Boeing says RSAF will follow Korea
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Initially I tot so too, but the problem is F-15K is still not delivered to SKorea yet, for F-15C or E , I think we have seen enough , even in SG.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Perhaps this is what is needed to push our missile R&D capability, for that is one area we have not fully developed yet.Anyway, I still believe that we will go for commonality and not try and introduce a spanner into the works , after all, it'll be an interim NGF.And less public hype might be better, after all, we have also seen more F-15s flying in formation with our Vipers than any other candidate.Ruling out the issue of normal training is very possible, when you cast your mind back to the French Defence Minister's visit to Singapore and how she urged us to get the Rafale.In diplo-speak, urge is a very strong word, and it's close to desperation.Add in the rumours/news leak of RSAF having a training detachment in Korea and the picture becomes quite clear all of a suden. -
It has started already for the testingOriginally posted by gary1910:Initially I tot so too, but the problem is F-15K is still not delivered to SKorea yet, for F-15C or E , I think we have seen enough , even in SG. -
The Korean Air Show was held around the same time as the announcement in the papers about Zoe Tay's birth.At the same time, Boeing put out a news release saying that the first F-15K has been delivered in time for the Air Show, if I recall correctly.
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And said the hubby is at Sth KoreaOriginally posted by LazerLordz:The Korean Air Show was held around the same time as the announcement in the papers about Zoe Tay's birth.At the same time, Boeing put out a news release saying that the first F-15K has been delivered in time for the Air Show, if I recall correctly. -
I dunno much about aircraft etc. But if history is anything to go by, the people who build more capable/famous aircraft than anyone else are the Americans, the Russians, Germans, Britain and Japan.
Erm... don't know about the French.
Yes, the Mirage was very famous but what else?
I kinda like the Eurotyphoon because its predecessor the Tornado was a pretty awesome aircraft.
And I like the F-15 because it's a proven aircraft. But then it has always been used against rather weak enemy airforces. Weak in terms of pilot skill, quality of equipment etc.
I often wonder why we are not considering Russian aircrafts with western avionics and weaponry. They are pretty awesome aircrafts too. -
Well, based on this report, the first F-15K just flew in US just a few days ago, so no way there is any F-15K in SK.Originally posted by LazerLordz:The Korean Air Show was held around the same time as the announcement in the papers about Zoe Tay's birth.At the same time, Boeing put out a news release saying that the first F-15K has been delivered in time for the Air Show, if I recall correctly.
BoeingÂ’s Newest Fighter Aircraft Makes First Flight
ST. LOUIS, Mar. 3, 2005 – The Boeing [NYSE: BA] Company's reputation for delivering the most lethal fighter aircraft to militaries around the world continued today when their newest fighter aircraft, the F-15K Strike Eagle, made its first flight in St. Louis................
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q1/nr_050303n.html -
Ok.I stand corrected.
But I think there's something going on here. -
Frankly I think that Zoe Tay and initiated a security leak..... she can plainly say that her husband is "overseas" without going into details.
I find it strange that the Frenchie minister make a desperate pitch... they must have known that the Rafale bid is in trouble....
The thing about the Raf and the EF is that other then the founding partners, there is no record of successful sale or service elsewhere......
The F15 is "proven" and I have afeeling they will go for the F15. mainly because it would represent the most risk free solution for the RSAF. It is a proven platform.... nothing revolutionary about it but it is proven.
Look at the naval heli competition, we went for the S-70 which is a proven platform. -
Was it Zoe Tay or the media.I think its the latter and the signs are getting clearer.The French seldom send their Defence Minister out on a salesgirl job, not to forget its a commercial sale , not government to government.The Rafale was on the market for so long but failed to get a single buyer.Originally posted by spencer99:Frankly I think that Zoe Tay and initiated a security leak..... she can plainly say that her husband is "overseas" without going into details.
I find it strange that the Frenchie minister make a desperate pitch... they must have known that the Rafale bid is in trouble....
The thing about the Raf and the EF is that other then the founding partners, there is no record of successful sale or service elsewhere......
The F15 is "proven" and I have afeeling they will go for the F15. mainly because it would represent the most risk free solution for the RSAF. It is a proven platform.... nothing revolutionary about it but it is proven.
Look at the naval heli competition, we went for the S-70 which is a proven platform.
We gave Airbus our commercial plane market, I think Boeing will get our military business. -
Rafale all the way lah
frenchy not interested to play god in this region, not interested to see an equal balance of power among regional players, as long as we can pay they will sell whatever it is we want to buy, straight cut and dried unlike the yanks want to sell us anything need 10 moral reason to do so. Get lost lah! -
F-15 may be so frequently pushed as it is combat aircraft with a proven track record.However,foreign sales of the F15 is also bolstered by the US Military itself.I mean,look at Israel,simple things like their small arms the Galil,Tar-21,Magev etc. all do not have a market of their own even in their own country as the US is actively contributing military aid which can only be used to purchase American equipment to Israel,thus explaining why they have so much American equipment.Also,it must be realised that there can be political advantages if we buy the F-15,although its way past its era.
And we must also note Singapore's position in ASEAN,we have one of the most advance and capable airforce in the region.And I belief that no Air Force in the region possess a major piece of equipment like the F15 which is deemed as an Air-Superiority Fighter.By getting it,we may accidentally trigger an arms race which is not exactly healthy...although I really wonder what type of aircraft countries like Indonesia can get.So perhaps it would affect our Northern friends,making them go into a fighter buying frenzy as well.In recent years especially,they have been responding well to purchase of Russian aviation technology like the SU-30 etc...
Thus its perhaps more wise for the RSAF to consider the Rafale and Typhoon.Although both are relatively untested,its new technology compared with the F15. -
SpecOps,
Unfortunately, there is already have an arms race. Our northern neighbour perhaps has more reasons to do so due to proximity with more states and having more contentious border areas, the latest being the seas off Sabah.
Hence, the doctrine of staying just one step ahead of potential adversaries in order to avoid an arms race is no longer valid. The arms race is here to stay and we have no choice but to ensure our defence forces are the best we can afford. -
If we get the Rafale or Typhoon, IMHO we are selling ourselves short because we will be pitting a multi-role fighter against a air superiority intereceptor like the Sukhoi.That is like taking one step forward in terms of new technology but two steps back in capability.The F-15 is more versatile and in any case, has a better reign in the air and vertical climbs than its two competitors.Originally posted by SpecOps87:F-15 may be so frequently pushed as it is combat aircraft with a proven track record.However,foreign sales of the F15 is also bolstered by the US Military itself.I mean,look at Israel,simple things like their small arms the Galil,Tar-21,Magev etc. all do not have a market of their own even in their own country as the US is actively contributing military aid which can only be used to purchase American equipment to Israel,thus explaining why they have so much American equipment.Also,it must be realised that there can be political advantages if we buy the F-15,although its way past its era.
And we must also note Singapore's position in ASEAN,we have one of the most advance and capable airforce in the region.And I belief that no Air Force in the region possess a major piece of equipment like the F15 which is deemed as an Air-Superiority Fighter.By getting it,we may accidentally trigger an arms race which is not exactly healthy...although I really wonder what type of aircraft countries like Indonesia can get.So perhaps it would affect our Northern friends,making them go into a fighter buying frenzy as well.In recent years especially,they have been responding well to purchase of Russian aviation technology like the SU-30 etc...
Thus its perhaps more wise for the RSAF to consider the Rafale and Typhoon.Although both are relatively untested,its new technology compared with the F15. -
Nope... SIA main fleet is BoeingOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Was it Zoe Tay or the media.I think its the latter and the signs are getting clearer.The French seldom send their Defence Minister out on a salesgirl job, not to forget its a commercial sale , not government to government.The Rafale was on the market for so long but failed to get a single buyer.
We gave Airbus our commercial plane market, I think Boeing will get our military business. -
Well, French made technology inflicted some pretty deep scars on the British Task Force in the South Atlantic, 1982...Originally posted by tvdog:Erm... don't know about the French.
Yes, the Mirage was very famous but what else?
I kinda like the Eurotyphoon because its predecessor the Tornado was a pretty awesome aircraft.
CIWS system manufacturers had a massive sales boost after those experiences..
Panavia Tornado? i knew someone who flew them in Desert Storm..
Their other nickname is the 'Flying Coffin'...
The British also fielded air interceptor versions, [F.3 etc], which were termed as [Very..] heavy weight interceptor fighters.. thankfully theyve never had to prove themselves in combat and I think in these terms, the incoming EuroTyphoon is a bit of a blessing [if a bit too little too late..] -
High RCS would enable an enemy aircraft with lower RCS and equivalent radar to achieve a first look (and probably first shoot) advantage over a higher RCS aircraft, hence it is a major factor in BVR engagementsOriginally posted by LazerLordz:High RCS but that is not the only factor in an air war.Tactics and network warfare and BVR engagement are other factors which favor us.RAM paint cna help to alleviate.We are not fighting Russia or China, and the F-15T Strike Eagle is already an offensive weapon in this region.Our strength is our logistics and maintenance quality. -
Tornado as a "Flying Coffin" is probably the opinion of the very few.Originally posted by zoik:Well, French made technology inflicted some pretty deep scars on the British Task Force in the South Atlantic, 1982...
CIWS system manufacturers had a massive sales boost after those experiences..
Panavia Tornado? i knew someone who flew them in Desert Storm..
Their other nickname is the 'Flying Coffin'...
Or maybe it was the way they were used in low level bombing where they were vulnerable to ground fire. This is a unglamorous and difficult job for ANY aircraft to perform. That the Tornado preformed it well speaks volumes. Shooting down low-quality enemy aircraft flown by badly-trained pilots is surely easier.
Nearly every report spoke well of the Tornado. -
The preferred strategy is presumably to avoid air engagement when destroying the opposing assets. Failing that, if engagement is unavoidable, then preference is to do so at bvr with C4ISR providing superior knowledge of battle space. In both cases, low RCS gives an important edge.
Discussion about RCS values is rather speculative since these are highly classified and even disguised during exercises. RCS technologies are classified and may not even be exported outside the country of origin.
There is a lot of guesswork regarding the values of RCS for the 3 short-listed contenders. From what I gather elsewhere, the RCS of the Rafale and the EFA may be order of magnitude less than that of the F15. -
This is hardly surprising... since the F15 is a 1970s figther where stealth and RCS is not a factor.Originally posted by suntze:The preferred strategy is presumably to avoid air engagement when destroying the opposing assets. Failing that, if engagement is unavoidable, then preference is to do so at bvr with C4ISR providing superior knowledge of battle space. In both cases, low RCS gives an important edge.
Discussion about RCS values is rather speculative since these are highly classified and even disguised during exercises. RCS technologies are classified and may not even be exported outside the country of origin.
There is a lot of guesswork regarding the values of RCS for the 3 short-listed contenders. From what I gather elsewhere, the RCS of the Rafale and the EFA may be order of magnitude less than that of the F15. -
If you cannot go down to noise floor.......bring the noise floor to you!
I think the Israelis is playing the latter with their ECM technology. Then there are decoys as well...... -
No point spending too much on a system that is not true stealth.Play with EW.After all, we are supposed to be front-runners in this field.Originally posted by Warren Buffet:If you cannot go down to noise floor.......bring the noise floor to you!
I think the Israelis is playing the latter with their ECM technology. Then there are decoys as well...... -
Just a side note;Originally posted by zoik:Their other nickname is the 'Flying Coffin'...
The term flying coffin has become a generic term more than a nickname.
It's been used to describe everything from World War II Brewster Buffalos to Indian Air Force MiG-21s to basically everything else that somehow earns the unlucky reputation of being a flying death trap...
Jus saying... -
anyway i was tinking... y do we really nid to get a new fighter? and from e topic... seems like supporters for e eagle is overwhelming....
hw abt e f22 then... definitely can last us a long way... 
or hw abt getting sum power bombers? f117? haha... -
i dont think there is an overwhelming number of f15 supporters...Originally posted by barkebark:anyway i was tinking... y do we really nid to get a new fighter? and from e topic... seems like supporters for e eagle is overwhelming.... hw abt e f22 then... definitely can last us a long way...
or hw abt getting sum power bombers? f117? haha...
the yanks wont sell their f22s......
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yah...what about the F-23? the competitor to F-22 but lost...still a good plane though...