Paramilitary Unit in SG
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Please lor.. now if teachers in charge or CLT make the cadets do push up on the hot tar road parents start to complain. Nowadays some schools even ban practices such as push ups on hot tar road, running in afternoon sun and other petty stuff due to the endless complaints from parents.Originally posted by lwflee:Eg. in the mid 90s, it was common to be subjected to 400+ pushups in the course of each trg session. The push ups were done on the hot tar road under the blistering afternoon sun; the pushups also varied from diamond to knuckle to the std pushups. The cadets were also subjected to punishment like "touch the backgate and come back", ranger jumps, change parades and the like.
In terms of discipline, cadets were expected to jump to every command, however absurd. I remember when 20+ cadets were told to squeeze into a toilet cubilcle as punishment! I also remember instances where cadets were awoken at night for PT!
Now, it would be difficult to get the cadets just to shut up! The change is amazing! -
In an age where schoolgirls get "traumatised" from hearing a word which they use a lot online and in school, and where Principals are dimissed for tapping student's head with a thin book... not to forget the book tearing video incident...Originally posted by ken_nerve:Please lor.. now if teachers in charge or CLT make the cadets do push up on the hot tar road parents start to complain. Nowadays some schools even ban practices such as push ups on hot tar road, running in afternoon sun and other petty stuff due to the endless complaints from parents.
Makes you wonder where we're going.
Anyway, 2 years ago not even our most sadistic instructor made us push up on hot tar.
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There seems to be a misunderstanding of the term "paramilitary." "Para" may be simplistically translated as "like" or "similar to." Thus, generally speaking, a paramilitary organisation is simply one that is modelled after an established military organisation or bears attribute resemblance to it.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Hi guys,
I understand that in Tim Huxleys's "Defending the Lion City",it was quoted that the National Cadet Corp (NCC) is to be considered as a Paramilitary Unit.
Now I have a few questions here...Hope you guys can help clarify my doubts.
1st:In war,will the NCC be activated to guard installations or engage in combat with the invaders as a reserve force as we have like 16,000 cadets?
2nd:Who will be leading the NCC cadets?Will it be the teacher officers,cadet lieutenants and cadet specialists?Or will SAF Officers and Specialist will command them?
3rd:Will teacher officers,cadet lieutenants and cadet specialists be granted the same power and authorities of those of the same rank in the SAF?
4th:If any member of the NCC is caught and made a POW,will they be subjected to the same rules under the Geneva Convention?
5th:Where will the NCC units from the various schools be drawing their weapons and ammunition from in the event of war?As from my understanding,HQ NCC only has an armoury of a couple hundred AR-15s and M-16s for training and live firing.And the magazines are also limited, \also the bayonets available there are for ceremonial use.
6th:Where will equipment like SBO,helmet etc...be drawn?As they do not have personal issued equipment like SBo,helmet all that.
NCC is a paramilitary in that sense. Not in the sense that it will be called upon to fight a war together with the SAF. -
what we need is a well regulated, paramilitary organisation that works along govermental forces..
like for eg, www.awrm.org -
Dude.It's a school.Not a boot camp.When the distinction is blurred, society will suffer in the long run.Originally posted by ken_nerve:Please lor.. now if teachers in charge or CLT make the cadets do push up on the hot tar road parents start to complain. Nowadays some schools even ban practices such as push ups on hot tar road, running in afternoon sun and other petty stuff due to the endless complaints from parents. -
NCC are bunch of Poosies!@#
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It takes a possie to noe a bunch of possies....Originally posted by MunnaBhai_MBBS:NCC are bunch of Poosies!@# -
Hmm trying to recall where I learnt; that in times of conflict the NCC will be demob immediately and all 'weapons and equipment' returned to SAF. This is to avoid contravene geneva conventions on use of 'child soliders'.Originally posted by patriot:There seems to be a misunderstanding of the term "paramilitary." "Para" may be simplistically translated as "like" or "similar to." Thus, generally speaking, a paramilitary organisation is simply one that is modelled after an established military organisation or bears attribute resemblance to it.
NCC is a paramilitary in that sense. Not in the sense that it will be called upon to fight a war together with the SAF.
Scouts were used in UK and Singapore during WWII b/cos they are considered 'youth movements' like the YMCA, Red-Cross/St John's and Boys/Girls bridgade (church movement). During the Second WW in UK, the UK equal of the NCC (name escapes me) were immediately disbanded b/cos above concerns.
In reality - Para-miltary organizations are more like armed bands linked to political parties or religious organizations. They are a dime a dozen in Indonesia etc. Such para-miltary units include the Bre-Mob (Police reserve), Force Ankarta (local militia) are oftern armed, discplined on military lines and uniformed. These guys can be as tough as our guardsmen without the sophisticated armoury. -
hahaha, NCC "paramilitary"... goes to show that Tim Huxley is a foreigner and he shouldn't ever have attempted to write a book about Singapore's defence.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Hi guys,
I understand that in Tim Huxleys's "Defending the Lion City",it was quoted that the National Cadet Corp (NCC) is to be considered as a Paramilitary Unit.
He based his entire book on facts and figures - and propaganda - that was fed to him or through his own research.
What he lacked when writing this book was in depth understanding. He made Singapore out to be a super military power while making the Malaysians and Indonesians look like boy scouts.
He forgets that the Indonesians especially, are experienced, ruthless and battle-hardened soldiers. -
ncc is in this state is not bcoz the cadets are weak..but bcoz of the way the society works..BMT now is not as tough as it use to..i can seriously tell you that if CLTs are given the authority they used to have..NCC will not b wat it is now..the situtation it is in is bcoz of parents who are pampering their children and not bcoz the organisation is weak..so pls do not look down on NCC..
anyway..i've been through SAF courses where i c officers and even scholars who behave juz like ncc cadets.. -
What the hell gives a mere CLT the authority he thinks he deserves?Punks all of them.Have they served a single day of NS?No.So they should learn to shut up and realise that this is not their private fiefdom.No professionalism at all.Gee.
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no offence..but some officer and sergeant are younger than the CLTs and serving NS does not necessary means that they are any better..CLTs have not served any day of NS not bcoz the dun wan to..but bcoz they are still persuing their studies..
n when i say giving them authority does not mean doing anything they wan..but giving authority to train up their cadets like wat the gd old NCC used to..its bcoz of parents of todae who complains and complains that coz NCC to b wat it is todae..and the SAF also facing the same thing..so pls do not juz laugh at NCC everytime it is mentioned..do gif it due recognition that its cadets has earned swords of honours in OCS and silver boynets in SISPEC... -
Hmmm...Silver Bayonets? You haven't served, have you?Originally posted by SouLRaideR:no offence..but some officer and sergeant are younger than the CLTs and serving NS does not necessary means that they are any better..CLTs have not served any day of NS not bcoz the dun wan to..but bcoz they are still persuing their studies..
n when i say giving them authority does not mean doing anything they wan..but giving authority to train up their cadets like wat the gd old NCC used to..its bcoz of parents of todae who complains and complains that coz NCC to b wat it is todae..and the SAF also facing the same thing..so pls do not juz laugh at NCC everytime it is mentioned..do gif it due recognition that its cadets has earned swords of honours in OCS and silver boynets in SISPEC...
The problem in general is not because of the lack of power of the CLTs but the generation that we're having nowadays...
This includes the CLT/SCLTs as well...Period.. -
One big distinction,when you are in NS, you are a legitimate combatant under the Geneva Convention.You are trained to kill or as a force that supports and replensihes those that kill.NCC authority is used to knock down people who straddle the fine line between military-like organisations with civilian members.CLTs who can get things done get my respect, but not those who think they own the parade square.Those days are gone, get with it.
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tt wat i'm trying to say..and qoutes like above is doing disservice to those who had served well...so watch how u put ur wordsOriginally posted by MunnaBhai_MBBS:NCC are bunch of Poosies!@#