Is Singapore too depended on US for it Defence ?
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Is Singapore too depended on US for it Defence ?
Every time I hear that SG is buying some new toys, there bound to be US "toys Maker" involve in it, why limit ourself where there so many choices in the worlds such as France, Britian russia and even Ukraine.
Heard from some one that when SG brought the longbows from the US, they withheld the tracking systems from the gunships and make some promise that will delivery to us in time of need, is it truth
how they going to arrived at the time of need? -
the tracking system are one bloody expensive thingy to be bought
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Nope... What we get is only after US gives the green light for the weapons we requested...
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if we are really that dependant on the US, we would have bought all of our hardware from them liao, including our new aircraft type. there is even no need for any trials with the rafale or eurofighter.
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Sg $ vs US $ now not bad. Our Sg $ going strong. So make sense if buy from US.
THe next new generation fighter will not be the F15, trust me!
Certain weapons are back in mother land...who told you they r still in the states?
Weapons comin up next will be MLRS, new light tanks, fighter a/c from Europe, frigates, subs etc etc. -
our apache is called defence apache not attack apache sqn
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You sure fighter aircraft from Europe??? MINDEF keeps a tight lip until they offically announceOriginally posted by Manager433:Sg $ vs US $ now not bad. Our Sg $ going strong. So make sense if buy from US.
THe next new generation fighter will not be the F15, trust me!
Certain weapons are back in mother land...who told you they r still in the states?
Weapons comin up next will be MLRS, new light tanks, fighter a/c from Europe, frigates, subs etc etc. -
Wait and see loh.
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Well... Any last minute things may also affect the decision... So we shall wait and seeOriginally posted by Manager433:Wait and see loh. -
like my guys in the snq says:"this is the air force, anything could happen"Originally posted by sbst275:Well... Any last minute things may also affect the decision... So we shall wait and see
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Just like the Sth Korea... Rafale was in the lead, but because of the last min approval of weapons, they chose the F-15Originally posted by martin_lim85:like my guys in the snq says:"this is the air force, anything could happen" -
hahaha i thought "the sky the limit " sound nicerOriginally posted by martin_lim85:like my guys in the snq says:"this is the air force, anything could happen" -
RSAF currently has the A-4(soon to be scrapped), F-5 & F-16, all from the US. if we are not good terms with US & they simply refuse to sell us spare parts/components for our F-5 & F-16, then we are doomed.Originally posted by sbst275:You sure fighter aircraft from Europe??? MINDEF keeps a tight lip until they offically announce -
Thats y I asked sbst that why he thinks tat the next gen a/c is the F15...Originally posted by epImetheus:RSAF currently has the A-4(soon to be scrapped), F-5 & F-16, all from the US. if we are not good terms with US & they simply refuse to sell us spare parts/components for our F-5 & F-16, then we are doomed. -
That why I say why keep all our eggs in the same basket.
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and the UH-1H also soon to be scrapped tooOriginally posted by epImetheus:RSAF currently has the A-4(soon to be scrapped), F-5 & F-16, all from the US. if we are not good terms with US & they simply refuse to sell us spare parts/components for our F-5 & F-16, then we are doomed. -
Then why we are in the JSF prog???Originally posted by Manager433:Thats y I asked sbst that why he thinks tat the next gen a/c is the F15... -
Bell 212... Dun know how old is this man....Originally posted by martin_lim85:and the UH-1H also soon to be scrapped too -
Weapons is US?If nt wrong I belief we only have the AIM-120 in US,which will be delievered to us when things go hot.
AH-64 Apache tracking system?You mean the AH-64 with a rotor mounted Longbow radar system is it?Though we ordered 8 of those and 12 of the AH-64Ds w/o the Longbow.Can't really recall...
Anyway,please do not that the Igla SAM used by RSAF is of Russian make.The RBS70,Mistral are of Eurpoean make.And the Orelikion AA guns are of European make too if I didn't recall wrong.
Navy wise the Gabriel and Barak is Israeli made if not wrong.
Army side the SPIKE ATGM is a joint project between S'pore and Israel and MILAN is of Eurpoean make.
To sidetrack alittle,the Taraus revolver used by the SPF is made in Brazil.
So how can it be said that we are too dependent on US for equipment.besides,purchase of US equipment is due to the fact that they are very highly precise weapons and platforms.And are reliable,thus the procurement on most of our hardware is from them.But eventually,we may use more locally made stuff. -
In 2003, 50 of our AIM 120C AAMs arrived in Singapore.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Weapons is US?If nt wrong I belief we only have the AIM-120 in US,which will be delievered to us when things go hot.
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Is tt so?Hmmz.not too sure,muz have missed the news report.Anyway...is it due to the purchase of F/A-18s by the Matlanders?
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No - MY took delivery of its F/A-18C Hornet in 1997.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Is tt so?Hmmz.not too sure,muz have missed the news report.Anyway...is it due to the purchase of F/A-18s by the Matlanders?
Anyway , we should got all of our first batch of AIM 120 back in SG.
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AIM 120C -
Deal worth $85-100 m; for F-16 and possibly F-5S combat aircraft; stored in USA until 2003 when delivered to Singapore after China and Viet Nam introduced similar AA-12 missiles in 2002/2003[/quote]
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No - MY took delivery of its F/A-18C Hornet in 1997.
Yes, agree. We should have got all our AIM-120s back.
Anyway , we should got all of our first batch of AIM 120 back in SG.
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Deal worth $85-100 m; for F-16 and possibly F-5S combat aircraft; stored in USA until 2003 when delivered to Singapore after China and Viet Nam introduced similar AA-12 missiles in 2002/2003
The agreement was NOT that we would receive the weapons when "things got hot". Rather, it was that the missiles would remain stored in the US until another country introduced similar ranged missiles first. This point was to prevent an arms race.
Since, the AA-12 (also known as R-77) Adder has been introduced by China & Vietnam, the agreement now allows us to claim our missiles.
For those unfamiliar with missile terminology:
- the AIM-120 missile is called the AMRAAM (Advanced Medium Range Air to Air Missile)
- the AA-12 Adder is also commonly nicknamed the "AMRAAMski" as many suspect it's a Russian copy and is similar in many respects. -
We are in the JSF program not because we intend to shop American. In my opinion, I suspect it's more because there aren't any other fighter aircraft programmes in the same class as the JSF & F-22 that Singapore can join easily.Originally posted by sbst275:Then why we are in the JSF prog???
Besides the F-22 & JSF programmes, only Russia currently has active programmes into new stealthy fighter aircraft, namely, the Berkut & MiG 1.44 programmes.
Of all programmes mentioned, only the JSF can be called a truly multi-national programme as the F-22 is a US-only project at the moment and the Russian programmes are restricted to Russia and in a way China (for financing).