Comment on article posted by MunnaBhai_MBBS
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Just as well that thread was closed - it went south right quick. In an effort to preserve some minimal level of discourse on the forum, I'd just like to throw my two cents' worth in.
It is an interesting article, but it is ultimately far from conclusive. I am only going to deal with the initial post - the arguments in subsequent posts only taint the analysis.
Amongst the issues I have with the way the article was written:
1) A lot of statements are introduced which are phrased as a matter of fact. However, sources of such information are reported as "lost" or "unknown". Without sources that can be cited and independently examined, the assertions cannot be taken as the basis of any conclusions, and that pretty much eliminates about a quarter of the article.
2) With ancient scripts, the often poetic style of writing allows for a wide degree of artistic licence, both in the writing and interpretation. This, of course, is not limited to Indian scripts; other writings such as the Bible are subject to misinterpretation. A classic case would be Revelations, in which the description of giant dragonflies with the heads of men has been tenuously extrapolated to be a description of a helicopter. Given that the data from the ancient sanskrit documents has not been known to have been translated into any current applications, we may conclude that the documents are either too vague, incomplete or just plain wrong. That eliminates most of the rest of the article.
3) Most of the article deals with reporting only the "what"; the "why" and "how" are at best only lightly touched upon, and when they are, vague concepts such as "the unknown power of the ego existing in man's physiological makeup" are used. Lacking the presence of factual proof, at least some logical thread incorporating, at the very liberally least, "what" and "how" is required if some logical integrity is to be maintained in the article. Unfortunately, this requirement has not been met either.
Given the use of the word "proof" in the title, MunnaBhai, the burden of proof rests upon you. This article in itself may be enough to get a discussion started, but is far from conclusive enough for you to expect to convince anyone of anything.
At the very least, if you're hoping to convince anyone of your assertions, some factual evidence must be presented. For example, are there any research articles reporting the radiation levels found in Mohenjodaro? Given that the radiation from nuclear weapons at Hiroshima and Nagasaki have already subsided substantially, there must be a fair amount of radiaactive material left in Mohenjodaro - has such material been collected and studied? Of course, the data needs to come from an institution which allows all of its research to be verified by an independent body.
Bottom line is, I'd love to believe you, and presented with the right materials, I actually might. -
Its going to be very interesting to see if he replies to your post.Originally posted by Gedanken:Bottom line is, I'd love to believe you, and presented with the right materials, I actually might.
But he'll probably assume that you're out to have a girlie match with him & might just do so.
Hopefully, he reads your post with a clear & cool mind instead of being defensive.
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Bhai simi sek?
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I'm Looking 4 Trouble, where are you?
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If war is like what Bhai said, then aeroplanes would be running on water instead of oil.
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yup, i do agree with ged
Another interesting point to note, is that the Indian civilisation, or for that matter, any other civilisation has lots of achievements themselves.
But the way our munnabhai spam the whole forums with 'india has the most beautiful women in the world' or 'india is the pioneer of warfare' thingy, its as if he is trying to make sure everyone acknowledge india's greatness, and not discussing these questionable articles he has on hand... -
How do you define "Beauty"??Originally posted by laurence82:yup, i do agree with ged
Another interesting point to note, is that the Indian civilisation, or for that matter, any other civilisation has lots of achievements themselves.
But the way our munnabhai spam the whole forums with 'india has the most beautiful women in the world' or 'india is the pioneer of warfare' thingy, its as if he is trying to make sure everyone acknowledge india's greatness, and not discussing these questionable articles he has on hand...
My concept of beauty is not Aishwarya rai..to me she's just average.. -
yeap, my concept of beauty is also not aishwarya rai, but i do agree she is not ugly..u'll get my gist...Originally posted by WarrenBuffett:How do you define "Beauty"??
My concept of beauty is not Aishwarya rai..to me she's just average..
but trouble is, someone try to put it as a matter of fact that because she got crowned miss universe or something by only a select group of people, that she qualifies as a beauty in everyone eyes...sighz... -
wah lau eh you guys dun make my life so tough leh, close two and another 2 comes out.
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why...u sound a lot like ef ai?Originally posted by CenturionMBT:wah lau eh you guys dun make my life so tough leh, close two and another 2 comes out.
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He's a clone of the program called FireIce.
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btw, what ged and others posted and discussed is allright what..may i noe whats wrong with it?
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The fine point: Bhai is my friend. He's trouble.
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right now it is alright lahOriginally posted by laurence82:btw, what ged and others posted and discussed is allright what..may i noe whats wrong with it?
but just give it a few more hours you know what will happen lah.
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If Indians are good, they won't lose to Sir Arthur Wellesley.
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from what i see, and like ef ai always say and i quote, "why cant discuss religious and racial issues as long as we can discuss it maturely"Originally posted by CenturionMBT:right now it is alright lah
but just give it a few more hours you know what will happen lah.
anyway, just refrain from posting such stuff. Quite sensitive.
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I guess this line was what we've been trying to say to him ever since the start of the thread...Originally posted by Gedanken:Bottom line is, I'd love to believe you, and presented with the right materials, I actually might.
Well, until our dear somebody comes in, that is...Originally posted by laurence82:from what i see, and like ef ai always say and i quote, "why cant discuss religious and racial issues as long as we can discuss it maturely"
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So we're to ban hmmm some breadpeet?
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Or ban some eighty-two guy?
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we must be sensititve to the indian ISD agent who is operating in singapore..Originally posted by CenturionMBT:right now it is alright lah
but just give it a few more hours you know what will happen lah.
anyway, just refrain from posting such stuff. Quite sensitive.
likes to praise his own country...
i noticed that his posting increased particularly after the "SU-30 supposedly
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oie dun say i horrible hor. But i will let this thread go on for a while. But if ani flame wars start i will have to close it.
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On paper, war is fought by technology. In war, it is fought by human and technology. If Indian technology is good, then it's the people spoiling their wars. If Indians are not spoiling their own wars, then it's their technology that is not good. Either way, they lost to Sir Arthur Wellesley. And therefore, Indian aren't as good as they claimed, or at least, they aren't good all the times. I'm on the mark - Indian, warfare. I'm just stating example.
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After his topic kanna closed, he resorted to this instead...
Why? After being cornered in ur "India has one of the best Intelligence" and "Proof of Ancient India being pioneers of warfare(details inside)" thread now come and attack NCC liaoz huh??Originally posted by MunnaBhai_MBBS:NCC are bunch of Poosies!@#
I see that he is totally avoiding the Military Nuts forum as well...For I still see him posting..
So, where's the "details inside"? We are all waiting...
P.S. Me was never in NCC, just that I really can't stand that demented loser anymore...From Bollywood Beng to MBBS.. -
If he's truly an Indian, he disgraced them. If he's not then he's just another wannabe.
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*sigh* Ah well, I confirmed my suspicions. Apart from the occasional comment by guys like laurence82 and Kaczynski, the other posts here have nothing to do with the subject matter. It looks like the way the locked thread went can be attributed to both sides. Centurion, feel free to lock this thread - it's served its purpose.
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It'll take time Ged. I suspect he's re-reading the Ramayana for "evidence".
All 220,000 lines of it.