GUARDS History.
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Mechanised infantry in PDF? Wah, this is news to me........Originally posted by bcoy:The different Guards brigades in the reserves are tasked with different operations - airmobile, amphibious operations, etc, etc. I ended up from airmobile to mechanised infantry in PDF. -
Not exactly related to Guards but since we're on the topic of history etc...
I was always curious, is there a reason why the divisions are numbered in multiples of three (e.g. 3rd Div, 6th Div & 9th Div)? -
369...Originally posted by aerozapper:Not exactly related to Guards but since we're on the topic of history etc...
I was always curious, is there a reason why the divisions are numbered in multiples of three (e.g. 3rd Div, 6th Div & 9th Div)?
salakau...lol....hehehe..okok...joking...
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Ya, but after the IRAQ war, SAF find that it not working very well as what had happen to the US. So it was somehow hang in mid-air.Originally posted by i-SHOT:Here's a tad piece of old news. For a moment there, the SAF was considering converting one of the Guards unit into a Marines detachment. This was sometime in the mid-80s. That was what the CDO commandant of our commanders course said. I guess that never happened.
It not scrap yet due to the "hard wear" we had purchase so (I think) someone is doing some changing up there. -
Not exactly related to Guards but since we're on the topic of history etc... I was always curious, is there a reason why the divisions are numbered in multiples of three (e.g. 3rd Div, 6th Div & 9th Div)?
I think it's so primarily cuz the SAF divisions, prior to the combined-arms revamp, were primarily infantry-based. A lot depended on how the 1st few batches of NS soldiers ORD'd (given that not every active combat was simultaneously formed together in the 1st place) & what the pioneering SAF planners chose to constitute as a functional brigade & subsequently divisional strength. They eventually settled on threes, i.e. 3 reservist SIRs forming a SIB (INF), & then 3 SIBs forming a DIV.
My uncle was one of the early NS recruits - sway-sway for him - & he told me before that the first few reservist SIRs all numbered in the 50's, as in 50 SIR, 51 SIR, 52 SIR, et al. The latter 3 units formed the 1st reservist SIB (5 SIB). 5 SIB, 6 SIB & 9 SIB eventually formed the 1st reservist DIV (6 DIV). If I'm correct, 10 SIB, 11 SIB & 12 SIB subsequently formed 9 DIV, another reservist force.
3 DIV's status itself was always active since the early days when they were known as Area III Command (don't ask me why); they were the main military mobilization force during the '70s when it came to policing refugees, aiding flood victims & the Hotel New World collapse. Unless I'm wrong, it comprises 2 SIB, 3 SIB & 7 SIB (the future Guards).
There's one more brigade, 1 SIB, which I assume was standalone cuz it comprises an army HQ but PDF personnel (volunteers & Merger remnants).
Still following? That leaves a pair of remaining numbers, "2" & "4" which were allocated to SAF Armour, as 4 SAB (active) 8 SAB (reservist). All in all, it meant that sometime in the '70s, there was enough personnel to form combat brigades that neatly numbered between 1 & 12, though in reality only the active ones can be said to be of a credible standard. For example, they didn't institutionalize IPPT as a fitness trial until 1980.... -
Just to add on - in the 1990's - the full-time Guards brigade was 7th SIB, there was a reserve Guards brigade - the 14th SIB, and you have 21DIV.Originally posted by aerozapper:Not exactly related to Guards but since we're on the topic of history etc...
I was always curious, is there a reason why the divisions are numbered in multiples of three (e.g. 3rd Div, 6th Div & 9th Div)?
So 7, 14, 21.
But 14SIB no longer exist today. -
bcoy, sorry dude but when you say 'airmobile' you're talking heliborne, right? I'm a little old school with the slang these days. Been away too long.
Man, I don't even know which Guards unit I'm attached to anymore. Like I said, it's been a while.Ya, but after the IRAQ war, SAF find that it not working very well as what had happen to the US. So it was somehow hang in mid-air.
Joshua1975, thanks for the update. I guess they're debating the use or effectiveness of a Marine unit. In fact, I think they (US Marines) are possibly one of the most versatile units out there.
It not scrap yet due to the "hard wear" we had purchase so (I think) someone is doing some changing up there.
Just by chance, I live about 7 miles down the road from Quantico where their WTBN (Weapons Training Bn) is based and I gotta say, they are easily one of the best riflemen out there. They are fanatics about basic marksmanship and such. Some of the best instructors I've trained with were former Marines. -
[quote]Originally posted by i-SHOT:
Just by chance, I live about 7 miles down the road from Quantico where their WTBN (Weapons Training Bn) is based and I gotta say, they are easily one of the best riflemen out there. They are fanatics about basic marksmanship and such. Some of the best instructors I've trained with were former Marines.
Talking about BASIC marksmanship. Where is ours?
Is there any more ATP or BTP around. I heard no more ATP but section live. Anyone still active? Can confirm? -
Originally posted by Joshua1975:
Okay not too sure currently, my men back in 2003, only had a ATP towards the end of their first yr in NS, and that was it, no more shoots for them till reservists.
[quote]Originally posted by i-SHOT:
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Just by chance, I live about 7 miles down the road from Quantico where their WTBN (Weapons Training Bn) is based and I gotta say, they are easily one of the best riflemen out there. They are fanatics about basic marksmanship and such. Some of the best instructors I've trained with were former Marines.
Talking about BASIC marksmanship. Where is ours?
Is there any more ATP or BTP around. I heard no more ATP but section live. Anyone still active? Can confirm?[/b]
During my cadet days, i went for my ATP as a cadet, so when i went to my unit, i was not eligibile for the ATP even though we took it, due to the transition ruling by G3 Branch.
I don't think the ATP will be cancelled and replaced with section live firing, think there is a need to cover the section, platoon and company live firing. Allows the men to the closest how a live firing with their platoon and company is like. -
THE GUARDS CREED
We are Guardsmen Warriors,
Resolute in loyalty,
Steadfast in commitment,
We fight for our country,
Our home and our family.
Land Warriors from air and sea,
Unfailing in toughness,
Valiant in our actions,
We destroy all foes who challenge our mission.
We are elite Warriors,
With daring initiative,
We rule the day,
And we rule the night,
Always ready, "Ready to Strike"! -
Hooyah fellow Guardsmen!!Originally posted by Joshua1975:THE GUARDS CREED
"We are elite Warriors,
With daring initiative,
We rule the day,
And we rule the night,
Always ready, "Ready to Strike"!
I remember mumbling that to myself (as a psych motivation..heh
) when I was going thru' POW week... 
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i strongly thinks tat regular guardsmen's salary should increase...kindda unreasonable to get the same pay as infantry...i praying for u guys...
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regular guardsmen's salary will not be any changes. for NSF at man level there is a diff all this while.Originally posted by redheaded:i strongly thinks tat regular guardsmen's salary should increase...kindda unreasonable to get the same pay as infantry...i praying for u guys... -
for NSF, they are getting $200 combat allowance if i'm not wrong.Originally posted by Joshua1975:regular guardsmen's salary will not be any changes. for NSF at man level there is a diff all this while. -
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wow... back than my man only get $60, infantry get $40, BRC guys get $80.Originally posted by Gordonator:for NSF, they are getting $200 combat allowance if i'm not wrong.
CDO get $500 now. -
sure or not CDO now $500? i though $300.Originally posted by Joshua1975:wow... back than my man only get $60, infantry get $40, BRC guys get $80.
CDO get $500 now. -
correction, in 1995 CDO NSF CPL getting SGD 600 for combat allowance and in total, they are getting about SGD 800+ back home.Originally posted by Gordonator:sure or not CDO now $500? i though $300.
today for a CDO CPL, he should be getting SGD 800 for combat allowance alone. bring home should be over 1k+. -
can anyone double comfirm this?Originally posted by Joshua1975:correction, in 1995 CDO NSF CPL getting SGD 600 for combat allowance and in total, they are getting about SGD 800+ back home.
today for a CDO CPL, he should be getting SGD 800 for combat allowance alone. bring home should be over 1k+.
like that a CDO CPL is getting more than a non-CDO junior NSF officer.
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I was under the impression that a CBRE 3SG is the highest paid?Take home pay >$900?
Unless there are CBRE trained CDO 3SGs around... -
Hey, careful thereOriginally posted by kwlee:yeah, must respect signaller oso .. lolx
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CBRE is very new and it no suprise to me with the work they do and are getting higher than any other unit.Originally posted by LazerLordz:I was under the impression that a CBRE 3SG is the highest paid?Take home pay >$900?
Unless there are CBRE trained CDO 3SGs around... -
you can say that because in 1995 the CDO officer are getting over 1k.Originally posted by Gordonator:can anyone double comfirm this?
like that a CDO CPL is getting more than a non-CDO junior NSF officer. -
wow! i'm from engineers yet i didn't know that.Originally posted by LazerLordz:I was under the impression that a CBRE 3SG is the highest paid?Take home pay >$900?
Unless there are CBRE trained CDO 3SGs around...
tomorrow i request my encik to post me to CBRE. -
i think joshua is talking about payscales for a regular?Originally posted by Gordonator:can anyone double comfirm this?
like that a CDO CPL is getting more than a non-CDO junior NSF officer.
because i'm a nsf CDO CPL and i'm getting $740 - $440 rank pay and $300 combat allowance ( combat 'c' - for cdo and divers ).