CPT Pandiaraj
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how can u b certain of this? r u some high level officer in the US forces tts allowed to access privillaged info? dnt quote wat u cnt verify.Originally posted by Electrostatic:US rangers attending the gruelling Ranger course don't get killed by their own. -
You mean apart from dishonourable discharge?Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:I'm kind of more interested in what MINDEF is gonna do now after the sentence have been passed. -
Oh boy - here we go again. This one's so mindlessly unoriginal I won't even bother going through everything again.Originally posted by Electrostatic:+1
If he's such a great leader this unfortunate event and the loss of an innocent life May he rest in peace.. wouldnt have happened.
Blaming underlings? dont think its right.. underlings look to the leader to provide leadership and guidance, thats the meaning of leader...to lead
If the underlings do something dreadful, it means leadership was lacking
i have to disagree... we do not need leaders that allow our fellow countrymen to die without cause.
Winning the sword of honour means nothing if you can't manage a training course properly.
US rangers attending the gruelling Ranger course don't get killed by their own. -
thanks but i'm just a low-ling offering my honest opinion..that is allowed in a public forum isnt it? Or have you imposed martial law? In that case, please disregard my earlier post and I will not cause you any further agony.Originally posted by Gedanken:Oh boy - another armchair general.
You sound like THE authority and belittle others, are you like the supreme commander who thinks you know more than everyone else?
What makes you so sure of that? What makes you so sure that nobody who posts at a public forum knows more than you about the armed forces?
What makes you soo confident that that poster is anot an active officer in the unit concerned?
Pls exercise some decorum.
Thank You and have a nice life
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So you design surfboards and skateboards for the Army, do you? Are you on a battalion skateboard-design exercise now, or are you simply going to report sick in 4 hours' time?
Sheesh, if you were an active officer in the unit concerned, I'd say things have really gone downhill since I left. I'd pity them men under you because they've been seriously shortchanged.
Apart from trying to pull that dumb "I could be an active officer" stunt, if you're willing to condemn someone based upon what you read in the papers, then you really are as monumentally stupid as I say you are. As Heng, whose post on SGForums incidentally made this case public, has said, there's a lot of people here talking a lot of crap and you've just joined that list.
Tell you what - if you've got so much of an inside track, a bunch of our lads who trained and served with Pandiaraj, and who know about the case, are having a reunion soon. Care to provide your lowly opinion to them? Actually, I'll extend that invitation to Moxie as well, since he's so desperate to have his opinion heard.
While you're at it, think about how the Commandos themselves had to stomach three of their guys being killed, with the Air Force pilot getting off with a suspended sentence from a military court, which is the right place for such a case. You didn't hear us moaning about it.
Yeah, I AM so sure - are you?
Please exercise some thought. Then again, that might be a tall order in your case.
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ROFL....
oh man.. dun ever rub geddy boy the wrong way. -
This guy just made it WAY too easy.Originally posted by jOhO:ROFL....
oh man.. dun ever rub geddy boy the wrong way. 
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incidentally, i used to be a CDO too, but frankly.. i have NO IDEA wtf is happening inside. not that i dun care, but i think i'm back in civilian life now, and downgraded somemore, so haven't been back for reservist to hear stories. i don't even know who pandiaraj is, prob after my time? i enlisted in jan 1994, under fred cheong, and then subsequently, lee wei cheng.
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Nope, jOhO, Pandiaraj was there before you - 2 Coy, enlisted in 1990, to be precise. We're having a reunion next week, with about two-thirds of the company turning up.
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[quote]Originally posted by Gedanken:
Sheesh, if you are an active officer in the unit concerned, I'd say things have really gone downhill since I left. I'd pity them men under you because they've been seriously shortchanged.
thanks for your concern, sincerly
If you're willing to condemn someone based upon what you read in the papers, then you really are as dumb as I say you are. As Heng, whose post on SGForums incidentally made this case public, has said, there's a lot of people here talking a lot of crap.
everyone is entitle to his/her opinion, if you think I'm dumb without knowing me and from a posting than I can only say..everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion
Tell you what - if you've got so much of an inside track, a bunch of our lads who trained and served with Pandiaraj, and who know about the case, are having a reunion soon. Care to provide your lowly opinion to them?
the opinion of ex-servicemen is not of my concern, .thanks for the invite..
Not everyone who has served with Pandiraj has the same opinion of him as you and your guys..that is only human
While you're at it, think about how the Commandos themselves had to stomach three of their guys being killed, with the Air Force pilot getting off with a suspended sentence from a military court, which is the right place for such a case. You didn't hear us moaning about it.
agreed, good case in point
Yeah, I AM so sure - are you?
I would be lying if i said no
your opinion of this sensitive case is noted with thanks.
This is my last post on this extremly sensitive case which if prolonged, publicised and speculated on will only serve no good porpose to the intergrity and training procedures of the SAF.
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hmm wonder how come i never heard of him then.. cos he would be there when i was there, since he's a regular...? what was he doing in 94/95? just wondering...Originally posted by Gedanken:Nope, jOhO, Pandiaraj was there before you - 2 Coy, enlisted in 1990, to be precise. We were in the same batch, and we're having a reunion next week, with about two-thirds of the company turning up.
wow.. nice to see you all still in touch, after so long! i think i lost contact with most of my cdo brudders becos i went overseas to study.
one of them is ng cheng hye, or more commonly known as vincent ng, the mediacorp artist cum wushu expert!! ahhaha
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What, Electrostatic, no mention of the "serving officer" bullsh*t? So you're a liar and a coward.
Opinions are like assholes - everyone's got one, and it's usually wise not to show it in public.
You're in way over your head. Deciding to quit is the first smart thing you've done here. -
Originally posted by Gedanken:
what can i say... a public forum..no flame no game
What, Electrostatic, no mention of the "serving officer" bullsh*t? So you're a liar [b]and a coward.
Opinions are like assholes - everyone's got one, and it's usually wise not to show it in public.
You're in way over your head. Deciding to quit is the first smart thing you've done here.[/b] -
Not sure - probably a section commander or platoon sargeant tour.Originally posted by jOhO:hmm wonder how come i never heard of him then.. cos he would be there when i was there, since he's a regular...? what was he doing in 94/95? just wondering...
Hey, I came back after 9 years in Oz, and got together with a small group of the guys to get the whole company back together, starting with an 11-year-old contact list. It can be done!Originally posted by jOhO:wow.. nice to see you all still in touch, after so long! i think i lost contact with most of my cdo brudders becos i went overseas to study.
So, was he known as a yandao back then?Originally posted by jOhO:one of them is ng cheng hye, or more commonly known as vincent ng, the mediacorp artist cum wushu expert!! ahhaha
You've been around long enough to know that linear thought has a very short lifespan in these here parts!Originally posted by jOhO:er, are we getting off topic here, or are we just acting in true fashion of sgforums? -
That sounds so grand, but under that talk of your "concern", you just don't have the nerve to repeat what you said to the people who REALLY know what was going on, do you? Thought so - you're full of it.Originally posted by Electrostatic:the opinion of ex-servicemen is not of my concern, .thanks for the invite..
Last post, huh? Another lie. Well, why don't you stick around? There's plenty more of this waiting for you:Originally posted by Electrostatic:what can i say... a public forum..no flame no game
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Gende,
i've also been here long enuff not to bother to cut and paste quotes that have been split by cut and pasted quotes!! ahhaha
we know him as "wushu" that's his nickname that's wat we all call him.
at one stage, one of my closer buddies who's bday falls on boxing day always held a xmas cum bday bbq at his place every year. but since 2 years he's gotten married and had a daughter, so no more bbq, and no more meeting with the guys, and even if we did, maybe only a handful, at most 15 of us.
3/4 of a company is AMAZING after all these years, in true spirit of cdo's integrity and cohesion! hope u enjoy urselves!
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Okay, so I'm picky about aesthetics!
Thanks - I'm sure we'll have a blast. Yeah, our guys are pretty tight. We had our first gathering in December (this coming one's a short follow-up to bring in the guys we missed the first time), and Ng Heng Chew, our OC, was pretty chuffed that we managed to get so many guys together. Then again, he built the company, and that's a guy I would attach the "legend" title to.
Anyway, these reunions are going to be an annual affair. I heard from the OC of 2 Coy of 1977 that they just had their reunion a couple of weeks ago. -
can't even say something original. must steal ditzy's line.Originally posted by Electrostatic:what can i say... a public forum..no flame no game -
You mean the 'finger'....Originally posted by HENG@:can't even say something original. must steal ditzy's line. -
'It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy course; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.'
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Any idea if you there is a safer way of simulating a drowning w/o puttin the trainee's head in a tub which took the life of 2SG Hu and almost took the life of CPT.Ho.
Read from SAS that they use a pillow case or sack which has been soaked with water and place it over the trainee with his hands tied...it gives a feeling of drowning w/o actually drowning.And saw a SEAL footage of them blindfolding a trainee and the cloth blindfold extends over the nostrils and water is poured into the trainee's mouth continuosly...
CAn anyone share if the SAF practices the above two methods and if are they safer then the actual act of dunking and diggin their nose to prevent them from holding their breath.
**note->I'm not sure if I'm mistaken,but guys did they find out who the bugger who was wearing half-finger gloves during the exercise?Bith the LTAs denied it being them...so who could it be?Ghost ahz?**
please feel free to comment...thanks...And Ged...Pop a Chill Pill man...not worth gettin your blood boiled over some senseless punkass... -
pouring water continously on a blindfolded trainee's face is the closest to safety i guess...Originally posted by SpecOps87:Any idea if you there is a safer way of simulating a drowning w/o puttin the trainee's head in a tub which took the life of 2SG Hu and almost took the life of CPT.Ho.
Read from SAS that they use a pillow case or sack which has been soaked with water and place it over the trainee with his hands tied...it gives a feeling of drowning w/o actually drowning.And saw a SEAL footage of them blindfolding a trainee and the cloth blindfold extends over the nostrils and water is poured into the trainee's mouth continuosly...
CAn anyone share if the SAF practices the above two methods and if are they safer then the actual act of dunking and diggin their nose to prevent them from holding their breath.
**note->I'm not sure if I'm mistaken,but guys did they find out who the bugger who was wearing half-finger gloves during the exercise?Bith the LTAs denied it being them...so who could it be?Ghost ahz?**
please feel free to comment...thanks...And Ged...Pop a Chill Pill man...not worth gettin your blood boiled over some senseless punkass... -
Gerdakan, you mean I'm factually wrong with my comment?
What's with this infatuation with personal attacks at me, as if you're still in some sort of denial over the guilty verdicts?
Complain to Yung Pong How, lah. Phone number is 6332-3901; email to [email protected] -
Those who do not know what had actually happened at the dunking or do not know Pandiaraj personally, please do not defame him.
I know this guy, he was my commander years back. He is a great man.
I am sure you have heard about the notorious Ranger Cadres from my camp and what they do and can do. But Raj, he's different yet better than most.
Like some who have said earlier, he is truely a family man but he also places his country ahead. It will really be a pity if his career has to be affected by this case. I hope and pray that his appeal goes through.
This dunking matter was an example of how the organisation works. Raj was not part of this other than being the Officer to approve the training which many others before him had done the same. The boy did not die in his hands, nor did Raj instigate the two other officers to handle the dunking exercise in an apparently different way. There is a proper procedure to conduct this exercise, but the two officers went beyond that and caused the death of the soldier. I went through the water dunking myself too. It is not as bad as what people think. If it's that dangerous, you and your friends better not go to the swimming pool and play those drowning games.
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amen to that....Originally posted by tristan21:Those who do not know what had actually happened at the dunking or do not know Pandiaraj personally, please do not defame him.
I know this guy, he was my commander years back. He is a great man.
I am sure you have heard about the notorious Ranger Cadres from my camp and what they do and can do. But Raj, he's different yet better than most.
Like some who have said earlier, he is truely a family man but he also places his country ahead. It will really be a pity if his career has to be affected by this case. I hope and pray that his appeal goes through.
This dunking matter was an example of how the organisation works. Raj was not part of this other than being the Officer to approve the training which many others before him had done the same. The boy did not die in his hands, nor did Raj instigate the two other officers to handle the dunking exercise in an apparently different way. There is a proper procedure to conduct this exercise, but the two officers went beyond that and caused the death of the soldier. I went through the water dunking myself too. It is not as bad as what people think. If it's that dangerous, you and your friends better not go to the swimming pool and play those drowning games.
Enough said. Nobody wanted this to happen. But it still did.