Yom Kippur War
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ok.. it's late now... good nite all...
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hahahaha. gotcha. enough said.Originally posted by freddy the K:ha ha ha.!!! u actually think i'd jump at what you say? oh dear feng pei, u really think too highly of yourself....
Repeat? u dun know what it means to repeat! i've repeatedly questioned the credibility of your allegations and u have nothing to show for it! now, u r actually telling me u cant even remember if it's a COL or a star??? good grief, how convenient.
"I've never looked too highly on many of the SAF high ups" - no one in the SAF even looks at you, dear boy.
and pls dun drag the issue about En Huai's death in here. u r merely sullyin his name!!! he died needlessly but rather than wallow in self-pity, some of us actually take pride that he made a difference. He, alone, shook the foundations of the SAF in a way that neither CDF nor Minister Teo could. u know little abt what he has accomplished so dun go around hypocritically bearing his banner to pursue your personal agenda!!!! En huai was more of a man than u will ever be. LOSER!!!!
"so sue me. U've got a problem with it, bark away. I don't care. "
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I see, so u are only quoting the words from that officer?Originally posted by HENG@:oh someone in service. no wonder u jump up like someone stepped on your tail.
i will repeat a 3rd time, we had some NE talk in sch where this SAF guy, can't remember if its a COL or actually a star, came and started talking about SAF capabilities yada yada. And then I raised the issue of the Yom Kippur war with him and how being overconfident can be disasterous and when he failed to actually give a proper reply to that, I've never looked too highly on many of the SAF high ups. And then with the whole issue with 2SG Hu's death, MINDEF just about sunk down there with them. And thats my view of the whole MINDEF n SAF. so sue me. U've got a problem with it, bark away. I don't care.
I think its human nature lah... everyone more or less like to boast a bit... else u expect him to say SAF can't do this and SAF can't do that on the NE? Btw what's NE? National education? hahaa.. sorry I never make it to JC..
IMHO on papers, SAF does looks impressive in many areas..
However to be frank I never want to see SAF's capabilities to be proven in anyway other than in event like the recent humanitarian relief work.
Undeniable MINDEF n SAF had did a pretty good job and have bring proud to this country. I believe everyone will agree that they do deserve some respects. -
[quote]Originally posted by HENG@:
[b]oh someone in service. no wonder u jump up like someone stepped on your tail.
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got your ass!!!! stop using his death as an act of a martyr to pursue your personal agendas!!!!Originally posted by HENG@:hahahaha. gotcha. enough said.
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oh so now u're admitting there ARE such talks? tell me what u had for lunch on the 10th of January in 2000 then. Do i have to remember his rank and name just because he is an SAF personnel? No I don't have to.Originally posted by freddy the K:not WAS, silly. Such NE talks ARE regular events. oh yes, base your judgement on "that small exchange 4 or 5 years ago" which u somehow conveniently suffer selective amnesia from....
oh well, u can drag the ass to the river, but u cant make him drink...
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hmmm. ok i guess i kinda agree with u a bit. Yes NE is national education. Well I don't deny that the recent humanitarian work deserves an applause. Did u checkout kopi's thread? he posted some pics. He was one of the personnel involved in the relief work.Originally posted by Paladin:I see, so u are only quoting the words from that officer?
I think its human nature lah... everyone more or less like to boast a bit... else u expect him to say SAF can't do this and SAF can't do that on the NE? Btw what's NE? National education? hahaa.. sorry I never make it to JC..
IMHO on papers, SAF does looks impressive in many areas..
However to be frank I never want to see SAF's capabilities to be proven in anyway other than in event like the recent humanitarian relief work.
Undeniable MINDEF n SAF had did a pretty good job and have bring proud to this country. I believe everyone will agree that they do deserve some respects. -
what happened to heng@ is ruffled and freddy is not?Originally posted by freddy the K:got your ass!!!! stop using his death as an act of a martyr to pursue your personal agendas!!!!
Gd nite!
like i said, gotcha. there r some things about the whole case u will never know if u weren't directly involved. so toodles! nite! -
"oh so now u're admitting there ARE such talks?" - and since when have i denied such talks? i even told u i give such talks as a secondary duty.Originally posted by HENG@:oh so now u're admitting there ARE such talks? tell me what u had for lunch on the 10th of January in 2000 then. Do i have to remember his rank and name just because he is an SAF personnel? No I don't have to.
knowing what i had for lunch is not relevant to u proving what u alleged. You knowing who u spoke to is. do u even remember what u ate last year? is your life is so sad that u have to go around remembering what u eat? well, i guess that shows alot har?
"Do i have to remember his rank and name just because he is an SAF personnel?"
no, u dun have to remember his rank and name just because he is an SAF personnel. But u shld remember who u spoke to. i remember who came to my JC to speak, and that's definitely more than 4-5 years ago as compared to you! -
come to think of it, that speaker might have been you. simply put, i didn't bother remembering who that guy is, because he is not relevant to me or my life. but from the looks of it, probably was u, which is why that speaker is so unimpressive.Originally posted by freddy the K:"oh so now u're admitting there ARE such talks?" - and since when have i denied such talks? i even told u i give such talks as a secondary duty.
knowing what i had for lunch is not relevant to u proving what u alleged. You knowing who u spoke to is. do u even remember what u ate last year? is your life is so sad that u have to go around remembering what u eat? well, i guess that shows alot har?
"Do i have to remember his rank and name just because he is an SAF personnel?"
no, u dun have to remember his rank and name just because he is an SAF personnel. But u shld remember who u spoke to. i remember who came to my JC to speak, and that's definitely more than 4-5 years ago as compared to you! -
who's ruffled? i merely tire of the way you sully the memory of a comrade in arm. like i say, got your ASS!!!.Originally posted by HENG@:what happened to heng@ is ruffled and freddy is not?
like i said, gotcha. there r some things about the whole case u will never know if u weren't directly involved. so toodles! nite!
i know more than u do cos i didn't hide behind some clerk's desk and listen to the 2nd rate news from an old classmate who did not even see what they did to En huai. I know more cos i was at his wake every single day! I know more cos i had to plough thru the numerous reports and attend court. where were u and what have u done except hide behind the screen? did you testify? did u comfort his grieving family?
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but u didn't come out and tell the world that SAF is lying when they said he had collapsed instead of saying he drowned. why? why let the SAF make it sound like it's En Huai's fault for dying initially? why? because u'd be putting your job on the line if u did that? huh? too much risks involved to tell the truth? well damn you. I took those risks, u didn't, so what if u were at his wake? so what if u had to plough thru the reports and attend court? DID u try to tell the truth when it mattered? DID u even try to tell a half truth when it mattered? Dare u look at the 4 people charged in court now and tell me anyone of them is actually directly responsible for En Huai's death? DARE YOU?Originally posted by freddy the K:who's ruffled? i merely tire of the way you sully the memory of a comrade in arm. like i say, got your ASS!!!.
i know more than u do cos i didn't hide behind some clerk's desk and listen to the 2nd rate news from an old classmate who did not even see what they did to En huai. I know more cos i was at his wake every single day! I know more cos i had to plough thru the numerous reports and attend court. where were u and what have u done except hide behind the screen? did you testify? did u comfort his grieving family?
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me? nar... i dun speak at NJC. yup, it is convenient for you to say u dun bother to remember....Originally posted by HENG@:come to think of it, that speaker might have been you. simply put, i didn't bother remembering who that guy is, because he is not relevant to me or my life. but from the looks of it, probably was u, which is why that speaker is so unimpressive.
"but from the looks of it, probably was u, which is why that speaker is so unimpressive."
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OH MY GOD! YOU'RE ONE OF THEM!
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hmmm... seems like u only serve to prove your ignorance.Originally posted by HENG@:
but u didn't come out and tell the world that SAF is lying when they said he had collapsed instead of saying he drowned. why? why let the SAF make it sound like it's En Huai's fault for dying initially? why?
look little boy, he did collapse before he passed on. he did not drown in the tub per se. it was only after the autopsy did they realise that he had drowned from the water he ingested into his lungs.
"why let why let the SAF make it sound like it's En Huai's fault for dying initially" - again u make these wild allegations. it was not En huai's fault for dying and the SAF did not make it sound like that. Go ahead, since u made the allegations, prove that "the SAF (made) it sound like it's En Huai's fault for dying initially".
"but u didn't come out and tell the world that SAF is lying when they said he had collapsed instead of saying he drowned"
btw, i do not wave En Huai' death as a banner to propagate my personal agenda, unlike some (go look in the mirror)... -
thats a stupid play on words. yes he collapsed. so collapsing after he had been dunked does not bring to mind drowning? how about the other casualties? u mean to say that u really believed that coincidentally it could have been that several people all suddenly collapsed after the dunking and that drowning couldn't have been the actual reason? how come the medics who arrived to bring him to hospital knew he'd drowned?
some people here started saying that En Huai might have been unfit hence collapsed. I don't see u defending him from those allegations either. How long does an autopsy take? How long b4 MINDEF finally admitted he drowned? When did I start telling people he'd drowned? I told them just about a week after his collapse was reported in the news.MINDEF took that much longer to do so. YOU? what were you doing? oh wait. u would be risking your job if u had to tell the truth. i see. ok. so now telling the world that SAF lied about his death constitutes as propagating my own agenda. So should I go along with the masses and pretend I was fooled to seem otherwise? HUH? look at the 4 men in court. Now u tell me. ARE they actually directly responsible for his death? which of the 4 actually held En Huai's head underwater? YOU tell me, since u say u know so much. But u'll probably say u're not at liberty to say. why? oh because u'll risk your job! -
The general feel for most NSFs are, more often then not, that the SAF is mostly a wayang organisation and "f***ed up". But think about it. If the SAF is just wayang, it must be deserving of an oscar award since nothing extraordinarily big has happened since it's foundation, except being called a small red dot that is.
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sheesh.. igo brush my teeth and this little twerp's edited his post...Originally posted by HENG@:but u didn't come out and tell the world that SAF is lying when they said he had collapsed instead of saying he drowned. why? why let the SAF make it sound like it's En Huai's fault for dying initially? why? because u'd be putting your job on the line if u did that? huh? too much risks involved to tell the truth? well damn you. I took those risks, u didn't, so what if u were at his wake? so what if u had to plough thru the reports and attend court? DID u try to tell the truth when it mattered? DID u even try to tell a half truth when it mattered? Dare u look at the 4 people charged in court now and tell me anyone of them is actually directly responsible for En Huai's death? DARE YOU?
"why? because u'd be putting your job on the line if u did that?" nope, i only told the truth. like i said, u claim to know the truth from behind a clerk's desk and 2nd rate word from a classmate who did not see the whole thing as he testified in court. u calling him a liar then?
"damn you" - heng, this only goes to show your viscious character. dun act the goody-two-shoes. damn yourself....
"I took those risks" - you!? har! i warned you abt sullying en huai's memories. dun claim credit when it's not due to you!
"so what if u were at his wake? so what if u had to plough thru the reports and attend court?" - it showed i cared enuff abt him. what abt u?!
"DID u try to tell the truth when it mattered?" no i did not try... i DID! unlike some (go look int he mirror)
"Dare u look at the 4 people charged in court now and tell me anyone of them is actually directly responsible for En Huai's death? DARE YOU?"
ok, here goes, not all 4 were actually directly responsible. There were 2.
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thanks for proving again that u don't know what I did. there are people here who know and thats what matters. you don't know, so u can say whatever u want, because that is not going to change that fact. btw. u've got some facts wrong. i never had my info from an old classmate who testified in court. u might want to brush up on your credibility a bit.Originally posted by freddy the K:sheesh.. igo brush my teeth and this little twerp's edited his post...
"why? because u'd be putting your job on the line if u did that?" nope, i only told the truth. like i said, u claim to know the truth from behind a clerk's desk and 2nd rate word from a classmate who did not see the whole thing as he testified in court. u calling him a liar then?
"damn you" - heng, this only goes to show your viscious character. dun act the goody-two-shoes. damn yourself....
"I took those risks" - you!? har! i warned you abt sullying en huai's memories. dun claim credit when it's not due to you!
"so what if u were at his wake? so what if u had to plough thru the reports and attend court?" - it showed i cared enuff abt him. what abt u?!
"DID u try to tell the truth when it mattered?" no i did not try... i DID! unlike some (go look int he mirror)
"Dare u look at the 4 people charged in court now and tell me anyone of them is actually directly responsible for En Huai's death? DARE YOU?"
ok, here goes, not all 4 were actually directly responsible. There were 2.
Now, here's my challenge: DARE u stop sullying En huai's name and waving his banner to pursue your personal selfish agenda?
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this is getting way too silly. the cause has to be established before a statement is made. Surely u shld know that! but wait, Heng only makes allegations w/o substantiating wif facts.... nobody said "that drowning couldn't have been the actual reason". r u now saying it? the medics who attended to En huai were not able to ascertain the cause and they testified so in the court proceedings. didn't u know that? oh wait... u didn't bother to attend or were too insignificant to be called.Originally posted by HENG@:thats a stupid play on words. yes he collapsed. so collapsing after he had been dunked does not bring to mind drowning? how about the other casualties? u mean to say that u really believed that coincidentally it could have been that several people all suddenly collapsed after the dunking and that drowning couldn't have been the actual reason? how come the medics who arrived to bring him to hospital knew he'd drowned?
some people here started saying that En Huai might have been unfit hence collapsed. I don't see u defending him from those allegations either. How long does an autopsy take? How long b4 MINDEF finally admitted he drowned? When did I start telling people he'd drowned? I told them just about a week after his collapse was reported in the news.MINDEF took that much longer to do so. YOU? what were you doing? oh wait. u would be risking your job if u had to tell the truth. i see. ok. so now telling the world that SAF lied about his death constitutes as propagating my own agenda. So should I go along with the masses and pretend I was fooled to seem otherwise? HUH? look at the 4 men in court. Now u tell me. ARE they actually directly responsible for his death? which of the 4 actually held En Huai's head underwater? YOU tell me, since u say u know so much. But u'll probably say u're not at liberty to say. why? oh because u'll risk your job!
some of the pple here do not equate to the whole of SAF.
"How long does an autopsy take? How long b4 MINDEF finally admitted he drowned? When did I start telling people he'd drowned? I told them just about a week after his collapse was reported in the news.MINDEF took that much longer to do so."
the autopsy took place w/in 48 hrs due to death from unnatural circumstances. MINDEF announced this within 72 hrs; way before your one week. i.e. MINDEF took that much shorter a time to do so.
"so now telling the world that SAF lied about his death constitutes as propagating my own agenda."- no heng, the SAF did not lie abt his death. but u faking and sullying En huai's death does.
"So should I go along with the masses and pretend I was fooled to seem otherwise?" - u have been a fool all along and a greater one for not realising it.
"But u'll probably say u're not at liberty to say. why? oh because u'll risk your job!" u assume too much... as usual -
"thanks for proving again that u don't know what I did" - i have never alleged that i know what u did. so what is there to prove?Originally posted by HENG@:thanks for proving again that u don't know what I did. there are people here who know and thats what matters. you don't know, so u can say whatever u want, because that is not going to change that fact. btw. u've got some facts wrong. i never had my info from an old classmate who testified in court. u might want to brush up on your credibility a bit.
and let me ask u. are the 2 directly responsible among those 4 men? let's see how honest u can be then.
"u've got some facts wrong. i never had my info from an old classmate who testified in court. u might want to brush up on your credibility a bit."
sorry, i meant schoolmate. and it does not matter what u say now, heng. we have spoken to him and he mentioned you. how else do you think i know u? -
sorry but do u think anything from that sham trial can be trusted? are they saying what they originally said or are they saying what SAF wanted them to say?Originally posted by freddy the K:this is getting way too silly. the cause has to be established before a statement is made. Surely u shld know that! but wait, Heng only makes allegations w/o substantiating wif facts.... nobody said "that drowning couldn't have been the actual reason". r u now saying it? the medics who attended to En huai were not able to ascertain the cause and they testified so in the court proceedings. didn't u know that? oh wait... u didn't bother to attend or were too insignificant to be called.
MINDEF did not release his cause of death within 72 hours.Originally posted by freddy the K:"How long does an autopsy take? How long b4 MINDEF finally admitted he drowned? When did I start telling people he'd drowned? I told them just about a week after his collapse was reported in the news.MINDEF took that much longer to do so."
the autopsy took place w/in 48 hrs due to death from unnatural circumstances. MINDEF announced this within 72 hrs; way before your one week. i.e. MINDEF took that much shorter a time to do so.
yes they did, until they had to come out with the truth, and bless u if u ever find out what a key factor for that was.Originally posted by freddy the K:"so now telling the world that SAF lied about his death constitutes as propagating my own agenda."- no heng, the SAF did not lie abt his death. but u faking and sullying En huai's death does.
ho ho ho. self indulgence, thats what.Originally posted by freddy the K:"So should I go along with the masses and pretend I was fooled to seem otherwise?" - u have been a fool all along and a greater one for not realising it.
then say it. who actually killed him? and have they actually been charged?Originally posted by freddy the K:"But u'll probably say u're not at liberty to say. why? oh because u'll risk your job!" u assume too much... as usual -
sorry mate. i never got my facts from an old schoolmate who testified in court either. i get my facts from several more reliable sources.Originally posted by freddy the K:"thanks for proving again that u don't know what I did" - i have never alleged that i know what u did. so what is there to prove?
"u've got some facts wrong. i never had my info from an old classmate who testified in court. u might want to brush up on your credibility a bit."
sorry, i meant schoolmate. and it does not matter what u say now, heng. we have spoken to him and he mentioned you. how else do you think i know u? -
Freddy, I sense arrogance and loss of composure in you. If you are truely some big wig from SAF giving talks in schools, god help SAF.
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Eh punk ass, don't go walking around like you know Heng's personally.Seldom do I get angry enough to swear online but your arrogant, down-the-line shoveling of your self-professed opinions down the mouth of another fellow human really takes the cake.Originally posted by freddy the K:sheesh.. igo brush my teeth and this little twerp's edited his post...
"why? because u'd be putting your job on the line if u did that?" nope, i only told the truth. like i said, u claim to know the truth from behind a clerk's desk and 2nd rate word from a classmate who did not see the whole thing as he testified in court. u calling him a liar then?
"damn you" - heng, this only goes to show your viscious character. dun act the goody-two-shoes. damn yourself....
"I took those risks" - you!? har! i warned you abt sullying en huai's memories. dun claim credit when it's not due to you!
"so what if u were at his wake? so what if u had to plough thru the reports and attend court?" - it showed i cared enuff abt him. what abt u?!
"DID u try to tell the truth when it mattered?" no i did not try... i DID! unlike some (go look int he mirror)
"Dare u look at the 4 people charged in court now and tell me anyone of them is actually directly responsible for En Huai's death? DARE YOU?"
ok, here goes, not all 4 were actually directly responsible. There were 2.
Now, here's my challenge: DARE u stop sullying En huai's name and waving his banner to pursue your personal selfish agenda?
You waltz into a place, pay scant respect to the climate and context because you think your aged wisdom is the holy of holies and no one shall question your experience.A real man does not need to nitpick the arguments of others to win his case.From the beginning to the end, all I've seen is a tape recorder looping over and over again.
Please do yourself and others a favor and learn what is humility, empathy and pick up some pamphlets regarding the existence of proper contextual nuances in a discussion which started before you butted your tailored ass in. Unless you've had a friend die like Heng did, please don't assume you have the moral nor the social high ground to shoot missiles at others.Rage of a familiar hath its privilege.You dont.Simple enough.
And btw, I attended these NE talks before when i was in school.Some of the speakers could not really give a coherent or genuine answer to questions posed by JC students.Really gives one an idea of the supposed knowledge gap eh?God, I feel sorry for your men.But hey, who's the one flooding MN with sarcasm six feet deep and three feet wide?