media reported.
"Three months are enough. In fact, the sooner the better," Kalla was quoted by the state Antara news agency as saying.
The armed forces of Australia, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore and the United States have all rushed task forces to Aceh in the wake of the December 26 disaster which killed at least 106,000 Indonesians out of a total of more than 158,000 deaths in Asia.
United Nations officials struggling to coordinate a massive relief operation have welcomed their participation, particularly to deliver aid to isolated coastlines accessible only by sea or air.
But their presence in Indonesian territory has been a sensitive issue for the world's largest Muslim-populated nation which has traditionally kept foreign military, particularly the United States and Australia, at arm's length.
The vice president said Aceh in the near future would need foreign medical workers and engineers instead of military assistance.
"Foreign troops are no longer needed," he said.
Kalla's comments came after the country's military imposed sweeping new restrictions on foreign relief workers operating in Aceh, claiming they were in danger from rebels waging a long-running separatist war.
Analysts have said they believe the move was an attempt to reassert the military's control over the province, an accusation the government has denied.
Senior officials said foreign journalists would also be confined to major towns in the province, closing a post-disaster window of press freedom in the region which was locked down almost two years ago during a military offensive.
Indonesian troops have already begun accompanying United Nations missions to help victims of the tsunami and liaison officers are to be posted on the scores of foreign navy ships and military and civilian aircraft bringing thousands of tonnes of emergency supplies into the stricken area.
Despite statements from Free Aceh Movement rebels, known as GAM, pledging the safety of volunteers, Welfare Minister Alwi Shihab said the government was concerned that attacks on aid staff could scare off foreign assistance.
Indonesia's director of disaster relief in Aceh, Budi Atmadi, said the new regulations were also aimed at improving coordination for the huge aid operation, which has been hampered by lack of clear organisation.
"The purpose of this is not to restrict access, but to coordinate activities of all organisations to avoid overlap and assist in planning future operations."
More than 50 aid organisations have been working with foreign military task forces to bring relief to many areas isolated by destroyed roads and rugged mountains.
The United Nations says that while it does not believe its workers are under threat, the new regulations will not hinder its efforts.
Meanwhile, government creditors in the Paris Club of wealthy nations were set to agree at a meeting in the French capital Wednesday on freezing debt repayments by Indonesia and Sri Lanka, the country hit second hardest by the tsunamis.
Indonesia's foreign debt comes to around 132 billion dollars (100 billion euros), and the country is looking at three billion dollars in payments this year to service that debt.
On Tuesday, the United Nations secured 717 million dollars in record time for tsunami victims in Asia -- 73 percent of a 977-million-dollar appeal launched last week to meet immediate needs in the next six months
UN humanitarian relief coordinator Jan Egeland said after a donor's conference in Geneva it was the first time the world body had collected so much money in such a short space of time after a disaster.
"This has never ever happened before, that we, two weeks after a disaster, have 717 million dollars that we can spend on an emergency relief effort," Egeland told reporters.
Egeland said he was confident that the appeal for six months would soon be met in full. Of the 717 million dollars, 250 million alone is from Japan.
Some nine billion dollars has been pledged worldwide in short and long term aid after the disaster.
The figure, obtained by an AFP count, includes government money, donations pledged in an unprecedented outpouring of global public sympathy -- "humanity at its best," Egeland said -- as well as debt relief and loans. - AFP -
Vice President Yusuf Kalla - this is one guy to keep watch very closely.
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The vice president said Aceh in the near future would need foreign medical workers and engineers instead of military assistance.
Come on Indon VP.... much of the military assistance is in the form of combat engineers and medics! While he may not be happy with the presence of foreign troops, the fact remains that the military has the best resources and know-how for this sort of thing! Understandably he doesn't want the foreign troops to stay there forever, but right now (AND in the near future), he's going to need them!
The foreign troops are unarmed as far as I know anyway.... even the US marines have agreed to come ashore unarmed. -
What about the president ?
Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono(You do you know) -
The SAF ground element that asked for TNI protection was actually the medical team in Banda Aceh.
As for the Indonesia VP's "get out in 3 months" message, I think it's directed more at the US Marines - cuz, until they arrived, the foreign troops (inc. the US Navy Skyhawks) have been largely low-profile & task-oriented. The Marines, on the other hand, are historically vociferous in insisting on operating things its way & on a big scale at that. Today's ST, for example, reported that they wanna set up a forward base onland & also asked for Indonesian permission to fly its planes just to meet training needs. Talk about blatancy! Even the Australian ang-mo's didn't ask for that when they sent in their military to help. -
Rules of Engagement.
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Eh, not that rules of engagement?
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hahah hey! i didn't see the message before the edit! =(
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Well, they ARE afraid that Aceh would become Germany after WWII....Originally posted by fudgester:Come on Indon VP.... much of the military assistance is in the form of combat engineers and medics! While he may not be happy with the presence of foreign troops, the fact remains that the military has the best resources and know-how for this sort of thing! Understandably he doesn't want the foreign troops to stay there forever, but right now (AND in the near future), he's going to need them!
The foreign troops are unarmed as far as I know anyway.... even the US marines have agreed to come ashore unarmed.